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  • RCI's response to my email - 1 in 4 and Manhattan Club

    Hello

    Below is a copy and paste of an email that I sent to RCI and their response to me concerning the 1 in 4 rule as it pertains to my recent Manhattan Club Exchange.


    My Email to RCI:

    I just learned that RCI has changed Manhattan Club to a 1 in 4 resort.

    In Jan 2007 (Manhattan Club WAS NOT a 1 in 4) I confirmed for March 28, 2008. The 1 in 4 comment was not on our confirmation - the rule did not exist when it was confirmed.

    Can I therefore assume since that policy was not in effect when confirmed, that the stay would not be counted towards the 1 in 4 policy.

    Can I also therefore assume I am qualified to confirm a Manhattan Club for anytime (provided of course If it is offered to me in a search and the 1 in 4 would then start from my next confirmation..



    RCI Response

    Hello,

    Thank you for your e-mail.

    Please note that RCI does not enforce the 1-in-4 year rule. Individual
    resorts make this decision and RCI must abide by it.

    Because you were confirmed into the Manhattan Club for the week of
    3/28/08, you will not be able to exchange back into the resort until
    2012.

    We appreciate your taking the time to contact us.

    Kind Regards,

  • #2
    Should this help owners who want to rent their week? They have less competition now. Am I right here or not?

    You can try other independent exchange companies like SFX or TPI or others as they do not seem to have this rule. How strange if it is the resort who determines that with RCI only.

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    • #3
      I would fight them over this. The 1-in-4 took effect in April of this year. Even your stay fell in before that rule was put in effect.
      Lawren
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      There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
      - Rolf Kopfle

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lawren2
        I would fight them over this. The 1-in-4 took effect in April of this year. Even your stay fell in before that rule was put in effect.
        The 1 in 4 took effect on March 21, 2008, OP missed it by a week.

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        • #5
          I'm guessing you have a better chance fighting City Hall.

          (Heck, I just assumed it would be applied retroactively in any event.)

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          • #6
            Originally posted by bnoble View Post
            I'm guessing you have a better chance fighting City Hall.

            (Heck, I just assumed it would be applied retroactively in any event.)
            It should be applied as of the date enacted. If the trade was confirmed prior to March 28 2008 then the rule should not apply. From all accounts this is what people are being told on the phone.

            It is not as if people aren't giving up good/great traders for MC weeks anymore.
            Lawren
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            There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
            - Rolf Kopfle

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
              It is not as if people aren't giving up good/great traders for MC weeks anymore.
              As RCI implies in its email, it does not enact the 1-in-4 rule. The resort does. This is because MC wants "new blood" at the resorts. The 1-in-4 rule exists to help the resort sell new developer timeshares to people who trade in. It enables more of the people who trade in to be new to the resort, rather than folks who trade in there repeatedly (like me) thus giving the developer a better chance of selling a week to them.

              With this understanding, it doesn't matter whether they gave up good weeks to get there or not. It only matters whether they were there previously, thus lessening the chances of getting "a fresh mark."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by iconnections
                Should this help owners who want to rent their week? They have less competition now. Am I right here or not?

                :
                Yes It does help Owners who wants to Rent, But Most owners that rent never had a problem renting befor,
                I rent at $500 over my MFs and never had a problem, at $350 per. nite where could you get A 1 bedroom two bath unit sleeps 4 for that price in Manhattan, Then there's the Location

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                • #9
                  It should be applied as of the date enacted.
                  Why? That would be nice, but as Hoc points out, this is just so the resort can get new blood for sales. Remember: this is a bennie that RCI grants resorts that do developer deposit. Such deposits are the lifeblood of any exchange system, because they balance out all the bonus weeks, allow "everyone" to feel as though they can get an upgrade, soak up all the truly dog weeks that even a mother couldn't love, etc.

                  The folks that were there in the last four years haven't bought in large enough numbers---that's why MC wanted the 1-4 put in. What makes you think MC wants you back?

                  It's not as though I think it's right, or fair, or just. But, given that RCI's real customers are the *resorts*, not the *owners* why would anyone be surprised? After all, owners wouldn't use RCI unless the resort used them as their primary affiliation...

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                  • #10
                    Remember it wasn't till the article a few years ago in the NY times when folks were bragging about picking up Manhattan Club with Sa weeks did they become dual affiliated. One and Four rule was just a matter of time when they realized exactly what you said many exchangers are not buying timeshares

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by brother coony View Post
                      Yes It does help Owners who wants to Rent, But Most owners that rent never had a problem renting befor,
                      I rent at $500 over my MFs and never had a problem, at $350 per. nite where could you get A 1 bedroom two bath unit sleeps 4 for that price in Manhattan, Then there's the Location
                      Sniff, I'm gunna MISS that location.....

                      Glad to hear you are able to rent for a nice profit

                      Edit - Brother C, can you now choose to use II instead of RCI or is the affiliation connected to what weeks you own?
                      Manhattan Club would trade GREAT in II - Marriotts, Westins, Four Seasons, Hyatts,,,,
                      Pat
                      *** My Website ***

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                      • #12
                        Pat,

                        I think II has the penthouse units at the MC. Every once in a while one shows up.
                        Angela

                        If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                        BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                        • #13
                          spoke to my gal Ebony at II . She says she hardly ever sees the pent houses

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by buff View Post
                            spoke to my gal Ebony at II . She says she hardly ever sees the pent houses
                            That's no surprise, really, they are new and very expensive and we have been watching for them here for quite some time. But fwiw, RCI VGs will tell you they never see the Manhattan Club, either, and we all know that's the line they are fed but the weeks are there.

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                            • #15
                              I called RCI once and asked if we could exchange one of our Mexican timeshares in PV for another one and I understood that the 1 in 4 rule applied to all PV/NV resort exchanges. In other words, you have to exchange to a complete different area.

                              After that, I just used the Last Call or Extra Vacations but Last Call seems to have dried up completely for the Buganvilias. We then found out that the hotel part of some of the timeshare resorts have good deals too so we have been using that in RCI and II too but why own a timeshare in Mexico if they make it so difficult and hard to make an exchange in the area you want to go to?

                              PS. I read the original post again and notice now that it is about the MC in NYC and not about Mexican timeshares and their idiotic exchange rules for the benefit of the developers for getting new prospects. Please delete it if you find that it shouldn't be in this thread.

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