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  • AA/US ff program merger announced and it is good news!

    Generally when airline mergers result in mergers of ff programs in recent years the result has been a significantly downgraded ff program. We saw that with KL / AF, DL / NW, and CO / UA. Fortunately, the merged ff programs of AA and US will not follow that pattern, and will in most respects continue the current AA program:

    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...er-thread.html

    This is good news for passengers.

    One fear had been that this might result in a move toward the ''frequent buyer'' approach of DL and UA, but it has not. AA keeps a traditional ff program. I think this will probably be more appealing to mixed fare travellers like myself, who far outnumber those who travel for business only. In my case, business travel has accounted for between 60% and 90% of my elite status qualification miles each year, with the balance made up in leisure travel.

    Leisure travelers use price as a major factor in buying tickets, so mixed fare travelers will gravitate to an airline that uses actual miles rather than ticket price as the criteria for its ff program. The airline then reaps the benefit of my business travel which is at higher fare classes. A good example is an intra-Europe business trip I took last week. When we first started penciling in the trip, Skyscanner showed ticket prices on multiple airlines in the $300-350 range. As a leisure traveller, I would have booked then at that price. However, before everything fell into place where our travel department could book the tickets, the best fares had gone to $1,500 each. I took two other people with me. AA and its partners benefit by keeping mixed fare flyers like me insisting on using them for our biz travel. If they did not maintain a program that keeps me as an elite, I would not make it a point with the travel office which airlines to book me and those travelling with me on.

    Hooray for AA.

  • #2
    I did not even know the AA and US were merging. What happened to US and United? I am happy just for 1 less FF update I have to worry about. I love Delta for not expiring FF miles for lack of use. BTW I have found FF seats on Delta when ever I need them.
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    • #3
      Beginning next year, DL will base its ff program on ticket cost, not miles flown. If you are mostly a leisure traveler, especially TATL, that will mean less miles. If you are a mixed fare traveler, it will mean more cost for that portion of travel needed for elite qualification.

      The expiration issue is not a biggie. NW always had the non-expiration position, but when I flew them, I always had enough miles earned I never got close to worrying about that. That non-expiration perk was one of the things NW flyers lost with the DL merger, until DL finally restored it some time later. With NW, I always found TATL flights in high season when I needed them, and sometimes close to travel time. As a mid-tier NW elite, I also almost always got a first class upgrade on domestic segments. I was not able to use all my NW miles before they got milejacked into DL Skypiles, and I found it was MUCH more difficult to use them TATL after the merger. Prior to that time, I would never have used miles other than in high season, but after my NW miles became DL miles, I could never find TATL seats in high season, although I tried many times, unless I wanted to give them a lot more miles than the basic amount. I finally took low season seats for relatives with those miles, because that seemed all I could get with DL. I have found my CO/UA miles, my AA miles, and while they were around, my BMI miles. much easier to redeem. BMI was great - 9K miles for many intra-Europe R/T redemptions on Star Alliance carriers, and much better earning potential with hotel stays than any airline I have ever seen.

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      • #4
        With Delta I rarely buy a ticket. I have so many Amex reward points that I don't know what to do with them.
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        • #5
          Fortunately those using mostly credit card miles will not be impacted.

          But for those who earn miles by the butt in seat method, here is a good example:

          Take a R/T ticket from the east coast to Europe, fare say $1,200, incl. $200 tax and fee, distance 5K miles each way.
          1) under current calculation, a non-elite Skymiles members would earn in most economy fare classes 10,000 miles, the exact number of miles in the trip.
          2) next year and after, the fare minus the tax and fees will be multiplied by a factor of 5, so you would earn only 5,000 miles for the same trip

          Even a platinum level elite member has a multiplier of only 9, so they would earn only 9,000 miles on a ticket that now earns even a non-elite member 10,000 miles (and a platinum elite 20,000).

          The new system will benefit those buying primarily short distance tickets at the last minute. It is a huge detriment to those buying longer distance tickets farther ahead of time.

          Beginning next year, DL and UA will be awful programs for those who fly to Europe or Asia for business or for pleasure. AA will rule by itself for those flyers. The same would apply to those who travel longer distances within the US, Canada, Caribbean, etc. but to a lesser degree.
          Carolinian
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          Last edited by Carolinian; 10-29-2014, 03:13 PM.

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          • #6
            I hope AA won't be changing the redemption costs, or the cut-off dates, especially for low-season over-the-pond travel - as well as the ability to book 1-way tickets. If they keep all this intact, this is indeed great news.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Laurie View Post
              I hope AA won't be changing the redemption costs, or the cut-off dates, especially for low-season over-the-pond travel - as well as the ability to book 1-way tickets. If they keep all this intact, this is indeed great news.
              All of that seems to be intact. And that low and shoulder season reduction on milage redemption across the pond is great. Not as good as BMI's old 45K yearround R/T TATL redemption, but better than any other domestic airline, and better than anything still out there.

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              • #8
                Here is another good article on the combined AA / US ff program:

                http://www.frugaltravelguy.com/2014/...announced.html

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                • #9
                  All this works fine for me, yay!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
                    Here is another good article on the combined AA / US ff program:

                    http://www.frugaltravelguy.com/2014/...announced.html
                    So how will Million milers be treated
                    I'm permanent Gold on AA already but if they add all the miles I ever earned on US, I should really be in clover
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                    • #11
                      Glad to hear this news, I have always done well with AA ff program.
                      Pat
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