RCI's response to my email - 1 in 4 and Manhattan Club

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

I'm a RCI Points member, only looking at booking 1-2 nights each visit as I live in Maryland, so does the 1-4 rule apply to me (as some posts said it doesn't)?

You can exchange through SFX and never have to worry about any 1 in 4 rule or other restrictions at any resort. I exchanged through them at Manhattan Club this July and am going again next year. You also don't have to pay any housekeeping fees or other fees at MC.

When SFX converts to POINTS and short stays we'll try to remember that John.

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

When SFX converts to POINTS and short stays we'll try to remember that John.

I was not aware that this thread was only for points owners. There are still some folks that own weeks. The OP was about the 1 in 4 rule and NOT points nor short weeks. You seem to have a problem whenever SFX is mentioned. I guess I will just avoid any threads where you are involved and let you guys complain while I go to the MC every year and don't pay any extra fees.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

I was not aware that this thread was only for points owners. There are still some folks that own weeks. The OP was about the 1 in 4 rule and NOT points nor short weeks. You seem to have a problem whenever SFX is mentioned. I guess I will just avoid any threads where you are involved and let you guys complain while I go to the MC every year and don't pay any extra fees.

John I of ALL people have no issue at all with any Independents. I am not an RCI defender and spend a very good part of my day educating people on the ways to make the evil empire function well for them, for reasons stated ad nauseum in prior posts.

It is you who has a chip on their shoulder. The OP origininally posted in MAY 2008. The POINTS poster resurected this thread 2 days ago. Since the question applied to RCI POINTS, short stays and the 1-in-x rule I hardly see where your post was warranted. SFX has a very high weeks quality exchange system. Using a week for 3 or 4 nights isn't a good value in most cases.

There is NO ONE-IN-FOUR RULE in RCI when trading points-to-points. The nuisance fees are exclusive to RCI. RCI Points as far as I know is the only way to get "short stays" at TMC from an exchange company. Fully understanding that there is a rental market, but given the MFs I expect the RCI POINTS alternative is the cost effective way to go about it.

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[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

I was not aware that this thread was only for points owners. There are still some folks that own weeks. The OP was about the 1 in 4 rule and NOT points nor short weeks. You seem to have a problem whenever SFX is mentioned. I guess I will just avoid any threads where you are involved and let you guys complain while I go to the MC every year and don't pay any extra fees.

John, you seem to have a problem of always mentioning SFX whenever exchange discussions ensue.

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

John, you seem to have a problem of always mentioning SFX whenever exchange discussions ensue.

Tony,

Hello, SFX is an exchange company that offers an alternative to folks that are concerned about 1 in 4 rules, extra fees, etc. There may be others that also offer the same but I have no experience with them.

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

John I of ALL people have no issue at all with any Independents. I am not an RCI defender and spend a very good part of my day educating people on the ways to make the evil empire function well for them, for reasons stated ad nauseum in prior posts.

It is you who has a chip on their shoulder. The OP origininally posted in MAY 2008. The POINTS poster resurected this thread 2 days ago. Since the question applied to RCI POINTS, short stays and the 1-in-x rule I hardly see where your post was warranted. SFX has a very high weeks quality exchange system. Using a week for 3 or 4 nights isn't a good value in most cases.

I wasn't aware that a thread got changed because somebody asked about points. If I thought it was about points then I would not have said anything as I have absolutely zero interest in points.

I certainly do not have a chip on my shoulder. I don't take any of this stuff seriously as I only participate as a form of entertainment. I really do not care what RCI/II does or doesn't do as it is not my problem. My system works fine for me which is all that really counts. If it stops working then I will find an alternative. I simply offer an option which people can ignore or not. It really doesn't matter to me.

Life is far too short to be worrying about timesharing which is just another vacation option.

[Spence Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Spence]

A thread was not "changed," but the exact topic sure shifted as often happens. I tend to agree that the cow chips always seem to fly when JWC/SFX come into the discussion at junctures where they have no relevance.

[alisakyoung Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alisakyoung]

OK, it was not my intention to have everyone in a quarrel over what I thought was a simple valid question regarding the 1-4 rule. I don't see how asking if the 1-4 rule affects point owners (RCI or not) is off topic, but whatever.

On an another note, what is SFX and where can I find info on it?

Go ahead start slamming the newbie!!

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Try our forums under "exchange companies".

[brother coony Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close brother coony]

You can exchange through SFX and never have to worry about any 1 in 4 rule or other restrictions at any resort. I exchanged through them at Manhattan Club this July and am going again next year. You also don't have to pay any housekeeping fees or other fees at MC.

JWC, Remember TMC is the one that inforce the 1x4 rule, so SFX may get you a reservation for 2009 but at check in the MC can say No Sinor,
I would say keep this tread alive and check to see if anyone was succesfull in gething in twice thru RCI weeks,or points, or SFX afther april 2008,

I think if TMC see a surge in sales from first time Exchanges they might enforce it more, I would advise have a plan B

[barndweller Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close barndweller]

I must admit that as a non-RCI member I am often confused by all this 1 in 4 hoopla. If indeed it is the resort rather than the exchange company that is instituting this rule, why then would it not be enforced regardless of which exchange company was used? Wouldn't the resort apply the rule to all exchangers who showed up within a 4 year period for a second time? Obviously from John's (and others on these boards) experience it seems that the rule only applies when using RCI. Why is that?

Just curious since I have no interest in going to any restricted resorts.

[mas Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mas]

You can exchange through SFX and never have to worry about any 1 in 4 rule or other restrictions at any resort. I exchanged through them at Manhattan Club this July and am going again next year. You also don't have to pay any housekeeping fees or other fees at MC.

This is what, IMO, makes the RCI statement, "we don't enforce a 1 in 4 rule, the resorts do" so bogus. From what JWC states above, SFX bookings aren't affected; there is no such thing in II, so this is clearly an RCI imposed situation, whether they admit it or not.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

OK, it was not my intention to have everyone in a quarrel over what I thought was a simple valid question regarding the 1-4 rule. I don't see how asking if the 1-4 rule affects point owners (RCI or not) is off topic, but whatever.

On an another note, what is SFX and where can I find info on it?

Go ahead start slamming the newbie!!

Alisa,

Welcome to our very informative but very dysfunctional family. Please don't take the post personally as they aren't meant that way.

Your post wasn't off topic and I hope I was able to give you an informative answer to your question in the middle of the mosh pit that we call home.

San Francisco Exchange Company has representation here. You can read about them and ask questions on the "Ask SFX forum".

[JWC Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close JWC]

I must admit that as a non-RCI member I am often confused by all this 1 in 4 hoopla. If indeed it is the resort rather than the exchange company that is instituting this rule, why then would it not be enforced regardless of which exchange company was used? Wouldn't the resort apply the rule to all exchangers who showed up within a 4 year period for a second time? Obviously from John's (and others on these boards) experience it seems that the rule only applies when using RCI. Why is that?

Just curious since I have no interest in going to any restricted resorts.

It is an agreement between the resort and RCI at the resort's request. SFX will not allow these types of restrictions. For example the Mayan Palace/Grand Mayan has a 1 in 5 rule with RCI and HGVC has a 1 in 4 rule. I have exchanged 3 times in the past 3 years into the Grand Mayans and exchanged 4 times in 1 year into the HGVC/Flamingo in Las Vegas.

The resorts are able to restrict the vast majority of exchangers as the lions share go through RCI.

[alisakyoung Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close alisakyoung]

Well, I'll let you know. I booked 2 reservations. October (1 night) November (2 nights, 2 rooms). Both were booked in 1/08. All were booked through RCI using points.

Oh yes & I booked/confirmed 2 reservations HGVC (Seaworld) last year even with the 1-4 rule (through RCI). So I'm also at a loss as to who if anyone really imposes this or is this a tactic to scare people from booking another reservation at the same resort or family of resorts??