II goes Points

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

So who has any information on what exactly II is doing with Points? Is it a change over to expose trade values similar to RCI Points lite or a full RCI Points type conversion? I hear it has already been shown or even activated at a couple large II resorts - anyone heard what it's about & how they are implementing? I knew they had to make the switch but it has taken longer than I thought.

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth!

[ArtsieAng Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close ArtsieAng]

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth!

Interesting Emmy, Thanks for the link!.....I don't recall II advertising this offer as they have the others. Hmmmm. Maybe I'll call them, and see what they say about the program.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

Here it is straight from the horse's mouth!

Thank you. I knew the source was so good that it had to exist but I hadn't heard a peep about it for well over a year. It was a surprise to hear it had been rolled out! It obviously is a buy-in, RCI Points type membership and that only makes sense as they want to generate income as well as new members. I would say it's a true option to DRI/Marriott, etc that use II with their point systems as having more potential resorts in the system is attractive. Offsetting that - if this is how it works - is the exchange fee due for every use vs the free transactions most mini-systems offer. That plus the cost to buy in may determine the real value vs the existing mini's. Now we need numbers for membership & ongoing fees. But it is the new direction of II thus completing the change over to points by all the major players. It had to happen.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

Interesting Emmy, Thanks for the link!.....I don't recall II advertising this offer as they have the others. Hmmmm. Maybe I'll call them, and see what they say about the program.

Notice where the information is posted - the DEVELOPER pages. As usual the primary focus of II is always the developer with the mere members usually an afterthought along for the ride.

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

As usual the primary focus of II is always the developer with the mere members usually an afterthought along for the ride.

Of course. After all, the developers are the true customers for the two majors. They control the affiliation decisions of the vast majority of their owner networks---more so now with the growth of trust/club style memberships.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

Notice where the information is posted - the DEVELOPER pages. As usual the primary focus of II is always the developer with the mere members usually an afterthought along for the ride.

http:// www. resortdeveloper. com/rd/ club_interval_gold.jsp

I was just coming to post this...interesting.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

Notice where the information is posted - the DEVELOPER pages. As usual the primary focus of II is always the developer with the mere members usually an afterthought along for the ride.

You mean like with RCI? It's really the same except that Interval is a little late to the party.

Since I anticipate this will be sold through the developers, allowing developers to take a profit by pricing it above what Interval will charge developers (ala RCI) it makes sense for Interval to market the concept to developers first.

Overall I'm not thrilled about this prospect but, that's only because RCI screwed their members over so badly when they originally cut this new road. Perhaps Interval will do a better job. I'm not anticipating they will but, they will have the opportunity.

At this point, I'm feeling pretty good about the mini-systems we're in. I'm anticipating making the two ownerships we have that are not in mini-systems personal use only. The one resort that is RCI affiliated is already out of RCI's system as we elected not to renew that membership a few years ago. This change could very well make the decision to drop our personal account with Interval much easier. We'd been leaning that way anyway. This is just one more reason not to pay them additional fee's in the future.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

Of course. After all, the developers are the true customers for the two majors. They control the affiliation decisions of the vast majority of their owner networks---more so now with the growth of trust/club style memberships.

Both Interval and RCI manage much of the mini-systems under contract with the developer. It's just that many owners never realise it because it's all in the back room. It's much easier for a developer to use a turn key operation with all the parts in place rather than develop their own from scratch. I guess it comes as a shock to many when they realize just how involved both RCI and Interval are with all aspects of their ownership and/or membership. For the most part, all are joined at the hip.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

You mean like with RCI? It's really the same except that Interval is a little late to the party.

RCI hasn't been as blatant in it's favoritism to developers as II. The many priorities and back room deals to get affiliations that II uses is yet another roadblock to good trades the paying members expect. It is so bad with II that it makes no sense to be a PAYING member when you get far more from a free, corporate membership through a developer/mini-system. RCI has never been that anti-member / pro developer.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

RCI hasn't been as blatant in it's favoritism to developers as II. The many priorities and back room deals to get affiliations that II uses is yet another roadblock to good trades the paying members expect. It is so bad with II that it makes no sense to be a PAYING member when you get far more from a free, corporate membership through a developer/mini-system. RCI has never been that anti-member / pro developer.

Wow, you're kidding right? Neither is really any better than the other. It's just that some are more adept at using one over the other.

In my case, I'm much better at getting value from Interval than RCI. So much so that we let our RCI membership go a few years back and, I refuse to buy a resort that is affilated with RCI. I bet I can list just as many "good" trades through I.I. as you can through RCI. Want to give it a shot?

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

Wow, you're kidding right? Neither is really any better than the other. It's just that some are more adept at using one over the other.

In my case, I'm much better at getting value from Interval than RCI. So much so that we let our RCI membership go a few years back and, I refuse to buy a resort that is affilated with RCI. I bet I can list just as many "good" trades through I.I. as you can through RCI. Want to give it a shot?

I would but no longer consider trades from either group to be a value. The fees involved have become so excessive that I rent, use another exchange co's like SFX or directly deal with owners. We dropped our paid II membership over 5 years ago & only wish we'd dropped it sooner to save $$! We haven't paid for RCI weeks since 1995 when we joined the Wyndham system. We sold that and our RCI Points last year so we no longer have any direct memberships with RCI/II - only the DRI/II corporate account (which has been very good at getting trades in II unlike our paid membership that got us zip in over a decade). If you are using mostly DRI/II then you're not getting the real II experience but the vastly better II CORPORATE account priority. Exactly what I was referring to that RCI doesn't do. Paying to be an II member is money thrown away IMO & experience.

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

RCI hasn't been as blatant in it's favoritism to developers as II. The many priorities and back room deals to get affiliations that II uses is yet another roadblock to good trades the paying members expect.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Having dealt with both of them, it does not seem to me that the two are appreciably different in the lengths to which they will go to satisfy a developer of sufficient importance. There might have been once upon a time, but certainly not now.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

I would but no longer consider trades from either group to be a value. The fees involved have become so excessive that I rent, use another exchange co's like SFX or directly deal with owners. We dropped our paid II membership over 5 years ago & only wish we'd dropped it sooner to save $$! We haven't paid for RCI weeks since 1995 when we joined the Wyndham system. We sold that and our RCI Points last year so we no longer have any direct memberships with RCI/II - only the DRI/II corporate account (which has been very good at getting trades in II unlike our paid membership that got us zip in over a decade). If you are using mostly DRI/II then you're not getting the real II experience but the vastly better II CORPORATE account priority. Exactly what I was referring to that RCI doesn't do. Paying to be an II member is money thrown away IMO & experience.

I haven't used DRI/II corporate membership for any exchanges. As to the "real" I.I. experience, our DRI deeded weeks are still listed with our I.I. presonal account, which has allowed me to do real time comparisons between the personal and corporate account. I have found NO difference between the exchange power of the two.

Soon, we'll be like you without a personal account at either RCI or Interval. The mini-systems have become easier to manage and provide us with adaquate variety and quality. However, every mini-system we own, Marriott, Hilton and DRI are all managed by either Interaval or RCI. So one is never completely free from either. RCI and Interval are both alike in that they market themselves to developers, not to individual members.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

New player may be in the wings

Soon, we'll be like you without a personal account at either RCI or Interval. The mini-systems have become easier to manage and provide us with adaquate variety and quality. However, every mini-system we own, Marriott, Hilton and DRI are all managed by either Interaval or RCI. So one is never completely free from either. RCI and Interval are both alike in that they market themselves to developers, not to individual members.

True. But keep an eye open as very soon there will be (barring any unexpected glitches) a NEW player in exchanges that may actually change the landscape for the better. No membership fees, any resort/owner can join (as I understand it it will be owner voluntary similar to SFX/TPI not resort affiliation required unlike II/RCI) and very reasonable fees. I hear it's due by year end, so it's not that far away. As I get more I'll post it but, so far, it sounds very promising and the first true general, independent exchange option that has come around for a long time. Redweek tried and failed. I hope this one does better as we can use a good system that doesn't play favorites and values things reasonably. (And no, I have no financial attachment / interest of any kind in the new system. Just passing on what I've heard).

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

Since I prefer to back up my sentiment concerning Interval not being a bad exchange company and, certainly no worse than RCI, here's a list of the exchanges we've made over the years. One can make up their own mind as to the value of these exchanges.

I have eliminated the Marriott to Marriott exchanges as they could be viewed as mini-system exchanges since there has always been a Marriott preference with Interval. That leaves only the direct exchanges that can not be tied to a corporate account. The exchanges of DRI's Polo Towers are before joining THE Club and having access to DRI's corporate account. Make of it what you will but, for my money, RCI and Interval have very few differences in quality to their members. It simply comes down to preference.

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Grand Regency Resort at Thousand Hills
GTO
Unit: G211E (1 bedroom)
Week: 22 Sat, June 04, 2011
Sat, June 11, 2011
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Grand Lodge on Peak 7 • GP7
Unit: 2BEDA (2 bedrooms)
*Dates removed as this is a future exchange. I wasn't willing to list dates we would not be home.

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Grand Regency Resort at Thousand Hills
GTO
Unit: G211E (1 bedroom)
Week: 22 Sat, May 29, 2010
Sat, June 05, 2010
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Ridge Tahoe • RGT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 30 Sat, July 24, 2010
Sat, July 31, 2010


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Grand Regency Resort at Thousand Hills
GTO
Unit: G113B (1 bedroom)
Week: 28 Sat, July 11, 2009
Sat, July 18, 2009
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Willow Ridge Lodge • MHB
Unit: DTOGV (Efficiency)
Week: 49 Thu, December 04, 2008
Thu, December 11, 2008



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Grand Regency Resort at Thousand Hills
GTO
Unit: G221E (1 bedroom)
Week: 51 Sat, December 20, 2008
Sat, December 27, 2008
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Willow Ridge Lodge • MHB
Unit: DTOVI (2 bedrooms)
Week: 49 Thu, December 04, 2008
Thu, December 11, 2008



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The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 40 Fri, October 05, 2007
Fri, October 12, 2007
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Ocean Pointe • MPB
Unit: THMV (2 bedrooms)
Week: 44 Sat, November 01, 2008
Sat, November 08, 2008


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Grand Regency Resort at Thousand Hills
GTO
Unit: G131B (1 bedroom)
Week: 28 Sat, July 14, 2007
Sat, July 21, 2007
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Suites at Fall Creek • SPF
Unit: UUU2 (2 bedrooms)
Week: 15 Fri, April 11, 2008
Fri, April 18, 2008



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The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 36 Sun, September 09, 2007
Sun, September 16, 2007
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Westin Kierland Villas • WKV
Unit: 2102 (1 bedroom)
Week: 4 Sat, January 26, 2008
Sat, February 02, 2008



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Marriott's Ocean Pointe
MPB
Unit: THGV (Efficiency)
Week: 20 Sat, May 19, 2007
Sat, May 26, 2007
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Palace View South • PVO
Unit: 2BEDB (2 bedrooms)
Week: 45 Sat, November 10, 2007
Sat, November 17, 2007


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Accommodation Certificate

Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Cypress Pointe Grande Villas • CYX
Unit: UUU2+ (2 bedrooms)
Week: 42 Sat, October 20, 2007
Sat, October 27, 2007


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Accommodation Certificate

Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Lagonita Lodge • LAG
Unit: E (1 bedroom)
Week: 38 Fri, September 21, 2007
Fri, September 28, 2007



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Marriott's Ocean Pointe
MPB
Unit: THGV (Efficiency)
Week: 19 Fri, May 12, 2006
Fri, May 19, 2006
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Westgate Branson Woods • CEA
Unit: S1B (1 bedroom)
Week: 31 Fri, August 03, 2007
Fri, August 10, 2007



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Exchange

The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: 1BED (1 bedroom)
Week: 20 Fri, May 19, 2006
Fri, May 26, 2006
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Gatlinburg Town Square • GTS
Unit: UUU2 (2 bedrooms)
Week: 22 Sat, June 02, 2007
Sat, June 09, 2007



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The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 36 Sun, September 03, 2006
Sun, September 10, 2006
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Escapes! to Stonebridge Village • ESB
Unit: 769AB (2 bedrooms)
Week: 17 Fri, April 27, 2007
Fri, May 04, 2007



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Accommodation Certificate

Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Mystic Dunes Resort & Golf Club • PCC
Unit: 2BDLO (2 bedrooms)
Week: 48 Sat, December 02, 2006
Sat, December 09, 2006



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Exchange

The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: 0BED (Efficiency)
Week: 10 Fri, March 10, 2006
Fri, March 17, 2006
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Willow Ridge Lodge • MHB
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 46 Thu, November 17, 2005
Thu, November 24, 2005



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The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: 0BED (Efficiency)
Week: 2 Fri, January 14, 2005
Fri, January 21, 2005
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Falls Village Resort • FVL
Unit: 322B (1 bedroom)
Week: 30 Fri, July 29, 2005
Fri, August 05, 2005



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Exchange

The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 36 Sun, September 04, 2005
Sun, September 11, 2005
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Willow Ridge Lodge • MHB
Unit: DZZAA (2 bedrooms)
Week: 22 Thu, June 02, 2005
Thu, June 09, 2005



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Accommodation Certificate

Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Greensprings Vacation Resort • GSS
Unit: UUU2 (2 bedrooms)
Week: 19 Sat, May 07, 2005
Sat, May 14, 2005
Evaluation Completed


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Exchange

The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 1BED (1 bedroom)
Week: 36 Sun, September 05, 2004
Sun, September 12, 2004
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Manor Club Sequel • MSE
Unit: TOMV (1 bedroom)
Week: 37 Sat, September 11, 2004
Sat, September 18, 2004


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The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: UUU2 (2 bedrooms)
Week: 10 Fri, March 07, 2003
Fri, March 14, 2003
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Ridge Tahoe • RGT
Unit: 2BED (2 bedrooms)
Week: 23 Sun, June 06, 2004
Sun, June 13, 2004


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The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 0BED (Efficiency)
Week: 36 Sun, September 05, 2004
Sun, September 12, 2004
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Falls Village Resort • FVL
Unit: 222B (1 bedroom)
Week: 18 Fri, April 30, 2004
Fri, May 07, 2004


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(This exchange was a bonus week given to us by Marriott)

Marriott's Kauai Beach Club
MKW
Unit: DZZBQ (1 bedroom)
Week: 31 Sun, August 05, 2001
Sun, August 12, 2001
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Macdonald Dalfaber Resort Chalets • DAC
Unit: C1 (2 bedrooms)
Week: 11 Sat, March 15, 2003
Sat, March 22, 2003




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The Suites at Polo Towers
PLT
Unit: 0BED (Efficiency)
Week: 36 Sat, September 07, 2002
Sat, September 14, 2002
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Ridge Crest • RGC
Unit: 1BED (1 bedroom)
Week: 25 Fri, June 21, 2002
Fri, June 28, 2002


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The Villas at Polo Towers
VPT
Unit: 0BED (Efficiency)
Week: 26 Fri, June 28, 2002
Fri, July 05, 2002
Confirmed

Confirmed To:
The Ridge Crest • RGC
Unit: (1 bedroom)
Week: 25 Fri, June 21, 2002
Fri, June 28, 2002


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Accommodation Certificate

Confirmed

Confirmed To:
Marriott's Ocean Pointe • MPB
Unit: OVTM (1 bedroom)
Week: 49 Sun, December 09, 2001
Sun, December 16, 2001


Week: 4 Sat, January 26, 2008
Sat, February 02, 2008