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    Hello from Bob and Judy. We are TS owners since 1990 and didn't know this site existed until after buying 2 TSs the old-fashioned way (you guessed it- through the developer ). Since perusing this site, I've found it to be the holy grail of TS advice. Too bad we didn't find you sooner! We'd like to lay out our position to see how best to use these TSs or add/subtract for maximum benefit. Anyone, feel free to jump into this thread if you have some ideas!

    The first TS is a standard shoulder week (#19 in May) up in the Poconos in PA. Shawnee was touted to be a 5 star resort 15 years ago, but doesn't seem to shine like it used to. In fact, Shell Vacations club converted two of our weeks into RCI points for us and they only converted to 24K apiece for a 2 Brm. Yikes! Not much trading power there. (More on this later). However, in years past we have traded it successfully for many nice places all over the Caribbean, Mexico, Colorado and Hawaii as a straight trade through RCI/II.

    The 2nd TS is a Shell Vacations Club points buy in 2005 worth 1250 pts. Turns out this is worth a studio during a blue week or 1/2 a red week. It's the lowest increment of points you can buy. The salesman promised us that if we converted our standard week above into RCI points then we could combine them with the SVC points to give us more trading power. This is true, but it is a pretty arduous process. SVC will convert our standard week for us. Advantage: we can do shorter stays at points resorts. Disadvantage: we have to commit that week to points well in advance and I'm just not sure we will get as much bang for the buck. The alternative is to keep the two TSs separate and trade the standard week through RCI/II.

    Questions
    1: Does anyone else out there have a setup similar to this? Have you found better value in trading independently or trying to combine?

    2: Are standard week TSs becoming dinosaurs (vs. points)? Are they becoming less tradeable due to the proliferation of points-based resorts?

    3: With most points set-ups, am I correct in assuming that you simply pay more points for higher demand resort time? Is reserving a particular resort with points on a first-come-first-served basis (as opposed to a standard week where it depends on the quality of your unit, when you deposit it, etc.)?

    Thanks so much for helping out here. I'm sure I'll have more questions as we go.

    B & J

  • #2
    Points may well be hitting a plateau. A resort at which I owned in Australia dumped RCI Points and went back to RCI Weeks, as did a number of other Australian resorts about the same time. There was also an article in Timesharing Today some months from a California timeshare industry insider who wrote that the conversion of California resorts to points had ground to a halt with the overwhelming majority of resorts remaining week-based. He further wrote that many of the conversion firms that sold points conversion to individual owners at those points resorts were getting out of the business because they had already reached most of those that could be talked into converting.

    It certainly sounds like points has not been a success in your situation.

    You might also want to look at using independent exchange companies like Dial An Exchange Timeshare + Vacation Ownership & Points Clubs Exchange Service , htse.net , www.platinuminterchange.com , etc.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by redbaron
      3: With most points set-ups, am I correct in assuming that you simply pay more points for higher demand resort time? Is reserving a particular resort with points on a first-come-first-served basis (as opposed to a standard week where it depends on the quality of your unit, when you deposit it, etc.)?

      Know nothing about Shell. I believe someone in Tugs (Point System Discussions - Timeshare Users Group Online Community Forums) will know.

      I don't think week will go out. Since there are a big percent of owner. But more and more system become mini and reduce the selections. The ratio of availability should be similar.

      As to question#3, yes you pay more point for higher demand. The reserving is on a first come first serve basis. The point system I own has specific date range when the inventories will be able to reserve. So it is very important you have point ready and make reservation as soon as possible. RCI points I believe they say is start at 10 month, but most of their resort are just affliate, so that day may be vary, you should check on line from 10 month to say 8 month if you know the place and time you want go.

      Or you can ride back the week at 45 days. I forget what is the # of points you need for take a week.

      Jya-Ning
      Jya-Ning

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      • #4
        Originally posted by redbaron

        Questions
        1: Does anyone else out there have a setup similar to this? Have you found better value in trading independently or trying to combine?

        2: Are standard week TSs becoming dinosaurs (vs. points)? Are they becoming less tradeable due to the proliferation of points-based resorts?

        3: With most points set-ups, am I correct in assuming that you simply pay more points for higher demand resort time? Is reserving a particular resort with points on a first-come-first-served basis (as opposed to a standard week where it depends on the quality of your unit, when you deposit it, etc.)?

        Thanks so much for helping out here. I'm sure I'll have more questions as we go.

        B & J

        to TimeshareForums.

        I don't think weeks are becoming dinosaurs. RCI would like you to think so. There are some real sweet exchanges in points. It is harder to get what you want when you want it but trades and good ones are still done within the RCI weeks system.

        The Independents still work on a weeks basis.

        We will help you as best we can.


        Are you stuck within a school calendar or can you travel shoulder seasons?
        Lawren
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        There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
        - Rolf Kopfle

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
          :
          Are you stuck within a school calendar or can you travel shoulder seasons?
          Thanks for all the great replys, everyone. That helps a lot. We will primarily be traveling during shoulder periods sans kids (they're on their own), but there will be the occasion that we would like to do something in the summer with them after they have their own kids. We would also like to go to Hawaii for a few days in January 2008.

          I think we can get by for ourselves on what we currently own for the time being. MF's are $350 for the standard week and $440 for the Shell points.

          Questions-
          1: If we do add to our inventory for the future, would you recommend looking for more points (either Shell or RCI) or another standard week? There are lots of Shell deals on Ebay, but their points/MF ratios are a little steep. Our objective would be to try to combine these resources where needed to get a larger unit/multiple units at the same destination depending on guests/family. (My gut feeling is to simply rent points as needed). I see a lot of Fairfield/Wyndham points out there for sale on Ebay as well. Is that a totally different points system?

          2: In January '08 we will be visiting our friends on the Big Island of Hawaii for a week. We would like to stop off in Maui or Kauai for 2-3 days to experience that. Any tips for trying to secure a place at this point through the RCI system (we are well within the 10 months recommended)? We have 22,000 RCI and 1250 SVC points available. Would it be best to look for an RCI get-away special 45 days out?

          Thanks for all your help! B&J

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          • #6
            I can't help with the points questions as I specialize in weeks. There is a Wyn/FF forum that you can read and ask questions in.

            January in Hawaii is not an easy trade. I see nothing past mid-December in RCI weeks. That does not mean there are no points options nor does it mean nothing will show up in the last minute phase. Hawaii is the one area where that does occur pretty reliably.

            Trading Places has Kahana Falls Maui but only hotel units for January right now.

            Hawaiian Time Share Exchange only has Imperial on Oahu in stock for January.

            Both TPI and HTSE are independent trading companies that deal strictly in a weeks format. We have forums for both that you can read up on how to use them.

            If you are going to go to Kauai <being the easiest trade with the most RCI resorts> try for the southcoast. Rainy season in January.
            Lawren
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            There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
            - Rolf Kopfle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
              I see nothing past mid-December in RCI weeks. That does not mean there are no points options nor does it mean nothing will show up in the last minute phase. Hawaii is the one area where that does occur pretty reliably.
              Lawren, how did you find the RCI inventory that you mentioned?

              Tell me more about Trading Places. The hotel rooms might work.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by redbaron View Post
                Lawren, how did you find the RCI inventory that you mentioned?

                Tell me more about Trading Places. The hotel rooms might work.
                I looked in the RCI on-line inventory for weeks.

                Trading Places is an Independent Exchange Company. They have no membership fee. They have no seasonal values and trade like-for-like. If you deposit a studio you get a studio or hotel unit in exchange if you need a larger unit you can pay an upgrade fee. The domestic exchange fee is $149.

                Right now they are running a special. Deposit a 2008 week by 10/31/08 and get a Bonus Week.

                Here is the current inventory for Kahana Falls:

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 05, 2008 - Jan 12, 2008
                Size: Studio Sleeps 2
                Occupancy: 2

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 05, 2008 - Jan 12, 2008
                Size: Hotel
                Occupancy: 2

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 06, 2008 - Jan 13, 2008
                Size: Hotel
                Occupancy: 2

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 06, 2008 - Jan 13, 2008
                Size: Studio Sleeps 2
                Occupancy: 2

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 11, 2008 - Jan 18, 2008
                Size: Hotel
                Occupancy: 2

                Kahana Falls - Lahaina, Maui, HI, United States
                Dates: Jan 20, 2008 - Jan 27, 2008
                Size: Hotel
                Occupancy: 2

                You can read more about Trading Places here: http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...rading-places/
                Lawren
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                There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
                - Rolf Kopfle

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