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[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

These two situations are so clearly different that its not even worth debating. One is provided for by prevailing real estate law and the contract you sign, while the other is not.

[Spence Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Spence]

I am changing the titlle so it is correct

If you're changing the titlle you may as well change it from banned to closed.

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

If you're changing the titlle you may as well change it from banned to closed.

OK but someone beat me to it

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

OK but someone beat me to it

Threads don't get banned. Posters do.

[ebram Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ebram]

The Grantee(new owner) never signs the deed only the Grantor(seller). i have no signed written contract with HOA. Any signed contract of sale I have is with the seller.(not the HOA). I believe the only obligation I have with HOA is limited the value in the deededentity itself. Therer is not written cintract signed by myself and representative of the HOA.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

The Grantee(new owner) never signs the deed only the Grantor(seller). i have no signed written contract with HOA. Any signed contract of sale I have is with the seller.(not the HOA). I believe the only obligation I have with HOA is limited the value in the deededentity itself. Therer is not written cintract signed by myself and representative of the HOA.

As part of the sale of any timeshare/condo you accept the HOA as part of the deal. It is not separate nor can you buy without becoming an Association member and subject to the documents/rules for that operation. If you don't want to be a part don't buy. Once you buy you are subject to the same rules every other buyer is. And you are a member of the HOA if you like it or not. Looking for perceived loopholes to a decades old system and legally binding system of ownership isn't going to get you out of your obligations.

[mishugana Member Find all posts View Profile Close mishugana]

I guess the OP wants to be sued and have his credit rating lowered

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

I guess the OP wants to be sued and have his credit rating lowered

and have a clean conscience doing it.

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

believe the only obligation I have with HOA is limited the value in the deededentity itself.

No dice. The deed refers to the condo association documents.

Still not even remotely debatable.

[ebram Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ebram]

I am not afraid of being sued. A lot of people are sued. the courthouses are are always busy and half the people trere are being sued.
I as a TS owner have more liability from a personal liaility or polution claim if the TS does not have proper or let lapse the insurance. A good reason to put my TSes in a limied liability entity and avoid liability issues in the future.
PS I pay cash for everything I need and although I have a good credit rating my income and assets would trump even a bad credit rating.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

ebram it would be easier to understand your frustration, anger and anguish if we knew the story.

I think most of us here lean towards supporting individuals. Why would such forums exist otherwise? But if the facts aren't known we have to base our responses on what is given.

The only facts I have at this point are:

You bought a timeshare

You no longer want the responsibilities of that timeshare

You want to walk away from the timeshare

You feel that walking away after assuming ownership is no different than someone rescinding.

[ebram Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ebram]

First let me say I am not angry. The amount of money involved is trivial BUT I hate to be taken advantage of.
The HOA acts in the same way as the moderators Over Yonder. The powers that be(BOD in a HOA and Moderators in a BB) When they heard something they do not like the don't listen and do what they want(BOD) or close the thread(moderators).
In the BB case I stop paying for membership and I would like to do the same in TS.
I have 6 TSes and have issues with 2 of them(1 fixed and 1 floating).
In future posts I may go into details(I am to lazy now).

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

nd do what they want(BOD) or close the thread(moderators).
In the BB case I stop paying for membership and I would like to do the same in TS.

Great. Just sell it or give it away to willing taker. But walking away isn't an honorable way to handle it. No matter how you try to justify it to yourself.

[ebram Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ebram]

One of my Tses, the HOA can't give them away. Through inept,possibly(actually probably) corrupt managment the HOA now owns 40% of the units. as a result MF will go even higher resulting in more walkaways I could see it coming but my comments fell on deaf ears.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

I'm going to take Ebram's side on this one. Timesharing is inherently unethical and when dealing with the unethical- sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. If the HOA is not doing the job and can't be ousted why shouldn't one bail out.
Would it be more ethical to give a liability to someone else by selling or giving away the week ?