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    Cheap First Class Airfare Is There For The Taking
    That Is, As Long As You Know How To Find It And Book It

    Kirstin Cole
    Reporting

    (CBS) NEW YORK Krista Rosenberg has uncovered a secret -- flying first class at coach prices.

    "I was getting to pay the same amount as someone in coach," she said.

    What's her travel trick? A special type of fare most commonly called a y-up. And it's so easy. Online travel Web sites let users search by specific fare type. Instead of looking for economy flights, choose first or business class. If a y-up is available, the fare will automatically show up as the lowest rate accompanied by letters that are higher up in the alphabet like y, q or z. These are codes the airlines use to symbolize first class.

    Experts said there are tens of thousands of these fares and the leading airlines all confirm they've offered them for years, since the on-set of frequent flier miles. Because so many frequent fliers upgrade to first class, y-ups actually help carriers increase the number of paying passengers flying in first.

    Matthew Bennett, with firstclassflyer.com, said it could amount to some big bargains.

    "Full-first class can be double or more what a y-up fare can be," explained Bennett.

    We wanted to see how first-rate the deals are so we asked Rick Seaney, president of FareCompare to help us find a roundtrip flight from Dallas to St. Louis on American Airlines. The y-up fare is $278 dollars. That's nearly $1,500 cheaper than a regular seat in first class and more than $1,000 less than the most expensive seat in coach.

    “A lot of times the y-ups are matching some sort of low-cost carrier in a particular market," said Seaney.

    On a roundtrip Delta flight from Baltimore to Atlanta, the q-up fare was $638. That's $750 less than regular first class and nearly half the price of full-fare coach. That's a surprise to frequent flier Bill Griffith, who rarely sits up front.

    "I would never have thought of even trying to go first class," Griffith said.

    We showed Bill how to look and he found a y-up in just minutes.

    "My days flying coach may be over," said Griffith.

    In addition to sitting in the front of the plane, the y-up seats offer even more benefits. Experts said they're generally fully refundable seats and you may also load up on extra frequent flier miles for being in first.
    Angela

    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

  • #2
    Unfortunately, as loads have increased, these fares are harder to find and are on the increase (in price). Many feel the q-up and y-up gravy train is nearly over.

    For those who search for them, be careful with the fare basis. Some have a denotation, often a "N", which says "non-refundable", even on what normally would be a refundable ticket.

    I tend to fly on the cheapest upgradeable economy fare and use upgrade instruments (miles or certs) to upgrade, so I have little experience flying such fares. It appears, from reading FlyerTalk, that they are often used by business flyers whose company will not pay for First Class travel. Since the fare shows up as an economy fare, the accounting offices don't raise a stink about it.

    Lastly, during irrops, when re-booking is necessary, some travelers find that agent knowledge of these fares is variable. Some think they are economy tickets with a "free upgrade" based on availability, which is false, and attempt to re-book into economy on replacement flights or endorsements. If things go awry, be watchful of that.

    Pat

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    • #3
      I have never done this. But I have asked to be upgraded to first class at the ticket counter. They laugh so hard that I got away with it once.

      Any ideas on how to get this upgrade flying from LGA to MSY on Oct 6 late afternoon returning on Oct 9 anytime?
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      • #4
        No problem Frank. FareCompare has a search specifically for this issue.

        http://www.farecompare.com/

        Look for the "Y-up/Q-up" search tab at the top of the page...

        Have fun! Oh, and congrats on your op-up. We only got one once, when we were returning from our wedding in Hawaii. That was back when they flew 747's there. Nice

        Pat

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        • #5
          I don't think it worked for me but I will keep trying to figure this out.
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          • #6
            Remember, this is a fare, not an upgrade.

            Simply put, it's an economy fare code basis which books into First Class.

            This is only of use to someone who is looking to buy a ticket. It is also not "cheap". Most of my routings see such fares as double/triple of what I pay for most APEX fares. So, for an example, if I get a transcon for 250.00, a Q-up fare for the same routing generally is above 500.00 and usually ~750.00. Also, I tend to see such seats released for sale 5-10 days before the flights, but that isn't pervasive; it makes sense, though, given the marketplace it's geared towards, that being business travelers who don't generally make reservations far in advance.

            Pat

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            • #7
              These y-up fares are full economy fares, aren't they?
              I can't afford them.
              ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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              • #8
                Example:

                Code:
                Fare Details
                 
                Departing Airport	LAX
                Arriving Airport	NYC
                Departure Date	06/25/06
                 
                Note:
                The fares listed do not include airport and/or security fees.
                 
                Fare Basis	Airline	Booking Class	Trip Type	Fare	Effective Date	Expiration Date	 
                16 Fares Returned
                QA3UNL	UA	Q	One-Way	364.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                UAUNL	UA	U	One-Way	474.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                UA3NX	UA	U	One-Way	474.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                EBIZX	UA	E	One-Way	699.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                QUAUPL	UA	A	One-Way	749.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                ZUANX	UA	Z	One-Way	859.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                MUA	UA	M	One-Way	899.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                ZUAX	UA	Z	One-Way	1159.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                BUA	UA	B	One-Way	1246.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                YUA	UA	Y	One-Way	1396.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                Y	UA	Y	One-Way	1574.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                C	UA	C	One-Way	1860.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                FUA	UA	F	One-Way	1870.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                CUA	UA	C	One-Way	1880.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                FPS	UA	F	One-Way	2305.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                F	UA	F	One-Way	2329.00 (USD)			View Rules    View Routing
                Partial rules for QUAUPL:

                Code:
                FARE BASIS CODE
                QUAUPL
                 
                BK CODE
                A‡ -
                 
                PENALTY - NOTE
                1. WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS - CHANGES TO ORIGINATING FLIGHT - WHOLLY UNUSED TICKETS ARE FULLY REFUNDABLE. CHANGES ARE PERMITTED AT ANYTIME.
                Note the "A"booking code, which denotes first class. From reading the fare rules, this booking code applies to 2 class aircraft, which excludes UA's premium service (3 class) JFK-LAX-JFK.


                Also, see the "Z" fares in the list. These are discounted business class. UA operates 3 class service from LAX-JFK and back.
                Pat

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                • #9
                  How I wish I knew what I am looking at.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bigfrank
                    How I wish I knew what I am looking at.

                    ...... I don't understand it either. In fact, I'm more confused than ever.

                    I wish I could learn how to get decent prices on business and first class flights. If there is such a thing.
                    Angela

                    If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                    BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                    • #11
                      Aww, you all need an airline booking tutorial

                      Now that I'm posting such information only on TS4M's, I hope that myself and the other experienced airline people can make such puzzles seem like child's play, because they really are. My expertise is with United, but I'm sure there are others here with similar experience with other airlines, or the booking system in general.

                      Angela, the easiest way to get decent prices on business and first class is to become loyal to one or a couple of airlines and achieve elite status on those airlines through your normal flying activities. This is what I did. There's a whole different world out there for elite fliers. I'm strictly a leisure flier and pay for everything out of my own pocket, and I'm not rich, so I'm here to tell you it can be done.

                      Most everything you need to know can be found at FlyerTalk, but I understand that many here find the people and site intimidating, so I'll try over time to distill it down for you.

                      My wife's girlfriends are always asking me how I find the "deals" and I tell them it's really simple, but a lot of hard work and being willing to pull the trigger without hesitation when one sees something. That's their biggest problem, waiting for hubby to get home or checking their schedule or making sure the stars are aligned You gotta push the "purchase" button now...

                      I'll start some topics on this subject over the next couple weeks....

                      Pat

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spence
                        These y-up fares are full economy fares, aren't they?
                        I can't afford them.
                        Y-up's are indeed full-fare economy, with all the booking flexibility that such a fare provides (and, yes, expensive), but they book into first class, rather than an economy seat. With most airlines, a "Y" booking (full fare economy) earns a free upgrade based on space availability, but it's possible to not be upgraded if loads in F are high. With the Y-up (and Q-up), that's not an issue.

                        The deals are found by drilling for pricing discrepencies in these fares, IOW finding a Y-up or Q-up fare which is advantageous admittance into the premium cabin when all factors are taken into account. Learning to understand and spot such discrepencies is where the time and education comes in. I've been doing this for nearly 3 years now and am just becoming comfortable with some of the nuances. Perhaps folks here are faster studies, given their expertise in timesharing (which is very similar in the learning process)

                        Pat

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                        • #13
                          Pat,


                          I'll start some topics on this subject over the next couple weeks....

                          That would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for making the offer.....
                          Angela

                          If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                          BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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                          • #14
                            Does this mean we are now back in first grade?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bigfrank
                              Does this mean we are now back in first grade?

                              Frank,

                              I hate to tell you this, but I have a feeling we're pre-schoolers.....
                              Angela

                              If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

                              BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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