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  • United to restrict low-fare flyers to one carry-on bag

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/15/unite...ry-on-bag.html

    United Airlines will become the first big U.S. airline to limit low-fare customers to one carry-on bag that fits under a seat, and will defer delivery of dozens of planes from Boeing as part of a push to boost profits.
    The announcement on Tuesday could frustrate flyers who already feel burdened with airline travel restrictions and fees. United, the No. 3 U.S. airline by passengers carried, said customers who bought its cheapest fares would not be assigned seats until the day of departure, meaning people on the same ticket may be split apart.
    United will also prohibit these travelers from carrying on bags that can only fit in overhead bins, and they will not accrue miles toward elite status.

    The company expects the moves to add $4.8 billion to its annual operating income by 2020, although the figure does not include rising wages.
    Fare initiatives such as "basic economy" will account for $1 billion of this, as more customers pay to check bags or select higher fares that give them two "free" carry-ons.
    United's shares rose as much as 7.6 percent to $67.70 in early trading, their highest in more than a year.
    Billionaire investor Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway disclosed stakes in four U.S. airlines including United on Monday.
    United's latest moves appear to be the most restrictive yet, for a "basic economy" fare product, said Bob Mann, an airline industry analyst at R.W. Mann & Co.
    United's announcement follows Delta's decision to sell cheap tickets that prohibit itinerary changes and seat selection.
    "This action clearly shows how airline consolidation is eliminating choice," Charlie Leocha, chairman of consumer advocacy group Travelers United, said in an email.
    "Simply stated, this is an example of airline consolidation gone too far, with choice and transparency being wrung out of the system."
    Mann said United still had some way to go before it matched the profit margins of Delta, the No. 2 U.S. airline, whose margins are about twice those of United. American Airlines, the biggest U.S. carrier, is expected to launch its "basic economy" product early next year.
    Deferring Deliveries EFERRING DELIVERIES
    Delta and United hope to lure customers with cheap fares and upsell them once they reveal the conditions of the ticket.
    It is a practice they are using to compete with low-cost carriers Spirit Airlines and Frontier Airlines, which charge for add-ons including carry-on bags.
    Frontier was lowest for customer satisfaction in J.D. Power's North American airline survey in 2016. Spirit was not included in the survey.
    It was unclear if the move by United would prompt similar bag limits from rivals. However, airlines have frequently copied each other, as when they added fees for checked luggage.
    "Customers have told us that they want more choice and Basic Economy delivers just that," Julia Haywood, United's chief commercial officer, said in a news release.
    The boarding process will also be faster because fewer customers will be searching for overhead bin space, United said.
    Chicago-based United said it would begin selling the no-frills fares in the first quarter of 2017 for travel starting in the second quarter.
    Prices will be comparable to low fares it now charges for the economy cabin, but with more restrictions.
    The initiative is part of United's long-promised plan to rival Delta, which is more profitable and cancels fewer flights.
    In addition, United said it would defer 61 Boeing Co 737-700 planes originally due in the next two years to a date to be determined, reducing capital spending by $1.6 billion through 2018. It will convert those 61 orders to newer 737 MAX planes.
    The company also said it would buy 24 E175 aircraft from Embraer SA, instead of leasing the planes as previously planned.
    United said it would increase flight capacity by between 1 percent and 2 percent in 2017 from a year earlier
    Lawren
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    talk about adding to a delay NG
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    • #3
      Oh brother. Will this crap never end????
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      • #4
        Jeeze...might as well fly Spirit!!!

        Susan

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        • #5
          Originally posted by GrayFal View Post
          Oh brother. Will this crap never end????
          no

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          • #6
            I did fly United roundtrip to Bonaire (non-stop from EWR) and my return from London.

            My other flights were on Jet Blue. Mostly for costs and convenience ( the new non-stop to RNO and cheap non-stop RNO to LGB).


            Typically United is my trans-con choice because they fly in/out of SNA non-stop. I have been flying to the LA area for over 25 years and I can still buy a RT non-stop ticket in the $300-$350 range. I am not agreeing with these fees but I do understand them.

            It remains to be seen whether I continue to use United. My west coast trips are usually longer and require a checked bag anyway. Jet Blue gigs for $15/leg and UA $25/leg. The low fare/no seat assignment is the deal killer. More will be revealed in January when this is rolled out.


            ETA That I do NOT fly Spirit for these very charges/lack of seat assignment but I also don't have a long term FF account with Spirit.
            lawren2
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            Last edited by lawren2; 11-16-2016, 09:22 AM.
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            • #7
              Very Allegiant-like.

              We've been doing that for years, and if all you want to do is get from one home to another, it works.

              DW will be on her way in a month.

              (But, until then, it's party, party, party!!!!!)
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrayFal View Post
                Oh brother. Will this crap never end????
                It will end when enough people vote with their pocketbooks by refusing to buy the tickets.

                I think it also shows the importance of allowing the merger between Alaska and Virgin America to proceed, as that will create an additional viable coast-to-coast competitor in the US.
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                • #9
                  It appears they have learned from Allegiant. When Allegiant started charging for every checked bag, they got deluged by people with carry-ons, trying to cram them all into the overhead bins. We were on flights that took forever to board because of that, and ones that ran out of overhead bin space, so, at the last minute they had to "check" them in, and place them in cargo.

                  All we, meaning DW and our houseguests, carry now is the one, allowed personal bag, which has to fit under the seat.

                  It is getting more and more that flying is just to get yourself from one place to another, not a way to tote a bunch of stuff from one place to another.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                    It will end when enough people vote with their pocketbooks by refusing to buy the tickets.

                    I think it also shows the importance of allowing the merger between Alaska and Virgin America to proceed, as that will create an additional viable coast-to-coast competitor in the US.
                    It's the no seat assignment thing that has me most bent out of shape. I hated the People's Express cattle call way back when the earth was cooling and have gotten no fonder of it with age.

                    It could be argued that it is the continuous consolidation of airlines that is the cause of all these fees ( or at minimum why they keep getting away with it).

                    I enjoyed flying Virgin when I have. The LAX part, unless seriously discounted below SNA and LGB, has me flying United and Jet Blue. United just about owns EWR since the Continental merger.
                    lawren2
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                    Last edited by lawren2; 11-16-2016, 01:55 PM.
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                    • #11
                      So, until I see how this is actually rolled out, if I understand correctly I can pay the economy fare I now pay, get to choose my seat and can bring two pieces of carry on luggage. If I choose the new lower economy fare I don't get to choose my seat assignment ahead of time and I'm limited to one carry on (which is all I bring anyway). I'll reserve judgement until I see how this actually plays out.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Luanne View Post
                        So, until I see how this is actually rolled out, if I understand correctly I can pay the economy fare I now pay, get to choose my seat and can bring two pieces of carry on luggage. If I choose the new lower economy fare I don't get to choose my seat assignment ahead of time and I'm limited to one carry on (which is all I bring anyway). I'll reserve judgement until I see how this actually plays out.
                        You are right of course, until it is real and we can see pricing we are borrowing angst. Something I don't often indulge in any more.

                        This is from Flyer Talk:
                        http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...c-economy.html
                        Basic Economy (on sale in early 1Q17 for travel in 2Q17)
                        No seat assignments until check-in Seats will be assigned by the system and cannot be changed.
                        No guarantee of adjacent seats with companions
                        No voluntary ticket changes after 24 hour purchase period
                        Carry on limited to 1 personal item unless the customer is a MP Premier member, primary cardmember of a qualifying MileagePlus credit card, or Star Alliance *G
                        Customers will not be eligible for Economy Plus or premium cabin upgrades.
                        Customers will board in the last boarding group (currently Group 5) unless the customer is a MP Premier member, primary cardmember of a qualifying MileagePlus credit card, or Star Alliance *G
                        No combinability with regular economy fares or partner carriers. Interline travel is not permitted.
                        Tickets will earn RDMs but no PQMs, PQSs, PQDs, does not count for minimum 4 segment , no lifetime miles

                        I did read the 1 personal item as my laptop bag and I suspect this will be the same shell game as Jet Blue played when they began charging for bags. The fares stayed the same but you had to pay a checked bag fee on top of them. ~10% increase
                        lawren2
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                        Last edited by lawren2; 11-16-2016, 06:38 PM.
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                        • #13
                          On Allegiant, seat assignment can be done at time of booking for a fee, or when the boarding pass is issued, which can be done for free with an app.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
                            It's the no seat assignment thing that has me most bent out of shape.
                            I totally understand and agree about the seat assignment. That's one reason why I will fly Alaska, even on the few occasions when I have to pay some extra to do so. I do enough flying that by staying on Alaska I reach MVP mileage status, which allows me full seat selection at no added cost.

                            Which is exactly what Alaska is trying to accomplish with the program.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                              I totally understand and agree about the seat assignment. That's one reason why I will fly Alaska, even on the few occasions when I have to pay some extra to do so. I do enough flying that by staying on Alaska I reach MVP mileage status, which allows me full seat selection at no added cost.

                              Which is exactly what Alaska is trying to accomplish with the program.
                              I would love to fly Alaska more. We used it from Oakland to Kona earlier this year and will use it Oakland to Maui next year. I was excited to find they also fly to Vancouver, BC as we have a daughter there. But..............the flight times are horrendous. So we'll continue to use United for this particular routing.
                              Luanne

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