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    The following is a comment posted by "Heretic", who claims to be an RCI guide, on the Timesharetalk UK website this morning:

    heretic
    Starting Member
    USA

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    Posted - 17/01/2007 : 14:20:21

    I work at RCI as a Vacation Guide I discovered this site a few days ago after a member called to complain about RCI's unethical activities. he mentioned an article in "Timesharing Today" about some lawsuits against RCI. I went home that night, Googled the article and was shocked. So the next day I did a little digging.
    I find it frustrating that I usually cannot find what the member wants in the exchange inventory, yet, I can usually find it in the rental inventory and/or in the "points" inventory. Interesting thing about the Points inventory. They break up the weeks and sell the units on a nightly basis. So where are those weeks coming from? Well, I told one of the managers that I was getting complaints from members about a lawsuit and she told me not to dicuss the lawsuit with anyone. She also told me that 10% of the weeks go into the points system. That means that when I bank my own week, thinking that it will become available for someone with another week to exchange, that not may not be true. My week may be placed into the points inventory and that is one less week in the weeks inventory. right then and there I realized that I am part of a big scam.

    I am looking for another job as I write this. In the mean time words can't describe the amount of pressure we get from management to sell, sell, sell! They do not give 2 ****s about customer service. It is all about getting the member to spend their money. When a member calls with a problem we are chastised if we spend too much time helping them. We are told repetedly to "get rid of them" and "move on to the next paying customer". In fact, we are told that we will be fired if we don't produce our hourly quota of "production". That means we have guides who are banking the members' weeks without permission from the members, bullying the members into buying 5 and 10 year renewals and pushing them into vacations that they don't want just to keep their jobss! I have been TOLD to bully and threaten the members by my "skill builders" and "training coaches". When I question the legality of such behavior they deny everything. This place is nothing more than an electronic sweat shop with the guides (slaves) chained to their desk 8 hours a day. We have to electronically ccount for every single second of our day. I am not kidding.
    When I finish up my 8 hours of slavery I can't decide whether I should shower or shoot myself. Not a day has gone by that I don't suffer from some sort of physical reaction to the constant barrage of calls from angry members and the constant pressure from management to screw them out of every cent I can.
    By the end of my shift I am usually fighting a headache or stomach ache from the stress. Last night I started to shake so badly I thought I might have to go the the ER and score some xanex. The pressure to sell, sell, sell a useless, worthless membership package to little old ladies is making me question my sanity.
    I am the worst kind of whore now. Streetwalkers are in a more noble profession than I. I have given my soul over to the devil. You are probably asking why I still work there. The simple anwer is, I need the paycheck. However, I'm getting out of there as fast as I can. Hopefully before I develope an ulcer.


    We have seen other RCI guides come and go on this website, and this is only the latest one to express his/her dismay at RCI activities. Take it for what it's worth.

    DDI Par

  • #2
    Very interesting, not surprising and sure seems likely...

    here is the link to the forum where the thread is active:

    click TimeshareTalk go to RCI forum "It's True" is the thread title, and search for thread started by heretic
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    • #3
      I am glad that we own deeded weeks in resorts we will use for ourselves and our family. It will be interesting to wait and see the results of RCI's greed in the years to come. The timeshare boards and Timesharing Today magazine provides valuable information to timesharing enthusiasts. It's a shame more people are not aware of the information we willingly share with each other.
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      • #4
        This is incredible but I believe it. Who wants to do business with this company? You have got to be out of your mind. I hope this person will be long gone before RCI reads this. She doesn't need this job!

        Wait till Carolinian reads this. I can say anything I want because I don't need this company for anything.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by iconnections
          Wait till Carolinian reads this.

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          • #6
            I think this person is telling the truth as he/she sees it.

            He sees weeks going into points, but he doesn't know why.
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            • #7
              I hate to say but...

              the problem is not only with RCI but it may be too with II, if you read this thread here. I am so glad we bought for use mainly and not for the exchanges you can make.

              The developers sell you a dream but they forget to tell you how expensive and difficult it is in real life. Yes, it can be done but you have to be on the ball and most people do not have the time for that or do not read the latest rules either because they keep changing constantly and always to the advantage of the exchange companies. We are all starting to realize this now.

              Start renting from your fellow timeshare owners or do a direct exchange with someone you know or trust or rent your timeshare out! Renting is not that difficult to do.

              Rule #1 is to buy where you want to go most of the time and timesharing can be a wonderful experience with your family because you have much nicer accommodations than staying in a hotel room and be cramped.

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              • #8
                The moaning is from the own to trade crowd

                Originally posted by iconnections View Post
                the problem is not only with RCI but it may be too with II, if you read this thread here. I am so glad we bought for use mainly and not for the exchanges you can make.

                The developers sell you a dream but they forget to tell you how expensive and difficult it is in real life. Yes, it can be done but you have to be on the ball and most people do not have the time for that or do not read the latest rules either because they keep changing constantly and always to the advantage of the exchange companies. We are all starting to realize this now.

                Start renting from your fellow timeshare owners or do a direct exchange with someone you know or trust or rent your timeshare out! Renting is not that difficult to do.

                Rule #1 is to buy where you want to go most of the time and timesharing can be a wonderful experience with your family because you have much nicer accommodations than staying in a hotel room and be cramped.
                Emmy. So right. Anyone who thinks simply not dealing with RCI will make things right are in for a very rude awakening. If everyone bought what they wanted to use and only traded 2 or 3 years out of 10 then the systems would work as advertised. The bastardization that occurred from the own cheap to trade up philosophy is what is killing timeshare trades not RCI, points, rentals or II. Like you I am so happy we always bought because we wanted to go there except for our one small purchase to obtain access to RCI Points. If RCI, II and every other external exchange company disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't bother us a bit. Thats a good feeling and one the always traders can't imagine.

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                • #9
                  I see timesharing as entering a new golden age. Rentals were inevitable. The only reason there are exchange companies in the first place is that there was no rental market. The only reason resort developers can lie about trading power is there was no rental market.

                  Like it or not, timeshare rentals are here to stay.

                  Rentals is the optimal way to map supply and demand. It is the great equalizer.

                  When the timeshare rental market fully develops and becomes an efficient market, there will be a lot fewer fire sales because consumers will snap those weeks up.

                  People will be able to readily see what their trading power is by looking at what their own timeshare are renting for. If the average rentals are below their MF, then they need to kick their HOA's butt to increase the timeshare resort's appeal to renters. Or, reduce costs accordingly.

                  So, what we are seeing is not the end of timesharing. We are simply seeing a more efficient market place emerging and the dying of a model that really doesn't work very well.

                  RCI Isn't the market. They are just the biggest player in it right now. They do suck from a service point of view. They probably really are stealing from the spacebank. However, that they are latched onto rentals means they see the future of the market and they are moving in that direction.

                  Markets always migrate to more efficient methods of distribution. That is unless there is government regulation or monopoly that prevents it. All we need is for the free market to do its magic. You'll see, it will work and timeshare rentals will be it.
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                  • #10
                    The problem for HOA's and their members is that a significant slice of HOA income comes from those who own to exchange. On the OBX it is a bit under 30%, and the figures may be more or less elsewhere. If all of these people bailed out at once, it would put a huge strain on HOA budgets and you would see m/f's soar for everyone else.

                    Whether they realize it or not, every HOA and every own-to-use timesharer should realize that keeping their heads in the sand will not solve this very serious problem. I remember several years ago, when the rentals and points preference problems were just rearing their heads and the Seasons chain of resorts in Europe picked up on the problem early and jumped ship to II in response, firing a withering broadside at RCI over rentals and points in their newsletter (which was posted on the old TUG boards several times). Too bad more resorts did not have that vision then.

                    The ''trades up'' notion is a fantasy. The market says what trades are equal, and that may sometimes be more or less than someone thinks something is worth. If an area is overbuilt, the oversupply is going to push its value on the market way down. That is simply the reality of the market, and is why some who own in overbuilt areas would prefer a system of rigged values like points so they don't have to deal with what the real market thinks their area is worth. A blue week most anywhere doesn't trade into ''red'' weeks in Orlando, Massanutten, or the Canary Islands because it is a trade up, but because the market forces of supply and demand say that they are equivalent.



                    Originally posted by timeos2 View Post
                    Emmy. So right. Anyone who thinks simply not dealing with RCI will make things right are in for a very rude awakening. If everyone bought what they wanted to use and only traded 2 or 3 years out of 10 then the systems would work as advertised. The bastardization that occurred from the own cheap to trade up philosophy is what is killing timeshare trades not RCI, points, rentals or II. Like you I am so happy we always bought because we wanted to go there except for our one small purchase to obtain access to RCI Points. If RCI, II and every other external exchange company disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't bother us a bit. Thats a good feeling and one the always traders can't imagine.

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                    • #11
                      Rentals by timeshare owners, developers, and HOA's have always been there. It is not a ''new'' market. On the OBX, the market has existed almost as long as timesharing has been there. The late Marvin Beard started Outer Banks Resort Rentals, a timeshare only rental and resale business in the very early days of timesharing, and the current owners of that business do a lot more volume of OBX t/s rentals than the internet rental boards combined.

                      What is new is the piracy of exchange companies looting deposits of their exchange banks to rent to the general public. By dumping large quantities of exchange inventory in this manner, they drive down rental prices for others and drive down resale prices. This is NOT good for timesharing.

                      I have no problem with growing legitimate businesses like Redweek, My Resort Network, or Outer Banks Resort Rentals, but I do have a big problem with the piracy of big exchange companies and their dumping that depresses the market. The former does help timesharing become more well rounded. The latter just builds the disgust factor among owners.



                      Originally posted by BocaBum99 View Post
                      I see timesharing as entering a new golden age. Rentals were inevitable. The only reason there are exchange companies in the first place is that there was no rental market. The only reason resort developers can lie about trading power is there was no rental market.

                      Like it or not, timeshare rentals are here to stay.

                      Rentals is the optimal way to map supply and demand. It is the great equalizer.

                      When the timeshare rental market fully develops and becomes an efficient market, there will be a lot fewer fire sales because consumers will snap those weeks up.

                      People will be able to readily see what their trading power is by looking at what their own timeshare are renting for. If the average rentals are below their MF, then they need to kick their HOA's butt to increase the timeshare resort's appeal to renters. Or, reduce costs accordingly.

                      So, what we are seeing is not the end of timesharing. We are simply seeing a more efficient market place emerging and the dying of a model that really doesn't work very well.

                      RCI Isn't the market. They are just the biggest player in it right now. They do suck from a service point of view. They probably really are stealing from the spacebank. However, that they are latched onto rentals means they see the future of the market and they are moving in that direction.

                      Markets always migrate to more efficient methods of distribution. That is unless there is government regulation or monopoly that prevents it. All we need is for the free market to do its magic. You'll see, it will work and timeshare rentals will be it.

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                      • #12
                        I think most people see the RCI system (and yes, I realize it's probably underhanded) in terms of their high MF, bright red resorts. Resorts they bought to use (which is the best idea) and they don't want to trade down in value.

                        I just deposited another week with RCI but I do not have my head in the sand. My resort is a deeded, low MF, pinkish red week (which I didn't buy, I inherited it so I had no upfront costs). I'm still very happy with my RCI trades. I get to go to Europe and Hawaii frequently (in off seasons which I much prefer). I find lots of nice resorts in the U.S. and thanks to TUGS I can be very selective by knowing what I'm getting, carefully reading the reviews.

                        I'm aware that RCI is changing the rules (any maybe will someday soon become something that no longer works for me). I do not want to buy into their points system so if I'm eventually forced into that I will drop them. I'm fully aware of how they operate (again thanks to reading these forums) but will still use them until I can't get good trades anymore.
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