Energy Surcharges

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

I'm having a hard time understanding why some resorts are charging an energy surcharge now. Isn't electricity a normal part of a room stay? It makes me wonder if they will start charging for water and trash.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Caribbean and European resorts have always had energy surcharges. Most often have a local resort tax as well.

Are you seeing utility charges in North American exchanges? If so where?

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

Caribbean and European resorts have always had energy surcharges. Most often have a local resort tax as well.

Are you seeing utility charges in North American exchanges? If so where?

Powell Place in San Fran and Point @ Poipu in Hawaii. Those are in addition to resort fees.

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

are these flat rates or based on usage? I wonder if they have people putting AC on full blast before leaving for a day of golf or sightseeing? If I were an owner, I would support charging occupants for their usage vs owners footing ever increasing elec costs without it.

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

are these flat rates or based on usage? I wonder if they have people putting AC on full blast before leaving for a day of golf or sightseeing? If I were an owner, I would support charging occupants for their usage vs owners footing ever increasing elec costs without it.

Flat rates. Powell charges $5./day and P@P charges $70./week.

I agree with your owner's perspective. I wouldn't want to pay for people who turn the air on and then leave for the day, either.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Powell Place in San Fran and Point @ Poipu in Hawaii. Those are in addition to resort fees.

Diamond wants and additional $70 for electric on top of these?

Mandatory Fees
State Lodging tax is 40 U.S. dollars.
The fee is per unit confirmed.
Resort Fees
Resort amenities fee is 25 per day U.S. dollars.
Fee is mandatory and charged per day.

Check Kaanapali because they have the same new and exciting fees this year.

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

Diamond wants and additional $70 for electric on top of these?

Yes. I was comparing Alli Kai vs P@P as exchanges through GPX. Both had what seemed like too much added fees for use. I don't know if that is exclusive to trading through GPX.

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

Just double checked, Alli Kai is only $5./per day for resort fee and it looks like P@P doesn't have a daily use fee tacked on. Here are the posted fees when exchanging via GPX.

Alli Kai
Alert Notes:

A $33.50 State T.A.T. tax will be charged at check in. There is a $5.00 resort service fee per night for all reservations. This fee includes the internet.


P@P
Alert Notes:

This is a non smoking resort. Energy surcharge approx. $70.00 per week - Hawaiian Tax $7.30 per day/per unit, prices subject to change. *A project to address water intrusion issues at the resort begins in June 2012 and will take approximately five years to complete. Work will begin with Building 4, which will be closed through the end of 2012. During the day, there may be noise within the resort grounds while the work is in progress.

Kaanapali
Alert Notes:

Hawaiian Tax will be collected at check in; $6.10 for 1 bedroom units, $8.34 for 2 bedroom units. Prices are subject to change. A $30 per day minimum incidentals deposit is required at check in. Parking is $16 per day.


If I decide to trade in GPX, Alli Kai wins.

[somerville Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close somerville]

One timeshare I own, Seven Mile Beach Resort in Grand Cayman, reads the unit electric meter at the end of the week and bills for actual usage.

[StressCadet Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close StressCadet]

Just double checked, Alli Kai is only $5./per day for resort fee and it looks like P@P doesn't have a daily use fee tacked on. Here are the posted fees when exchanging via GPX.

Alli Kai
Alert Notes:

A $33.50 State T.A.T. tax will be charged at check in. There is a $5.00 resort service fee per night for all reservations. This fee includes the internet.


P@P
Alert Notes:

This is a non smoking resort. Energy surcharge approx. $70.00 per week - Hawaiian Tax $7.30 per day/per unit, prices subject to change. *A project to address water intrusion issues at the resort begins in June 2012 and will take approximately five years to complete. Work will begin with Building 4, which will be closed through the end of 2012. During the day, there may be noise within the resort grounds while the work is in progress.

Kaanapali
Alert Notes:

Hawaiian Tax will be collected at check in; $6.10 for 1 bedroom units, $8.34 for 2 bedroom units. Prices are subject to change. A $30 per day minimum incidentals deposit is required at check in. Parking is $16 per day.


If I decide to trade in GPX, Alli Kai wins.

Note to self: Never stay at KBC.

Am interested in the GPX Ali'i Kai units. Asked a question over yonder that never was answered..and now I've forgotten what it was

I'll go look it up..just in case you stay there before me and you can answer it.

Edited to add: Found my question. I want to know if the GPX units are on the ocean side of the street. I stayed in the Ali'i Kai privately owned condos (rented from a lovely owner) and it was directly on the cliff. LOVELY views. I know there are units on the "garden side" and wondered exactly where the GPX units were...does anyone know?

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

Flat rates. Powell charges $5./day and P@P charges $70./week.

I agree with your owner's perspective. I wouldn't want to pay for people who turn the air on and then leave for the day, either.

I have seen at least one timeshare, on the Greek island of Corfu, deal with this the same way that some European hotels do. They use a key card for the front door lock and then the key card has to be inserted into a slot for most of the unit electricity (refrigerator excepted) to work. That keeps energy costs down without slamming guests for excessive fees.

If they are going to charge extra for electricity, I much prefer those which uses meters as opposed to flat fees. I have noted that some of those with flat fees only charge them to exchangers or renters, not owners, and that is simply not fair. Resorts that do not charge these fees, perhaps, should have a reciprocal policy of charging inbound exchangers from resorts with utility fees the very same utility fee that their home resort charges to exchangers. Now THAT would be fair!

[MaryH Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MaryH]

Allen House also has an utility charge...

[Presley Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Presley]

I have seen at least one timeshare, on the Greek island of Corfu, deal with this the same way that some European hotels do. They use a key card for the front door lock and then the key card has to be inserted into a slot for most of the unit electricity (refrigerator excepted) to work. That keeps energy costs down without slamming guests for excessive fees.

The Disney cruise ships do that in the staterooms. I always thought it was a good idea. I wouldn't mind having that at home, too.

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

I don't recall ever paying for elec in the states, only overseas. I don't really have a problem with it, as it's never much money.

The other fees that are not state-mandated (tourist taxes I have to be ok with since it benefits Area vs RESORT ONLY) start to grate on me. per day fees are annoying and I have to wonder why they are there? Is the resort not getting enuf in maint? what are these fees really for?

If you want to charge me An Exchanger Fee, call it that and make it a flat rate and I can decide from there.