Never buy a timeshare from Wyndham

[Glitter Brunello Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Glitter Brunello]

Next time, bring a copy of the Real Estate Commission complaint form for the state in which the timeshare is being sold.

Tell them upfront that the only reason you are there is that you want the free gift they offered for your time. Furthermore, tell them that you have no intention of buying and you are setting your watch to denote the 90-minute mark.

Pull out the form and tell them before he talks, you would like to take care of some preliminary business. Ask him or her their name and the Real Estate License number. Leave that form blank on the table in front of you.

That will result in a very short presentation and no hanky panky.

I love this one almost enough to try it!! In fact, if enough people do this, maybe the way timeshares are marketed and sold might even begin to change...

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

I love this one almost enough to try it!! In fact, if enough people do this, maybe the way timeshares are marketed and sold might even begin to change...

Here is the form for Florida. I'm sure you can find one for the state in which you will be touring.

[4ARedOctober Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close 4ARedOctober]

Is the gift really the goal here? If it is then why even bother? They aren't worth the time and effort in most cases. Why waste precious vacation time and get frustrated?

I go to get information to see if I like their system and/or property. Will I buy from the developer....doubtful....but I might if it were Marriott or another high end system...and even then....might. Will I make the decision then and there right on the spot?....no way and I feel that approach to sales is stupid.

If I try this approach up front then I will not get any real information....just a gift....and thus it is usually not worth it.

Now I would keep this paper in my notes and pull it out if they get nasty about it.

Next time, bring a copy of the Real Estate Commission complaint form for the state in which the timeshare is being sold.

Tell them upfront that the only reason you are there is that you want the free gift they offered for your time. Furthermore, tell them that you have no intention of buying and you are setting your watch to denote the 90-minute mark.

Pull out the form and tell them before he talks, you would like to take care of some preliminary business. Ask him or her their name and the Real Estate License number. Leave that form blank on the table in front of you.

That will result in a very short presentation and no hanky panky.

[salesmen_suck Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close salesmen_suck]

not worth it

Is the gift really the goal here? If it is then why even bother? They aren't worth the time and effort in most cases. Why waste precious vacation time and get frustrated?

The gift is definitely not worth it. My husband and I have been upset for days after attending this sales demo. I think what upsets me the most that the original gift from the timeshare company the 3 day 2 night package, I had no idea was from a timeshare company. I received it as part of a cruise and no one ever mentioned it was a free gift to attend a sales presentation. So we drive 6 hours to Williamsburg, VA and then found out what is really going on.

I wish I had that complaint form when we attended. Since we had never been on one of these presentations before we didn't know what we were in for. I won't need the form in the future, because the presentation is not worth it. We could care less about the free gifts which in this case were ($150 and a certificate for a 3 day 2 night vacation, which we are throwing in the trash). I'm sure many people go on these presentations just to get the gifts.

[opkansas Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close opkansas]

Free Phone Information

Should they threaten you, pull out that cell phone and dial information.

1.800.FREE411 (800.373.3411)

[mishugana Member Find all posts View Profile Close mishugana]

Next time, bring a copy of the Real Estate Commission complaint form for the state in which the timeshare is being sold.

Tell them upfront that the only reason you are there is that you want the free gift they offered for your time. Furthermore, tell them that you have no intention of buying and you are setting your watch to denote the 90-minute mark.

Pull out the form and tell them before he talks, you would like to take care of some preliminary business. Ask him or her their name and the Real Estate License number. Leave that form blank on the table in front of you.

That will result in a very short presentation and no hanky panky.

What grounds can i use if they get obnoxious when i say NO ?

[dvsorrentino Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dvsorrentino]

My wife and I attended a presentation this past week and I told the guy right at the start we were not buying anything, Of course he said that wasn't a problem, he was just there to help me. When he presented the papers which showed offers to me, I asked him if that meant we were done with this conversation since I already covered this topic. He was polite and had no problem with providing the $50 we were promised for sitting through his presentation.

I'm from New Jersey so I have no problem telling people "how it is". You just need to be firm and up front with them. You tell them you gave them the 30-45 minutes you promised, now it's time for them to make good on their end of the bargain. They knew that when they presented you with the offer, there was a possibility you would say no, and this is that possibility coming to reality. Deal with it.

[TimeshareVon Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TimeshareVon]

I have a different point of view on the TS sales presentations and FF "Owner Updates" (aka their attempt to get existing owners to buy MORE!). I often will do them if the gift (or cash) makes it worthwhile AND it won't interfer with planned activities during my trip. If you are in a large bullpen type sales room, if they don't listen or let you go when you politely let them know, just start talking about the great deals you've seen (or bought) through resale and they will more often than not hustle to get you out of there pronto.

Hubby has even thought about designing a teeshirt stencil that says "Why buy retail?" on the front . . . and "Just say NO!" on the back.

[dvsorrentino Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dvsorrentino]

I have a different point of view on the TS sales presentations and FF "Owner Updates" (aka their attempt to get existing owners to buy MORE!). I often will do them if the gift (or cash) makes it worthwhile AND it won't interfer with planned activities during my trip. If you are in a large bullpen type sales room, if they don't listen or let you go when you politely let them know, just start talking about the great deals you've seen (or bought) through resale and they will more often than not hustle to get you out of there pronto.

Hubby has even thought about designing a teeshirt stencil that says "Why buy retail?" on the front . . . and "Just say NO!" on the back.

This reminds me... Last year, my wife and I attended an "Owner Update" meeting down at Bonnet Creek because the gift worked into our current plans. At the end of the presentation they had this guy come talk to us who asked us if we had any intention to purchase more points before attending. I told him no, we didn't and we told everyone that right from the start this, however everyone assured this wasn't a sales presentation. He then got all pissy with us and told us that if we're ever offered a gift for a presentation with FF/Wyn, it's a sales presentation and we should not attend if we have no intention of buying. We went back and forth and I told him the issue is internal to FF/Wyn since they are always persistent in having us attend one of these and until they correct their internal communications, they will always wind up hearing a NO from me.

We've attended a couple of these owner's update meetings and there were really only two instances where things got heated. The above was one and the other was where the woman used the term, "This deal makes so much sense, you'd have to be stupid not to buy." Needless to say, I went off on her for insulting my intelligence.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

..........We've attended a couple of these owner's update meetings and there were really only two instances where things got heated. The above was one and the other was where the woman used the term, "This deal makes so much sense, you'd have to be stupid not to buy." Needless to say, I went off on her for insulting my intelligence.

Reminds me of an incident with HGVC only it didn't get heated.

In polite conversation talking about our vacation plans, I had mentioned that we would be taking a 12 night Med cruise the next year. Of course, this came back at me in the closing attempt. Why not take the deposit amount from the cruise, use it as a down payment on more HGVC points and then use my points to pay for the cruise (not the deposit, the entire price of the cruise).

It ended up being a GREAT way to get out of the presentation. She'd backed herself into a corner. I had already priced out the cruise using HGVC points and found the required number of points (and their cost) outragiously higher than the cash price of the cruise. So I told her if she could purchase that cruise in that cabin for those dates using points, she was on. She disappeared for about 15 minutes (I assume checking on the price/points the cruise required) and then came back with a, "Thank you for stopping by, we'll be getting you to gifting now" speach.

[timeos2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close timeos2]

You have no obiligation

This reminds me... Last year, my wife and I attended an "Owner Update" meeting down at Bonnet Creek because the gift worked into our current plans. At the end of the presentation they had this guy come talk to us who asked us if we had any intention to purchase more points before attending. I told him no, we didn't and we told everyone that right from the start this, however everyone assured this wasn't a sales presentation. He then got all pissy with us and told us that if we're ever offered a gift for a presentation with FF/Wyn, it's a sales presentation and we should not attend if we have no intention of buying. We went back and forth and I told him the issue is internal to FF/Wyn since they are always persistent in having us attend one of these and until they correct their internal communications, they will always wind up hearing a NO from me.

That approach is apparently part of the plan. They try to make you feel guilty for attending without planning to buy when they know full well you were lured in with soft talk and "no sales" misrepresentations. If we go I simply listen and answer the inane questions but always come down to why would I pay 70% or more higher price for points I can easily buy resale for far less? They always try to talk up VIP but its easy to say no VIP is worth $10,000 or more and we're not going to buy based on that. If need be we start talking between us saying things like "Wasn't this resort the one we saw on Redweek for $1000 last month? Why wold anyone pay $15,000?". Strangely enough the pitch usually ends soon after and we are gifted and sent out. I'm not going to feel guilty if they ask us to attend. Maybe our account has been flagged as the last two Wyndham stays for the first time ever we had no invitation - that has never happened before and I can't say I missed the "presentation". And they probably didn't miss me either.

[mishugana Member Find all posts View Profile Close mishugana]

That approach is apparently part of the plan. They try to make you feel guilty for attending without planning to buy when they know full well you were lured in with soft talk and "no sales" misrepresentations. If we go I simply listen and answer the inane questions but always come down to why would I pay 70% or more higher price for points I can easily buy resale for far less? They always try to talk up VIP but its easy to say no VIP is worth $10,000 or more and we're not going to buy based on that. If need be we start talking between us saying things like "Wasn't this resort the one we saw on Redweek for $1000 last month? Why wold anyone pay $15,000?". Strangely enough the pitch usually ends soon after and we are gifted and sent out. I'm not going to feel guilty if they ask us to attend. Maybe our account has been flagged as the last two Wyndham stays for the first time ever we had no invitation - that has never happened before and I can't say I missed the "presentation". And they probably didn't miss me either.

I guess you made their s list i Wonder how many more i have to do b4 i make that list too

[zdxlc9p6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zdxlc9p6]

Next time, bring a copy of the Real Estate Commission complaint form for the state in which the timeshare is being sold.

Is there a similar form/government unit for Mexico?

[mishugana Member Find all posts View Profile Close mishugana]

I was thinking which tshirt should i buy for wearing at a a weaselgate leisure resort presentataion ?

1 "I ONLY BUY RESALE!!!!!!

YOU GOTTA PROBLEM WIDDAT?"

2 "I ONLY BUY RESALE!!!!!!

I SAVE 75% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!"?

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

I was thinking which tshirt should i buy for wearing at a a weaselgate leisure resort presentataion ?

1 "I ONLY BUY RESALE!!!!!!

YOU GOTTA PROBLEM WIDDAT?"

2 "I ONLY BUY RESALE!!!!!!

I SAVE 75% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!"?

What about "WHY BUY WHEN YOU CAN RENT CHEAPER?"