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T. R. Oglodyte · 09-03-2006, 07:45 PM

Doesn't sound like a scammer to me. Most of the scammer compose a generic inquiry letter. They then harvest a bunch of e-mail address for listings that match the generic letter, then send out the letter in bulk. Because it's a generic letter, it doesn't list any specifics.

This persom seems to have included too much info specific to the unit.

The business of calling you Brian instead of Bruce isn't significant in my opinion. Without having your name right in front of him, that type of a mistake in a name isn't that uncommon. Heck, a couple of weeks ago I called my DD's fiancee Peter instead of Patrick, and we have a direct relationship.

brucecz · 09-03-2006, 08:11 PM

Thanks for your insight as you are one of the people who has had my respect for years on these timesharing sites.

But my first name was in ad as the owner and is in our email address. IMHO people in haste make those type of mistakes, not someone who is supposely thinking of spending about $10,000. on a timeshare.

The part about the phone also did not ring true with me as I have not heard that UK excuse before. Note that tony has access to 3 differant phones as shown in his emails to me in my posting.

If he was a sincre buyer truely interested in buying our times then he should be able to find a phone line (Or phone card) that worked if he was sincre instead of sending a real rude email reply. I know I would if turely interested.

Maybe he thought he could manipulate with his rude (Bully Like ?)reply.

I have dealt with this type before and in most cases they want our Bank account number. I am in no hurry to sell as these ownerships provide a decent rental cash flow and provide lots of low cost RCI Points.

Bruce

Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post

Doesn't sound like a scammer to me. Most of the scammer compose a generic inquiry letter. They then harvest a bunch of e-mail address for listings that match the generic letter, then send out the letter in bulk. Because it's a generic letter, it doesn't list any specifics.

This persom seems to have included too much info specific to the unit.

The business of calling you Brian instead of Bruce isn't significant in my opinion. Without having your name right in front of him, that type of a mistake in a name isn't that uncommon. Heck, a couple of weeks ago I called my DD's fiancee Peter instead of Patrick, and we have a direct relationship.

Glitter Brunello · 09-03-2006, 08:30 PM

Yes, if a scammer they will either want your bank info, or will send you an overpayment and ask you to send back the difference...

T. R. Oglodyte · 09-03-2006, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by brucecz View Post

Maybe he thought he could manipulate with his rude (Bully Like ?)reply.

I have dealt with this type before and in most cases they want our Bank account number. I am in no hurry to sell as these ownerships provide a decent rental cash flow and provide lots of low cost RCI Points.

Bruce

Ahh, two separate issues, Bruce.

"Is he a scammer?" and "Is he a person I want to do business with?" are not the same thing.

I agree totally that his posts suggest he might be a person who is a PITA to deal with. But I don't see anything that suggest he's a scammer.

If he were a scammer, it's not likely he would be wasting time going back and forth. He would have said the price is acceptable and started the scam (e.g., asked for you bank info, said that you would receive a check for more than the amount with a request for a refund, etc.)

I think it's more likely that this person is just trying to set you up for some hardball negotiations - trying to make you feel guilty so you will feel obligated to consent to some of his demands.

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You probably have enough basis to write him off as someone not worth working with. But I think that's mostly a PITA decision than a "scam" decision.

brucecz · 09-03-2006, 11:17 PM

Steve, I

respectfully will agreeably disagree with you for the following reasons.

I have dealt successfully with PIA many times before. I ran my own small business for 15 years that I built from the ground up. In fact I won 9 consecutive customer year awards given to only 3 dealers in Wisconsin every year. The other 6 years we had a different manufacturer that did not give awards.

He said he was a customer. That was not correct. He was maybe a potential customer as he had not bought anything from me. So his statement demanding that I call him because he is a customer is looked upon by me as a

unnecessary bully like tactic. IMHO his last reply was that of a frustrated PIA or a scammer.

I think his claim about not being able to get through to me by phone is not true. Maybe he did not want to spend the money if he was a low baller or maybe a scammer.

In any case I did not trust the UK email address as 100% of the emails I have received in regard to our rentals and/or selling efforts have been from UK scammers.

I was not going to spend hours and hours emailing back and forth.. I have better thing to do.

So if his tactic was trying to play hard ball he struck out. For these following reasons .

In this case I think that I may be the only person on the net at present to offer both the RARE pure CMV UDI Oak Timbers and the CMV UDI blended Oak Timbers. In a game of cards andTimesharing that chould be called holding the high trump card.

Right now each one these ownerships for years have cash

flowed more than covers their expenses and also provided extra weeks for very low cost vacations, airfares etc. So if it does not sell to him it is no big deal.

The main reason I buy and sell is that I like the action and I make some profit. Its pretty hard to pressure someone like on a timeshare that is making decent money on rentals, etc form that ownership..

Also on that website the information is available that at any one time I may have 40 or more ads going so he might have altered his tactics because he realized that I was not a newbie. I have run into this type of tactic before from scammers from the UK.

His last name calling

tactic may have been a attempt to have me call him in desperation to “Save the deal”. That of course did not happen.

I will meet you half way. I will agree with you that he was a PIA, but my warning system tells me I am gald I did not phone him before or after this last email to me.

Bruce

Keitht · 09-04-2006, 05:03 AM

One of his e-mails was sent from a business address. A simple Google search on that business returns this.

It doesn't look much like a scammer to me; more like a professional person who felt he wasn't being dealt with professionally.
If I go into a shop looking at items which I may want to purchase I certainly consider myself a 'customer' and would expect the standard courtesies. I definitely wouldn't be happy to be considered unimportant until I had actually parted with my cash.
With regard to the telephone problems he apparently had, I also have experienced problems with international calls. Whether the problem was with the UK or the international end I don't know, but I do know it was extremely frustrating. The fact that you have received other calls from the UK doesn't preclude the possibility of problems.

brucecz · 09-04-2006, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Keitht

One of his e-mails was sent from a business address. A simple Google search on that business returns this.

It doesn't look much like a scammer to me; more like a professional person who felt he wasn't being dealt with professionally.
If I go into a shop looking at items which I may want to purchase I certainly consider myself a 'customer' and would expect the standard courtesies. I definitely wouldn't be happy to be considered unimportant until I had actually parted with my cash.
With regard to the telephone problems he apparently had, I also have experienced problems with international calls. Whether the problem was with the UK or the international end I don't know, but I do know it was extremely frustrating. The fact that you have received other calls from the UK doesn't preclude the possibility of problems.

Keitht, I may post you a detailed reply to your post on http://www.ts4ums.com in the next day or so.

There are certain factors that I am considering if it is even worth responding in detail given that I remember what has transpired in the past in your

personial belittlement of me just to try and win a point.

By any remote chance is this tony ( no last name) a personial or professionial friend of yours?

But I think Steve has caught the main essense and purpose of that PIA as Steve called him.

I noticed the type of reply you posted when I woke up at 3:30 AM our time, and if I reply it will be to each point factual or non factual point you made in our post. I may also point out some points in those emails that I think you may have over looked for your consideration.

I am considering several past and present factors before replying given the tone of your past posts and that you are a moderator on this site and on the other site.

Bruce

basham · 09-04-2006, 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=brucecz;68819]UK

Do you think this is a UK scammer trying to take advantage of a Wisconsin hick?

Well everything could turn out to be a scam in the end, but no.

He just seems like another public school boy who has an inflated idea of his worth in life.

He clearly got pissed off with you and told you off.

Why bother with him and the issue.

I piss off other people all the time, sometimes deliberately but mostlly inadvertantly and usually over such things as this, different expectations.

Keitht · 09-04-2006, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by brucecz

Keitht
There are certain factors that I am considering if it is even worth responding in detail given that I remember what has transpired in the past in your

personial belittlement of me just to try and win a point.

By any remote chance is this tony ( no last name) a personial or professionial friend of yours?

I am considering several past and present factors before replying given the tone of your past posts and that you are a moderator on this site and on the other site.

Bruce,

this is the second time I can recall you making accusations about how I have responded to you and will make the same response that I made before.
You asked a question and I replied, giving reasons for doubting that your assumptions were correct. I don't understand how answering your questions can be considered belittling you. If you took it that way it is unfortunate, but it was not the intent. If you only want responses that support your viewpoint it might be as well to state that when you post 'questions'.

As for the suggestion that I might have personal or professional dealings with the 'potential' customer - it is a suggestion that is beyond the laughable. I know the UK is smaller than the US but we still have a population in excess of 60 million and the city where his company is based is approximately 300 miles from where I live!

I fail to see what relevance the fact that I am a moderator here and on timesharetalk in the UK has to do with anything.

Finally, if anybody wishes to re-read my reply and can explain to me, either here or by PM, what is 'belittling' I would be interested to hear. Maybe it's down to different interpretations of the post in the UK and US.

The Conch Man · 09-04-2006, 06:55 PM

Can I reply to this post? I can give Keith my personal opinion ~~ Don't want Big Frank to kick my butt again tho ~~ So i'll let it rest ~~

tonyg · 09-04-2006, 07:48 PM

Yeah, you gotta watch out for those Tonys.

The Heritage Consultancy rings a bell to me- still not sure as to what door that bell is ringing at.

I would just ignore the moron or write him back and tell him you prefer not to deal with morons.

T. R. Oglodyte · 09-04-2006, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by brucecz View Post

Steve, I

respectfully will agreeably disagree with you for the following reasons.

If you're convinced he's a scammer, why did you ask for people's opinions as to whether or not he was? Color me "confused'.

brucecz · 09-04-2006, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Keitht

Bruce,

As for the suggestion that I might have personal or professional dealings with the 'potential' customer - it is a suggestion that is beyond the laughable.

Your "class" in the quote above is showing and laughable.

Here is what is what I exactly said in my post and I quote
" By any remote chance is this tony ( no last name) a personial or professionial friend of yours?" Unquote

Note I how asked and did definately not suggest as you state up above. Are you again trying to twist my words suggests of the tactics that should below the ethics of a moderator or for any other poster. For you to to then try "those laughable tactics" does not speak well of you as a moderator.

After your last posting it does seem like you and UK Tony have IMHO have a lot in common.

You do not not out that tony emails were rude and uncouth because I did not want to waste time calling a possable UK scammer.

Have you truely forgtten what you posted and later half hearted apologized to the group a bit more that three years ago for your first post directed at me, when I had never posted to you or had not referred to you in any of my posts up to that time?

So you are saying that you do not remember the posters who said that was a checp shot you took at me and IMHO that is the only reason you made your half hearted apology was to escape the heat.

But people like you do not really change or become willing to become accountable if they do not have to. Some moderators are like that. I will say a payer for you.

Or don't you want to remember. Feel free to give me a call at 1-262-878-7566 and and I will be happy to refresh your apparent selective memory. Yours would be the first UK call that was not from a scammer.

Or do you have the same apparent telephoning problems that UK tony claims to have?

Bruce

brucecz · 09-05-2006, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post

If he were a scammer, it's not likely he would be wasting time going back and forth. He would have said the price is acceptable and started the scam (e.g., asked for you bank info, said that you would receive a check for more than the amount with a request for a refund, etc.)

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My main point in my first post was to warn about a possible scammer.

Steve, in the past I had one UK scammer try to slow play a scam over one months time. His reaction was very similar from this UK person when I would not cave in to his demands.

In fact I posted that other UK persons name on Tug and one of the people that is fairly active on this site contacted me and let know that he had also been contacted by that person and approached in basically in the same manner with the same result.

Some scammers are like you posted about above and others will in a manner try a differant tactic almost like slow playing a pat Texas Holdum Hand.

They try to get you by making you invest a lot of time and hope you will become impatent and reckless to wrap up a sale. Then if you are unwilling to cave into their demands then may become rude in their emails to you and give any type of excuse to try to get you to cave in to their demands.

The rest of what I was going to post in I will send in response to your private email message request to me to keep it behind the sences. But I have nothing to hide so feel free to pass it on to Big Frank , Ken, Keith, etc.

Bruce

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