Do You Think Madge Answered my Question?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

What makes you think a Guide would have knowledge of something like this~~~a future corporate decision to be made by upper level management? At best he would have a guess, unless the decision has already been made and disseminated, in which case cardholders would also know.

Management certainly would not pass down a memo saying point values are not going to change, because that is not a change and would not require notification of anyone.

Its too bad that Bootleg isn't around anymore. He would have given a straight answer instead of the corporate spin.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

Madge's answers are not believable on several asked questions

Madge did answer my question about Snap Travel. But, I just don't understand how RCI expects us to believe that Snap Travel could be an Outside Vendor.

Walt

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18760

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

Bootleg isn't the full answer either

Bootleg disappeared some weeks ago from the three forums on which he was active. His email account is no longer active. Hopefully, he is OK and will come back at some point, but there is some concern that RCI may have found him out. Maybe, the heat is really on with the two class action lawsuits, and he is just laying low for the time being.

Madge's answers are too often corporate spin and doubletalk. Bootleg has been a straight shooter. While there are some benefits to Madge's participation, they are no where near those of the candid info provided by Bootleg.

While Madge certainly passes along the corporate line - what else would you expect? - your absolute faith in Bootleg is misplaced. While a line worker certainly is privy to some inside information and even able to do some research (severely limited by the fact that most likely any activity or queries are logged and reviewed for "out of ordinary" requests by RCI) there is no way they would have verifiable facts of upper level decisions he seemed to offer and you embraced without challenge. The rumor mill at any company tends to lean toward the negative and mere facts often can't change that. Bootleg was a good resource and another voice to place in the mix but far from the absolute authority on RCI that he was often held out to be. It is too bad we seem to have lost even that limited insight to the inner workings at RCI. See the logging comment above for the likely reason he was either caught or warned to be careful.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

Where is Craig now? Craig gave us some good straight answers and some helpful advice in dealing with II.

You can look at my post # 8 as I had answered, But now there is another answer to your question. Look at the thread below.


http://www.timeshareforums.com/showthread.php?t=10488

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

So did anyone ever find out who on TUG may have turned over information to try and bust bootleg????

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

So did anyone ever find out who on TUG may have turned over information to try and bust bootleg????

uh, WHAT?!?! Is this what "we" think happened??!?!!

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

Regarding the subject matter on points for the RCI card.....is it any surprise that any company can change 'point' values willy nilly any time they damn well please for whatever reason or justification? Hilton did it a few years ago too....That is why I am not so impressed by timeshare points or any other points program....values are easily changed.

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

Doesn't mean they WILL change them. Bluegreen doesn't.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

So did anyone ever find out who on TUG may have turned over information to try and bust bootleg????

First off Rci has been after Bootleg for years but could never find out who he was.
2nd We do not know what has happened to him. Maybe they caught up to him maybe they did not, we are not sure.
3rd no one had any other information that could have been turned over to Rci. The information that boot posted was an untracable email address that he used.

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

How about ip address????? Just look at our signature map.

First off Rci has been after Bootleg for years but could never find out who he was.
2nd We do not know what has happened to him. Maybe they caught up to him maybe they did not, we are not sure.
3rd no one had any other information that could have been turned over to Rci. The information that boot posted was an untracable email address that he used.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

How about ip address????? Just look at our signature map.

That would not have given them a home address and besides, Rci could not obtain his iP address unless they got it from one of the 3 sites. I know for a act that we did not give it to them nor did Timesharetalk as I am a moderator there as well.

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

Having the ip address...as I understand it....can narrow down many things and with cross referencing other data can identify where someone is posting from...and it is not that hard to do it.

Remember when Herb got busted for posting from the same ip on TUG but using different names?

There have always been self appointed RCI police over on tug....and when someone may have done something someone deemed outside the lines by the another it has been reported to RCI and some person(s) suffered consequences....deserved or not can be debated and I am not trying to start that debate....just looking at the history of what has happened and would not be surprised if it has continued to repeat itself.

That would not have given them a home address and besides, Rci could not obtain his iP address unless they got it from one of the 3 sites. I know for a act that we did not give it to them nor did Timesharetalk as I am a moderator there as well.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

The only people that have his IP are the admins and Super moderators. I am not sure if a normal moderator has access to the ip address.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

From what I've been told the Dave and Mary switch has a lot to do with geography, working in the same location that one's family is living.

This is from FF

"Fairfield Resorts is excited to welcome Dave Pontius as Chief Customer Officer, a new position reporting to Franz Hanning, focused on creating an exceptional service experience for owners across every point of interaction.

In addition, Dave also serves as Executive Vice President, Hospitality Services & Strategic Planning, responsible for every facet of the Hospitality Division, including Fairfield and Trendwest Resort Management, Inventory Operations, Owner Services, and Hospitality Strategy. This position was held by Mary Mahoney, who recently accepted a new challenge as President and Chief Executive Officer of RCI North America. "

I believe FF is very afraid of employee speak on public forum. Because they don't like people think it is corp policy. Basically, Dave and Mary switch position. If that is what happen, we may need really treasure Madge, since she may stop soon.

Jya-Ning

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I also know for a fact that RCI did not/does not like employees doing what Bootleg is/was doing. My source has talked about it more than once. His complaint was that Bootleg is seen as far more authoritative than his position would dictate. Because Bootleg could only speculate on things he did not really know as a Guide, it was felt that his posting is/was misleading.

My source first mentioned it regarding the 1-in-4 rule, when my source first came to me, when Bootleg suggested that if a person had not been detected early on, then they were home free. Of course, that is not accurate. At that time my source said,

"Bootleg is wrong with the ¼ year rule it is not supported technologically. It is supported via various warning signals and prompts for the counselors to look for a violation and then for the resort to catch. Unfortunately most resorts don’t update their reservations until weeks prior to check-in which can cause them to notice violations at the last minute."

and,

"Bootleg is fine but, he is like the boy who knows too much and does not know what to do with it.... He explains why trading power changes based on a few things that he can see. I have been with the company 14 years and the things that tuggers bring up is beyond what he and I can see...."

Bootleg somehow deciphered who I am and made a comment on TUG indicating that he had been into my file at RCI. Shortly after that I received an email from RCI saying,

"We are at a loss as to what acceptable response we can give to you. We
have absolutely no idea who this individual is, nor do we have the
ability to access "Tugs" database to determine the individual's name.
Obviously, RCI does not condone, nor accept, Vacation Guides accessing
members accounts for any other reason than to assist members with their
vacations or to provide account information to a registered member upon
request. To access members accounts for any other reason would be
considered a Systems Integrity Issue.

Please be assured we take this situation seriously and if we are able to
determine who "Bootlegger" is, appropriate actions will be taken. If
"Bootlegger" is an RCI employee, it is likely he/she has a misguided
desire to support RCI and clarify our position on policies. Regardless,
this is still unacceptable. "Madge" is the only staff member, with the
exception of executive management, authorized by executive management to
speak on RCI's behalf on the Tug website."

Not long after that, my Inside Guy made a comment that he didn't really know who I am, but I knew who he was. His bride wanted to know who he was spending time on the computer with!

I told him I assumed he knew who I was from my email address, that he could identify me the same way Bootleg had, and he said he could not identify me from that.

Also not long after that, I was accused (Over Yonder) of turning Bootleg into RCI, so the reference here may be a recurrence of that long-ago accusation. Of course that was a crock, since I didn't have any more idea who Bootleg is than anyone else and certainly don't have the ability to identify him, but at that time the deck was stacked against me Over Yonder.

Bootleg is a Guide who has become an Urban Legend, a cult hero, for doing what all the rest us do, just because of who he works for. There are some things that it is nice to have him comment on and some things that are beyond his scope. It would be helpful if he would say if he knows what he says is a fact or if he is just guessing.