Greed... It's what brings them in!!!

[shopgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close shopgirl]

I think we ought to start guessing what company this guy is with and see if he tells us when we are correct. Maybe we can make this one of those contests. My guess will include the name of the most obnoxious salesman in history:

My guess is that your name is Todd and you work for Vistana in Orlando.

Rude, insincere, thinks anyone who does not see the value of timeshare is a nincompoop, but you laugh when they buy and laugh when they don't buy. So none of your laughing is sincere and nice, it is all about money and your GREED. Kind of a devilish laugh.

We went to one Marriott presentation in Branson. I really enjoyed the guy, he was nice and honest and told us the truth about Marriott and that we would likely not be able to use a Marriott in Branson for Hawaii very often. I have never attended another Marriott presentation because I didn't want to take advantage of them and their free gifts when we had absolutely no intention to buy. I don't have animosity for those folks. But Westgate, Orange Lake, The Palms, Vacation Village at Parkway and many others, are fair game. They lie, you lie. It is all a lot of fun. I don't care what the stupid salesguy thinks when we walk out of the door. If he assumes we cannot afford it, so be it. That has been our excuse at times, anyway.

DVC has the product and the pitch. They give you nothing but a free ice cream and a day of fast passes. It was so enjoyable and Mario was excellent.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

I'm guessing Westgate- I thought I smelled Seagull guano.

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Hmmm, Mayan Palace?

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They would fit in with the crew at Orange Lake Country Club... That was the last Timeshare Presentation I attended (that was about 3-years ago)...

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

Hey that is no fair....Ken knows where the IP is located.....but without this 'inside knowledge' I would say the guy sells for Pacific Monarch aka Monarch Grand Vacations.....they know how to pitch heat and slime at the same time.

Prospects (potential victims) just need to know when and where to

This clown may be visiting from that Euro site.....the line sounds similar to several over there.

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Buying timeshares are like buying a car, you have to work hard to get a good price and then when you drive it away from the dealer, it has depreicated 25-30% in one day.

That is a great analogy!

[Bill4728 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Bill4728]

.....but without this 'inside knowledge' I would say the guy sells for Pacific Monarch aka Monarch Grand Vacations.....they know how to pitch heat and slime at the same time.

You are sure right about the high pressure tactics at the Monarch sales pitches. They know their prices are way too high, so they have 2 slimey tricks to still make a sale.
1. All the TS are EOY, therefore the price seems alot better than most all TS which are EY.
2. If you still say the price is too high, they will sell a completely worthless 72 pt membership, which doesn't get you a week anywhere or anytime in the system. These packages just get you 3 -5 days at the lowest time of the year. Also since you can't bank or borrow points, you'll never be able to exchange since you'll never be able to reserve a whole week.


That said, Monarch has nice resorts, all in or within driving distance of SoCal. The resale prices for their resorts and points can be as little as 1/10 of the developer prices. So, if you can look past their slimey salepeople, they may be a good choose if SoCal is where you want to vacation.

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Hey that is no fair....Ken knows where the IP is located.....but without this 'inside knowledge' I would say the guy sells for Pacific Monarch aka Monarch Grand Vacations.....they know how to pitch heat and slime at the same time.

Prospects (potential victims) just need to know when and where to

This clown may be visiting from that Euro site.....the line sounds similar to several over there.

Now, I guessed before I looked up the IP... I guess I am wrong however unless they have a ReAlLy LoNg commute to work!

[ISellTS Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ISellTS]

Ok I'm back. Been a long day. And no I don't feel . I told you earlier that I try to be honest with the families I talk to. Yes I do live off the commissions from my sales. But I don't pitch heat in any shape or form. But I do go to a lot of these sites and I see people griping and complaining about how they were mistreated at every ts presentation and how ALL TS salesmen were worthless pieces of crap only out for the almighty dollar. And thats not true. Timeshare works if you vacation. But I see people everyday coming in saying they make 40, 50 and even 60k a year just to get in, and in the end finally admit they don't make enough to be there. Now this is after I've spent 2 hrs with them when if they had been honest Id have given them about a 45 min presentation, gotten them their gifts and gone on to the next one for a shot at a family that would or could buy. But it's the people that go to 3 or 4 presentations per week that come in here saying how bad we suck. Heres what most people don't know. As a sales rep, we get 10 tours and if we don't sell 2 out of every 10 we get fired on the spot. It's called a 2 for 10. I tell my families this. Some care,some don't,and thats fine. But I try to be honest with all. Just like in here, I try to be honest, I might rant but so do alot of you. But here are some truths in TS... For all to know.

Maintenance fees increase ALWAYS.
TS at a beach location has higher maintenance fees because of weather. Hurricanes tropical storms and so on.
Points are not property ownership and normally they are NOT forever. Most expire afer a ceartain number of years. Disney, Fairfield just to name a few.
They say they're forever but read your contract they're not.
In order to own FOREVER you need true property ownership, (not points).
And last but not least, Not all TS reps are horrible people. Some actually care about the families in front of them.

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Last I heard the sales rate was 1 for 10 prospects and 10% rescinding rate. I Guess you have a lot of turnover in sales. As far as I'm concerned there isn't a timeshare week out there worth more than $ 8,500, so if I show up at a presentation, it's no sale. I like to do the presentations from time to time just to see how dishonest the presentation is, however it is difficult to get the Mrs. to agree to it. Not all salesman are dishonest, but it sure is hard to find the ones that aren't.

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Last I heard the sales rate was 1 for 10 prospects and 10% rescinding rate. I Guess you have a lot of turnover in sales. As far as I'm concerned there isn't a timeshare week out there worth more than $ 8,500, so if I show up at a presentation, it's no sale. I like to do the presentations from time to time just to see how dishonest the presentation is, however it is difficult to get the Mrs. to agree to it. Not all salesman are dishonest, but it sure is hard to find the ones that aren't.

Turnover in TS is skyhigh. And the highest price you should be willing to pay should be determined by a couple things.

1. Your age. The younger you are the more use you'll get from it.
2. What type of program it is. Points are not ownership and normally must eventually be increased as years pass in order to maintain the same number of days usage.
3. Amenities. What's available for use on the property.
4. Will your children use this when you're gone? If so, the amount you spend is not only covering you but your children as well as the begin to vacation on their own.
5. How much time do you spend in a hotel?

Example...

Average 1 week in a hotel a year. Average nightly charge $70.00. Looks like this.

$70.00
x 7 nights
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= $490.00
x 30 weeks of vacation
------------
$14,700.00 For renting a hotel room

The problem is a lot of people vacation 2 weeks a year. If so, you'd hit the $14700.00 in only 15 years with nothing to show for it but a bunch of reciepts. And with inflation, that dollar amount would actually be higher. So you really have to factor this in when determining what amount you should be willing to pay...
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I like to do the presentations from time to time just to see how dishonest the presentation is, however it is difficult to get the Mrs. to agree to it. Not all salesman are dishonest, but it sure is hard to find the ones that aren't.

I rarely go to presentations. The only ones that I go to are ones that I might want to own at , But I would not be buying from them. I want to know and keep informed about certain resorts.
I did in all my years have 1 or 2 presentations that were honest and treated me with respect. The Royals in Mexico knew they had no chance. She knew I belonged to these sites and she claimed to be a member as well. Anyway she gave me all the no pressure info I wanted even knowing that she was not going to get a sale. She did not rush me off and made me feel comfortable.

Ok I'm back. Been a long day. And no I don't feel . I told you earlier that I try to be honest with the families I talk to. Yes I do live off the commissions from my sales. But I don't pitch heat in any shape or form. But I do go to a lot of these sites and I see people griping and complaining about how they were mistreated at every ts presentation and how ALL TS salesmen were worthless pieces of crap only out for the almighty dollar. And thats not true. Timeshare works if you vacation. But I see people everyday coming in saying they make 40, 50 and even 60k a year just to get in, and in the end finally admit they don't make enough to be there. Now this is after I've spent 2 hrs with them when if they had been honest Id have given them about a 45 min presentation, gotten them their gifts and gone on to the next one for a shot at a family that would or could buy. But it's the people that go to 3 or 4 presentations per week that come in here saying how bad we suck. Heres what most people don't know. As a sales rep, we get 10 tours and if we don't sell 2 out of every 10 we get fired on the spot. It's called a 2 for 10. I tell my families this. Some care,some don't,and thats fine. But I try to be honest with all. Just like in here, I try to be honest, I might rant but so do alot of you. But here are some truths in TS... For all to know.

Maintenance fees increase ALWAYS.
TS at a beach location has higher maintenance fees because of weather. Hurricanes tropical storms and so on.
Points are not property ownership and normally they are NOT forever. Most expire afer a ceartain number of years. Disney, Fairfield just to name a few.
They say they're forever but read your contract they're not.
In order to own FOREVER you need true property ownership, (not points).
And last but not least, Not all TS reps are horrible people. Some actually care about the families in front of them.

I believe this tone is more appropriate. You have to realize something. The people on this Site know more about time sharing than 90% of the sales man out there. We have heard the story's and the lies many times before. I do believe that there are a few good salesmen out there. I named one above.
Thank you for taking the heat from our members and holding back from making this a brawl.

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Average 1 week in a hotel a year. Average nightly charge $70.00. Looks like this.

$70.00
x 7 nights
--------------
= $490.00

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I think you are off by this figure. I don't think you can get a nice room for under $100 a night plus taxes unless you are using Priceline which I do. The last rooms I booked in a hotel cost me over $200 a night in Italy.

[ISellTS Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ISellTS]

I think you are off by this figure. I don't think you can get a nice room for under $100 a night plus taxes unless you are using Priceline which I do. The last rooms I booked in a hotel cost me over $200 a night in Italy.

Well I try to keep my figures as low as possible because alot of people bargain shop for rooms. But even if you're bargain shopping, you can see how quickly the amount adds up.

[nursetanya1973 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close nursetanya1973]

Points are not property ownership and normally they are NOT forever. Most expire after a certain number of years. Disney, Fairfield just to name a few.
They say they're forever but read your contract they're not.
In order to own FOREVER you need true property ownership, (not points).

Umm, you are misinformed. I know that Disney does revert back to Disney, but my Fairfield and Hilton do not. They are both point systems and they are mine and my heirs forever, unless I don't pay the taxes and maintenance fees. I hold the Fairfield contract in my hand. And I quote, "To have and to hold the premises aforesaid, together with all the rights, privileges and appurtenances to the same belong, unto the said Grantee forever(italics mine)." The Hilton deed has similar verbiage.

The points in these 2 systems are backed by actual property which is listed on the deed.

Your statement in a later post about points no longer being worth what they were originally is also incorrect. Mostly. My points will always be worth the same at my home resort. I will always be able to get the season and size unit that I bought, in the resort that I own. But new resorts, or buildings at my home resort, are fair game. They can, and do, make those units worth more points. Therefore, I would not necessarily ever be able to get into that new resort with my current amount of points.

Oh and on a personal note, about the gifts, sometimes it is turned around. I went to a sales pitch at one of my home resorts per my request. I was not offered a gift, nor did I ask for or receive one. I just wanted to know the current prices and building plans. The salesperson obviously felt very "stuck" with me, and treated us very rudely when she knew I had purchased resale. She really went out of her way to let us know we had wasted her time. She obviously felt she did not get her "gift" from us.