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[Chap7 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Chap7]

I knew it was just a matter of time before some first time posting shill came out defending the company. I was actually suspicious of Christine's post right from the begining and would bet it was just part of the set up. It would certainly fit the pattern.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

... I've also had some problems with the ethics of timeshare involved dentists-

Tony you shouldn't talk about Walt that way.

[Erik Fitz Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Erik Fitz]

One rebuttal against my better judgement...

Posted by: tonyg
On: 03-17-2008 08:59 PM

I have a thing about new posters promoting a questionable company and I've also had some problems with the ethics of timeshare involved dentists- the last one was a shill poster and shill bidder on Ebay. I find it to be a bit suspicious that someone who got out of a timeshare would suddenly wander into a timeshare forum and make their first post praising a questionable company and Eric Fitz that profile.

Posted by: Chap7
On: 03-17-2008 09:21 PM

I knew it was just a matter of time before some first time posting shill came out defending the company. I was actually suspicious of Christine's post right from the begining and would bet it was just part of the set up. It would certainly fit the pattern.

Posted by: Jya-Ning
On: 03-17-2008 08:08 PM

I also find it is very interesting to have a some people claim he is a dentist, go find this site joint today and post the 1st post and claim like he has looking this site for a while and know what kind of people this site has while claim he has personal experience with the question company, and know all the detail about that company.


Against my better judgement I am going to address a few comments that were made (as indicated above). First tonyg: again speculating and drawing conclusions based on nothing but supposition. For example you'd be surprised how many people who own timeshare only read without posting. I still own by the way. I got out of my Wyndham but I still own another timeshare that is paid for that I somewhat enjoy. The fact that I saw an opportunity to help someone and decided to make a post means maybe I felt I had something to offer unlike you who seems to have a comment for everything but has nothing to say. By the way it is interesting that your website links promote vacations for sale and I have to be honest it seems like a conflict of interest if you use this site to promote your own ecommerce.

Next is Chap7 who seems to think that it is easier to believe that this was a conspiracy to promote The that the company might be credible and a good option for some people. That seems crazy to me. It makes me think that he is a plant from a timeshare company set up to post negative comments about any opportunities that may come up to stick it back to unethical timeshare sales offices.

Finally Jya-Ning who I thought at first was at least humble in his post but then he too became accusatory and critical based on nothing but speculation. I think it is unfair to judge anything or anyone that you have had no personal involvement with. In someways I see this as a defense mechanism of those who have been jaded and I do understand somewhat but at the same time we have to have some sense of resposibility to those who come here looking for legitamate answers and help.

I will probably not post again and that is probably what the timeshare companies want. It's funny how expansive the lies are that permeate this industry and how there seems to be a secondary line of liars set up by the timeshare companies to support the first line of lies at the resort or to at least keep people questioning the truth and thus getting nowhere. No wonder we are so confused and negative as a consumer group...Kinda sucks.

Erik

[Glitter Brunello Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Glitter Brunello]

Yeah that's us, a secondary line of liars set up by the timeshare companies

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Hi Christine2000! Be careful what you read on this site. I sometimes think it is run by timeshare companies and salesmen. Here's my story and I'm a Dentist.

It's interesting that everyone has something to say even if they don't know what they're talking about. This company saved my wife and I a lot of money so to see them thrown under the bus doesn't seem fair. None of you have had any experience with them but you're all speculating the worst. Calling them scumbags and liars without even knowing them is pretty sad. Typical of the negativity I find here alot. I usually just read and never post but I felt I had to speak up.

We were well past our rescission period (about 1 year) and I was fed up with Wyndham/ Fairfield They offered a warranty that said if they didn't do what they said I'd get my money back and they went to work on our case immediately. They don't approach it like an attorney would. Interestingly enough they guided us through the right way to prepare and present the information so that it scared the resort into taking us seriously. They helped us with details that proved misrepresentation and fraud. Details we kind of remembered but couldn't articulate. We worked with Scott and Michelle and they were extremely helpful and nice. They did all the paperwork for us and even contacted the Resort. I did pay $999.00 but that was the best money I ever spent.
A couple weeks later The Quality Control Manager from the resort called us and asked us some questions about what we had written then someone from the Legal Dept. at Wyndham called us and apologized and we were released from our contract. Mind you the sales rep tried to talk us out of cancelling and so did his manager but we let Scott talk to them for us and they didn't call back. We had to promise Wyndham not to send our other letters to the other agencies that The Owners Advocate had prepared us to talk to.

What I gathered from Scott and I'm no lawyer but I am a Dentist so I think I have some intelligence (except for when I bought my timeshare) was they misrepresented the product to us, made false promises to us, intentionally misled us and based on the info Scott helped us prepare they released us from the contract and refunded our money. Honestly it was stuff I think they knew from being in the business before and they knew how to relate it to the powers that be I guess. Anyhow I am off my soap box. I just think we should state facts to help each other and try not to speculate just in case we might be wrong.

Maybe Christine really needs some help. I know we did.

Erik

Erik your opening statement hardly made a good first impression on a group of people that share their communal knowledge at no cost to anyone in an effort to help.

IF this company does indeed provide a contract with wording that they will refund the $1k upfront fee then it may be something to be considered going forward. I am glad you found them and I am glad they were of help to you.

If that is the case I thank you for actually posting for Christine and joining TS4Ms. I hope that you will enjoy everything we have to offer here and continue to contribute.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Next time go with the better judgement. I promote the e-commerce of honest friends and sites. Two of us have been on timesharing forums for around 10 years and have seen many con artists come and go. We know not to trust anyone selling new timeshares or selling or promoting selling ways to get out of them- particularly in their first few posts. I wish I had the time to check Tennessee's state website to see if there really is a dentist licensed there with your poster name.

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Against my better judgement I am going to address a few comments that were made (as indicated above). First tonyg: again speculating and drawing conclusions based on nothing but supposition. For example you'd be surprised how many people who own timeshare only read without posting. I still own by the way. I got out of my Wyndham but I still own another timeshare that is paid for that I somewhat enjoy. The fact that I saw an opportunity to help someone and decided to make a post means maybe I felt I had something to offer unlike you who seems to have a comment for everything but has nothing to say. By the way it is interesting that your website links promote vacations for sale and I have to be honest it seems like a conflict of interest if you use this site to promote your own ecommerce.

Next is Chap7 who seems to think that it is easier to believe that this was a conspiracy to promote The Owners Advocate than that the company might be credible and a good option for some people. That seems crazy to me. It makes me think that he is a plant from a timeshare company set up to post negative comments about any opportunities that may come up to stick it back to unethical timeshare sales offices.

Too bad you didn't call him a Maverick, too.

Finally Jya-Ning who I thought at first was at least humble in his post but then he too became accusatory and critical based on nothing but speculation. I think it is unfair to judge anything or anyone that you have had no personal involvement with. In someways I see this as a defense mechanism of those who have been jaded and I do understand somewhat but at the same time we have to have some sense of resposibility to those who come here looking for legitamate answers and help.

I will probably not post again and that is probably what the timeshare companies want. It's funny how expansive the lies are that permeate this industry and how there seems to be a secondary line of liars set up by the timeshare companies to support the first line of lies at the resort or to at least keep people questioning the truth and thus getting nowhere. No wonder we are so confused and negative as a consumer group...Kinda sucks.

Erik

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

I think it is unfair to judge anything or anyone that you have had no personal involvement with.

Erik

Hi Christine2000! Be careful what you read on this site. I sometimes think it is run by timeshare companies and salesmen.

Erik

Glad you have the same concept. Interest though, the company you are trying to praise, actually cliam they are former TS saleman.

I also believe if you think you can help, you may want to state clearly what you say to scae the Wyndham off.

Jya-Ning

Sadly you seems only want to come to parise one company, and does not really interest stay to contribute your experence and help other people see possibility.

Jya-Ning

[arlene22 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close arlene22]

They offered a warranty that said if they didn't do what they said I'd get my money back and they went to work on our case immediately.

Does that mean they would refund the money if you didn't get out of your contract? or just that they would refund your money if they didn't write the letters on your behalf?

[Chap7 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Chap7]

If they are so certain that they can get you out of your contract perhaps they should only get paid on the back end and not upfront. If they are legit, they would probably get a lot more business this way.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Since this has come up again, let it be noted that according to their website this outfit operates out of California and the original poster posted from California. They claim that they are not lawyers and don't give legal advice.

[TheMichaels Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TheMichaels]

Fairfield Scam

A company I found online claims they can help me with --Cancelling a contract past the recission time and get a full refund?... has anyone used this company before? I found them online and they claim 100% success rate. It sounds really good because I feel that I was pressured into the upgrade of my timeshare from Wyndham, a year ago.

We owned at Star Island {Orlando} and Bonnett Creek. We were gold members and had just upgraded at Bonnett Creek (Orlando), within 3 weeks we were finally able to stay for a few days at Star Island. Of course we were required to go to a Members Meeting. Boy was that a nightmare! The salesman threatened us that if we did not upgrade again that we would never be able to use our points. Now, remember we had just upgraded at Bonnett Creek 3 weeks prior to Gold Status. By law they are not suppose to upgrade again in that short of time. But the sales person was threatening us stating that the agent at Bonnett Creek screwed us over, and that the contract needed to be corrected. Well, after alot of trash we finally got out of the office thinking that we had fixed everything. After going over all of the paperwork, and putting down several more thousand dollars, we were astonished to see that our new monthly payment would be over $950.00 and another $300 in monthly maintenance fees! We called corporate and cancelled this so called upgrade right away. Well come to find out the paperwork disappeared and we were past the deadline to cancel the new contract! So, we told them we would not pay another cent until this was fixed. To top it off we NEVER were able to take a vacation, other than the one to Star Island. We had booked a trip to Hawaii and a few weeks prior to our trip to Hawaii we called the resort and gues what There was no record of our reservation. THen after banking all of the points with RCI, I spent a month trying to go somewhere with RCI and guess what..No where in the entire world had any availability. We were looking for something close to a year in advance. Fairfield Bonnett Creek is now wanting us to sign over the deed and for our effort they are offering us $100 to sign the deed back over to them. No way! I want all of my money back or my vacation time!! On top of all of this Fairfield is giving us a negative credit report stating that we have defaulted on a mortgage!! I can not beleive this company!! Any law suits? Email us at BuddyandAngie@westgatemail.com

Good Luck to everyone who has been taken by this shady company!

[ATS Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ATS]

Most people trying to get help are under stress, lacking sleep and feel stupid and hopeless. All this makes it hard to make good choices; especially after making a bad one.

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[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

All I can say is that I am very glad I contacted The Owners Advocate. I am a pastor and I am still am embarrassed about my stupidity. But I am glad I worked with the Owners Advocate. I took a chance!



They were a blessing and I will recommend them to anyone looking for help!

Dear Pastor, Erik et al,
Please email me with the particulars of your refund. I have a fax and would really appreciate seeing what documents reversed the deal with a 100% return of your investment. Amazing.

By doing this, you will be doing a good turn for all of those who have been taken by shady salespeople.

Please PM me or email me. Just click on my user name you'll see the link to the PM and/or my email.

This way, too, we'll know you're on the level as you are a person of the cloth, yes ?

The BBB has them as joining on1/1/08 with an A rating.

[Beaglemom3 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beaglemom3]

I received a PM from ATG that was sincere with avenues to assess credibility.
I will share vitals from it with those who would like to know via PM.

The only thing that makes me very wary is the upfront money/monies required. This has been a hallmark of "take the money and run" tactics, historically speaking.

I leave the evaluation of this company up to the customer.

Still, caveat emptor.