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Originally Posted by Aldo
Considering how BAD a deal the "exchange for cruise" thing really is compared to just buying a cruise, now RCI expects this member to actually believe that ALL 21 available Hawaii weeks in their system were actually exchanged for cruises????????
No doubt the occasional person will be unwise enough to do the exchange for cruise option, but EVERYBODY???
Come on.
When someone is lying, I much prefer those lies to at least be plausible. Please.
Otherwise, it's simply insulting.
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Hi Aldo,
In the Ask RCI question that I asked about how can over 80 units at the Maui Embassy show up as Rentals and NO units were showing up as Exchanges when Maui Embassy is only Bulk Spacebanking Owner Exchange Weeks for the Prime Months of March, April and May, this is Madge's answer.
Madge did not deny the they were Owner's Spacebank Weeks. Madge did not even say some were Developer's Week. So when the Maui Embassy said they were Owner's Spacebank Weeks, logic would tell us they are only Owner's Spacebank Week.
Madge Wrote:
The units offered in Extra Vacations (or a vendor such as SnapTravel) may not always be the specific units that were deposited for non-exchange transactions. For example, the member who requests a cruise exchange may be using a deposited week that was long ago assigned to another RCI member. When this is the case, an equivalent unit is taken in place of that member's deposited unit. Equivalence here is based on our standard Trading Power guidelines.
I Wrote:
I was told by the Embassy Maui that the deposit below were owners weeks made with a Bulk Spacebanking. The were not used for Cruises or any other Points program. I have not had one Weeks owner tell me that they can see these weeks when doing an Exchange Search. I used a week for an Weeks Exchanged Search that had Maximum Trade Value as told to me by a VC. I saw nothing.
In all due respect to you. I know that you are just the messenger. But please let RCI know that this is just not a believable answer.
Please give me your take on what was told to me by the Embassy Maui. Your statement and the Embassy Maui's statement can not both be correct. What possible timeshare week does RCI have that is equal to a Embassy Maui week in March, April, and May? The other Hawaii Resorts weeks are also being rented and have not been placed in the Exchange Pool either. So what is equal to a Hawaiian week in March, April, and May?
JerseyGirl Wrote:
As an aside, I think II's policy of only allowing undeposited weeks to be exchanged toward cruises (where only those specific weeks are then released to rental inventory) is much less likely to lend itself to the same suspicions and allegations.
Madge Wrote:
The specific details of our reconciliation process are proprietary and I won't be able to share them. What you seem to be asking for is proof that what I'm saying is true. If I cannot share something, I will let you know that; however, the information I do share is true to the very best of my knowledge.
I find this last sentence interesting.
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthr...highlight=Walt
This is an part of an Email I received from the Maui Embassy
they have also acknowledged that their exchange agreement with each owner states that they may use banked weeks for other purposes, including, marketing, staff resort site inspections and rental to name a few.
I have also noted that you feel the practice of bulk banking to provide owners with better opportunities for exchanges doesn't seem to have the benefit that it once did. Owners are still struggling to get back into their home resort, ie, the Embassy Ka'anapali Beach Resort; yet they have seen rental opportunities on the internet for their own resort.
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If you believe that RCI is Cherry Picking the best Resorts in Prime time instead of using the Mud Week that were used for RCI's Points Program, please do 3 things.
1) Contract your Resort about this problem. My resorts did not know.
2) Contact your HOA about this problem. My HOAs did not know.
3) Contact RCI.
Money talks and Rental money makes more than Exchange money. But at least let, RCI know we are not as Dumb and Gullible as they may think.
If we (TUG) really wanted to get this message across to RCI someone, could start a thread in the Exchange Forum directed toward RCI that states something like this. Stop Cherry Picking the Prime Time Resorts in Prime Time for your Rental Program.
Ask RCI to use the policy that JerseyGirl stated, of only allowing undeposited weeks to be exchanged toward cruises (where only those specific weeks are then released to rental inventory) is much less likely to lend itself to the same suspicions and allegations. In other words, the week used for the points programs is the one they rent.
I will not start this thread because some see me as being Anti RCI. I am not. I have no problem with my past and present exchanges. But, I am not sure what will happen in the future. I think more and more RCI members are seeing that exchanges they once were able to get, are no longer available. I think the result would be better if someone else would start this thread.
Walt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aldo
Considering how BAD a deal the "exchange for cruise" thing really is compared to just buying a cruise, now RCI expects this member to actually believe that ALL 21 available Hawaii weeks in their system were actually exchanged for cruises????????
No doubt the occasional person will be unwise enough to do the exchange for cruise option, but EVERYBODY???
Come on.
When someone is lying, I much prefer those lies to at least be plausible. Please.
Otherwise, it's simply insulting.
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Hi Aldo,
In the Ask RCI question that I asked about how can over 80 units at the Maui Embassy show up as Rentals and NO units were showing up as Exchanges when Maui Embassy is only Bulk Spacebanking Owner Exchange Weeks for the Prime Months of March, April and May, this is Madge's answer.
Madge did not deny the they were Owner's Spacebank Weeks. Madge did not even say some were Developer's Week. So when the Maui Embassy said they were Owner's Spacebank Weeks, logic would tell us they are only Owner's Spacebank Week.
Madge Wrote:
The units offered in Extra Vacations (or a vendor such as SnapTravel) may not always be the specific units that were deposited for non-exchange transactions. For example, the member who requests a cruise exchange may be using a deposited week that was long ago assigned to another RCI member. When this is the case, an equivalent unit is taken in place of that member's deposited unit. Equivalence here is based on our standard Trading Power guidelines.
I Wrote:
I was told by the Embassy Maui that the deposit below were owners weeks made with a Bulk Spacebanking. The were not used for Cruises or any other Points program. I have not had one Weeks owner tell me that they can see these weeks when doing an Exchange Search. I used a week for an Weeks Exchanged Search that had Maximum Trade Value as told to me by a VC. I saw nothing.
In all due respect to you. I know that you are just the messenger. But please let RCI know that this is just not a believable answer.
Please give me your take on what was told to me by the Embassy Maui. Your statement and the Embassy Maui's statement can not both be correct. What possible timeshare week does RCI have that is equal to a Embassy Maui week in March, April, and May? The other Hawaii Resorts weeks are also being rented and have not been placed in the Exchange Pool either. So what is equal to a Hawaiian week in March, April, and May?
JerseyGirl Wrote:
As an aside, I think II's policy of only allowing undeposited weeks to be exchanged toward cruises (where only those specific weeks are then released to rental inventory) is much less likely to lend itself to the same suspicions and allegations.
Madge Wrote:
The specific details of our reconciliation process are proprietary and I won't be able to share them. What you seem to be asking for is proof that what I'm saying is true. If I cannot share something, I will let you know that; however, the information I do share is true to the very best of my knowledge.
I find this last sentence interesting.
http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthr...highlight=Walt
This is an part of an Email I received from the Maui Embassy
they have also acknowledged that their exchange agreement with each owner states that they may use banked weeks for other purposes, including, marketing, staff resort site inspections and rental to name a few.
I have also noted that you feel the practice of bulk banking to provide owners with better opportunities for exchanges doesn't seem to have the benefit that it once did. Owners are still struggling to get back into their home resort, ie, the Embassy Ka'anapali Beach Resort; yet they have seen rental opportunities on the internet for their own resort.
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If you believe that RCI is Cherry Picking the best Resorts in Prime time instead of using the Mud Week that were used for RCI's Points Program, please do 3 things.
1) Contract your Resort about this problem. My resorts did not know.
2) Contact your HOA about this problem. My HOAs did not know.
3) Contact RCI.
Money talks and Rental money makes more than Exchange money. But at least let, RCI know we are not as Dumb and Gullible as they may think.
If we (TUG) really wanted to get this message across to RCI someone, could start a thread in the Exchange Forum directed toward RCI that states something like this. Stop Cherry Picking the Prime Time Resorts in Prime Time for your Rental Program.
Ask RCI to use the policy that JerseyGirl stated, of only allowing undeposited weeks to be exchanged toward cruises (where only those specific weeks are then released to rental inventory) is much less likely to lend itself to the same suspicions and allegations. In other words, the week used for the points programs is the one they rent.
I will not start this thread because some see me as being Anti RCI. I am not. I have no problem with my past and present exchanges. But, I am not sure what will happen in the future. I think more and more RCI members are seeing that exchanges they once were able to get, are no longer available. I think the result would be better if someone else would start this thread.
Walt
the rental operations and point system.
"RCI gets the best, we the rest", this just does'nt work anymore! I hope the class action lawyers are taking notes!
Ben
TRUE GRIT has 
saying that about the RCI rentals for a few years now and has taken a tremendous amount of verbal
pounding for it.
of what he posted regarding his concerns. 
justify the shrinking availabilty of seemingly not getting comparable quaility trades on exchanges.
valid today than just a couple of years ago.
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