orange lake resorts class action lawsuit

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

[QUOTE=JLB;373201]Stick Orange Lake in here. Then try Westgate.

Know MO - Search consumer complaints

On the other hand, when you stick Westgate in there you find something like 74 complaints, and they would be in a relatively short time . . .the last five years . . . and no actions appear to have been taken against them.

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OLCC False Promises

We have owned OLCC timeshare for over 15 years and now they are trying to get us to go to points. Very strong techniques. I feel like they sold us something and now have changed the rules....feels like fraud to me. Any other similar comments or experiences??

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We have owned OLCC timeshare for over 15 years and now they are trying to get us to go to points. Very strong techniques. I feel like they sold us something and now have changed the rules....feels like fraud to me. Any other similar comments or experiences??

Sure, pretty much every timeshare developer out there changes things over the years. They'll call it enhancements and sometimes they are. Most of the time it's a way to churn out more money from existing owners.

Right now Marriott is on the verge of changing it's internal exchange system. DRI recently bought out Sunterra and changes have been made. Hilton's added elite status to their program and, the new builds are costing more in points to stay there when their salesmen use to make a big deal that points are points and if you have enough for a 2 bedroom unit in Orlando, you have enough for a 2 bedroom unit at any of the resorts in Hawaii.

Nothing stays the same and that's especially true for timeshare. Fraud is a strong word and, if you read your documents, you'll see that they reserved the right to make changes, therefor it's not fraud.

I look at it this way. In 1998 I purchased a fixed week, fixed unit timesahare in Las Vegas. At that time fixed weeks were more the norm. Over the last 12 years timeshare has evolved from fixed weeks that had to be exchanged through one dedicated exchange company, to floating weeks to points based exchanges to points based/internal exchanges that bypass external exchange companies all together. Somewhere along the way smaller independant exchange companies poped up as alternatives to the big two. RCI changed from a weeks based only company to a system that offers a points based exchange system. You can exchange timeshares for travel services other than vacation exchanges.

Things change. Timeshare developers are going to try to convince you that you have to change right along with them or be left behind. The fact is, if I bought that fixed week back in 1998 and always wanted to use that week, there's nothing the developer can do about it. I have the contractural right to use that specific unit for that specific week until the timeshare falls down around our feet. Their salesmen might try to convince you that you have to change but the reality is you don't.

Fraud comes in when they refuse to deliver to you what they agreed to in the first place. Not when they try to convince you that you need to buy something new. That's just decite. Sort of like a cable service provider convincing you to change services because they're cheaper, better or faster when the fact is there really about the same.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

We have owned OLCC timeshare for over 15 years and now they are trying to get us to go to points. Very strong techniques. I feel like they sold us something and now have changed the rules....feels like fraud to me. Any other similar comments or experiences??

Yeah, there is a lot of that going around.

Only a court of law can decide if it is fraud, and a court of law cannot be relied upon. Vegas probably offers better odds.

The train of thought would be something like a company's standard of practice would lead to certain expectations. If they were to change that standard of practice such that those doing business with that company would suffer a loss, without compensation, they may have damages.

What would have have to be proved is whether the customers suffered a loss, and whether the loss was the result of the changes made.

So, what financial damage have you suffered, and how is it that changes have been made have cause it?

[JudyS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JudyS]

We have owned OLCC timeshare for over 15 years and now they are trying to get us to go to points. Very strong techniques. I feel like they sold us something and now have changed the rules....feels like fraud to me. Any other similar comments or experiences??

Given the history of this particular thread (with a lot of acrimony, and some name-calling), I think you would be better off starting a new thread on the topic of whether you should convert your OLCC membership to points.

I'm not an OLCC owner, but I would say that if you are happy with your current usage at OLCC (and maybe even if you aren't), then the answer is no, don't convert. The resort can't force you to convert to points. As for the pressure they are putting on you, I suggest unplugging the phone in your room when you are at the resort! Or, schedule your "owner's update" for the last day of your trip -- and then don't go! In other words: Don't even give them the chance to pressure you.

As for whether it is fraudulent for resorts to try to get owners to convert to points, the answer is that LOTS of resorts are doing this, and none have been sanctioned in any way for it, as far as I know. Some resorts have managed to really reduce the benefits of ownership for people who didn't convert to points, but my impression is that OLCC isn't one of them.

Again, though, I am not an OLCC. You may want to also post at Timeshare Users Group - The first and largest online community of timeshare owners providing timeshare resort reviews, timeshare ratings, FREE timeshare advice and FREE Timeshare Classified ads! I think there are more OLCC owners over there.

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To add to my Post 109, deception is another element that might be necessary, keeping in mind that is just as deceptive not to say things you know to be true as it is to say things you know not to be true.

[Tian Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tian]

Orange Lake Resort Sales Pitch

My wife and I bought a timeshare with Orange Lake Country Club, Inc. in late Dec., 2008 while vacationing in Orlando, Florida. It was not until we returned to our home that we found out many facts concerning the timeshare purchase had been left out or misrepresented. We were given a copy of all their documents on a CD-Rom, which we did not have opportunity to read until we returned home from vacation and had an access to a computer by then.

After going through the contract and documentations in the CD-Rom, we found out that there were many unexpected fees in using the timeshare. Searching the Internet for the market value of timeshares, we surprisingly got to know that timeshare is not a real estate investment as the salesperson (Mr.Hicham Labiad) told us. By the time we fully understood what the Timeshare really was, our 10 days rescission period (which we knew nothing about at the time we signed the contract) had expired. Nobody at the sales presentation ever mentioned it to us. There is no doubt the salesperson intentionally misrepresented the timeshare as a real estate investment. We were not informated fees associated with the purchase, the costs of making reservations, cancellation of reservations, split week reservation, exchange fees and condo cleaning fees. We were also told we could refinance the timeshare and get a lower interest rate through our own personal bank and we could use the timeshare purchase as a tax write-off. We were told we could rent our unit to make profit or make up for the maintenance fees . We were misled to believe that the sale was final; that our points would never expire, roll-over points could be used without restriction ....
The sales person also told our (twenty-four-year-old ) daughter on the sales tour that she could bring her little dog with her for vacation in OLR. How wonderful that was!!! The salesperosn just lied, lied. .....

If we had known the truth about the timeshare, we would not have signed the purchase agreement.

Justice should be done!!!

We've been in contact with an attorney whose background, work ethic and reputation speaks for itself. If you are one of the victims, like me, who fell at the sales pitch at Orange Lake Resort, please email to etymology12@yahoo.com

Tian H

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Sorry Tian, but the same thing has been going on for 30 years now. We have sat through five lie sessions there . . . actually four and one truthful one.

No one who matters seems to care, or want to take the issue on.

You would think that with the Internet, and the thousands of similar complaints that can be easily found, that would not be the case.

The same thing goes on every day in my state, probably every presentation, and has since the git-go, and how many do you think have filed complaints with the AG?

PS: Most of the lies are not revealed until you actually try to use your timeshare, and that, of course, is well after the rescission period. Then it is a matter of fraud, and that is what no one seems to want to touch. It must the third rail of AGing.

But, on the other hand, if you tried to prosecute every industry that lies to make a buck we would not have enough courts.

Just as an afterthought, if they told the truth about timesharing, like that the $25K unit they are trying to sell you is just like the one on eBay that is getting no bids, how many sales do you think they would make?

[Tian Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tian]

[You would think that with the Internet, and the thousands of similar complaints that can be easily found, that would not be the case.
JLB, you are correct.
If I had ever found the facts on the Internet about the timeshare, I would not have made that mistakes.
The same thing goes on every day in my state, probably every presentation, and has since the git-go, and how many do you think have filed complaints with the AG?

PS: Most of the lies are not revealed until you actually try to use your timeshare, and that, of course, is well after the rescission period. Then it is a matter of fraud, and that is what no one seems to want to touch. It must the third rail of AGing.

I did file my complaint to AG. That was the first source I was looking for. What AG adviced me to do is to seek a private attorny for help.

[mlrm Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mlrm]

where is the lawsuit

My husband and I use to love OL. We recently were pressured into buying a second timeshare. We were lied to and just recently found out we were paying more than twice the amount we verbally agreed to. Are you still following through with the lawsuit?

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My husband and I use to love OL. We recently were pressured into buying a second timeshare. We were lied to and just recently found out we were paying more than twice the amount we verbally agreed to. Are you still following through with the lawsuit?

From more than 20 years of listening to timeshare lies, and all the stories from others about timeshare lies, there is little evidence that anyone who could do anything about them ever has or ever will.

But, try the FL AG anyway.

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That was beautiful , I went there with my wife and we experienced a lot of new things there.

Kinky ?

[rlmccoy2 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rlmccoy2]

My husband and I use to love OL. We recently were pressured into buying a second timeshare. We were lied to and just recently found out we were paying more than twice the amount we verbally agreed to. Are you still following through with the lawsuit?

I like to say that OL filed a foreclosure against me and my wife. Well we countersued them and because of that the court stated that there was enough evdience against them that they lost the foreclosure but we had to go to mediation. this is where they won. My lawyer wimped out. ButI like to say that if anybody needs to contact more people and evdience as to how much of crook they are contact me at rlmccoy2@aol.com. But do you know that their accounting departments has for years were over charging people for maintenance fees thus many people has credit related to their maintenance fees.

I really suggest that you read your contract because many of us out there really do not have a contract with OL but are being charged maintenance fees for something you really do not have a contract for.

[Ryne08 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ryne08]

Is the Florida AG still looking into the issue that timeshare is not true property like in a home and business real estate because when you turned your timeshare back to the developer or HOA you the owner do not receive one cent from this transaction?

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Orange Lake Stealing

Everybody,
If you bought into Orange Lake Country Club and Resort since 2002, for a unit that was not build or not completed and charge a maintenance fees for the year you could not use like 2003. And your contract clear stated that first date occypance can only take place after the closing date but the closing date is not until 2004. Then Orange Lake stole from you, specially if they did not give you credit for the payment and still charge you for maintenance fees for 2004.

If this happen to you or anybody else please email me at rlmccoy2@aol.com.

If you think about this then Orange Lake would have stoled more then $1.3 million which is a considered to be GRAND THEFT no matter how you call it.

Please look over your contract because Orange lake also broke it because of conflict. Also if you never got a copy of yout title insurance then in reality IAW paragraph 9 that you and OLCC do not have any contract thus they were to return all funds back to you. And in paragraph 12 it states that contract was binding to all parties.