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  • Don't Be Intimidated

    This article is for anyone that has been the victim of verbal abuse at the hands of greedy and unscrupulous sales people. Not all sales people are like the one in the following story but you should be aware that they are out there and how to deal with them. This is what happened to us.

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    We went to one of those Time Share package vacations over the weekend, three days/two nights on the beach in Florida. The only stipulation was we had to listen to a 90 minute presentation. There was no obligation to buy whatsoever. They had gotten my wife's cell number somehow and had been hounding us for months to do it so we finally said let's go and have a fun weekend on the beach. We got there on Friday afternoon and had a lovely time at the hotel pool. Early next morning we woke up and walked across the street to the presentation. What follows is what happened. It hasn't been embellished or altered in any way.

    The place was in an outdoor shopping center and it looked really nice. There was a sharply dressed man at the door greeting families as they came in. He did the same to us, warmly making comments on what lovely boys we had - we have two very well-behaved boys ages 8 and 3 - as he opened the door and showed us where to sign in. As soon as we did so, a nice man (our salesman) came up and introduced himself. He was going to be giving us our presentation. We noticed a large indoor play area through a large glass window with children inside. He ushered us to a door next to it. In that room was a small meeting auditorium with several seats all facing a wall with a screen. The room was pretty full with couples that had already signed in. As we walked in a large man said in a rather gruff tone "There's no room for children." My wife replied without pause, "They'll sit on our laps." We could hear him grumble under his breath but he said nothing else.

    At the front of the room a small, well-dress man was talking to the crowd. He was very funny and making everyone at ease. It seemed more like watching a comedy show than a time share presentation. He was very nice and poked fun at members of the audience but light-heartedly. During this, he made light of the fact that many of us were just here for the weekend package with no intention of buying. He said he understood that and didn't blame us. He said the only thing he hoped we wouldn't be was a person that would keep stringing them along, pretending to want it then telling them no.

    He picked a man in the back and had him leave the room then he told us all he was going to do a little experiment. He asked the man's wife for her place of birth, her astrological sign and the length of her hair. She didn't know how long her hair was and he wondered out loud how to measure it. My wife raised her hand and said she had a tape measure pulling it out of her fanny pack. Everyone laughed. The man in front couldn't believe it. He called her supermom.

    When the man came back in they asked him where his wife was born and he got that right. They asked him her hair length and he didn't know. She didn't know either and didn't measure, my wife made sure to get the tape measure back. He didn't know her astrological sign but then he said - "In all fairness, Astrology is against my religious beliefs". My wife and I thought that was admirable of him but some lady near the back said "aw, come on." Like he was a moron. Comedian said some things that were not kid-friendly - adult type humor - and my wife pulled out a portable dvd player and headphones for our 3 year old. Comedian was flabbergasted. "She didn't just pull out a dvd player did she? Everyone laughed.

    The comedian finished his act and left through another door but not before telling about ten people in the front row to join him. They were new trainees and he wanted to talk to them. The lights went out and we watched a ten minute music video about vacationing with the family complete with pictures of everyone having a great time and words such as family and togetherness popping up at key intervals in the music.

    As soon as it was over, the door he left through opened and we were funneled into a large room with several small tables. Our salesman found us and led us to his table. We sat down and he pulled out a binder. He began telling us about himself and his family. How he lived on a ranch, had two kids, two dogs and two horses as well as another, home business.

    The comedian came around with one of the trainees, a young woman, and sat her at our table. He said she was new and we couldn't ask her questions - jokingly. She was just observing. He then left. She introduced herself and sat quietly, politely smiling as our main guy began up again.

    After introductions and pleasantries, our salesman asked us if we were interested in buying. My wife doesn't lie and said that we weren't interested in buying, that we were only here for the weekend package. He was nice to us. He asked if we had done time share presentations before to which my wife replied yes we have done a few. He said, so your timeshare veterans? We said sure, you can call us that.

    Comedian walked by and our guy mentioned, "We have timeshare veterans here." The way he mentioned it appeared like he was pleasantly looking to see if comedian could help him. - Comedian was also the regional director for the entire company and a really good talker. What happened next made both our salesman's eyes and the trainee's go wide with shock.

    Comedian: "Why would you do that to your kids? I would never subject my kids to 90 minutes to 6 hours of this."

    My wife: "We're not going to be here 6 hours. We agreed in the contract to listen to the presentation for 90 minutes, anything after that and we are being held hostage."

    Comedian: (smile fades - slight anger) "I've only been talking to you for a few moments and you're accusing me of holding you hostage?"

    My wife: "I didn't say that. I said it would be."

    Comedian: (anger growing) "What do you do for a living?"

    My wife: "I'm a stay at home mom."

    Comedian: "No, what do you do for a living?"

    My wife didn't reply to him.

    Comedian: (turning toward me) "What does she do for a living?"

    Me: "She already told you. She's a stay at home mom."

    Comedian: "That's not a job."

    Me: "Yes it is."

    At this point our guy and the trainee look like they've been slapped in the face. They are both wide-eyed and silent.

    Comedian: (to my wife) "Why are you here, wasting these peoples time? They have to make a living. They have to feed their families."

    My wife: We are not wasting anyone's time. We signed up to listen to the presentation and there was no obligation to buy whatsoever."

    Comedian: "So what are you? Some kind of mooch?"

    My wife: (contemplates) "Well, if you want to call me that, then yes."

    Comedian: "I never called you that."(anger rising again) "Tell me, were you abused as a child?"

    My wife: "I am being abused. You're abusing me right now."

    Comedian: (furious) "Get out. We're done here. No one accuses me of abusing them. I lost my wife to lymphoma cancer two years ago. I've had to raise my son all by myself. Get out of here."

    My wife: (calmly) "No."

    Comedian: "What!"

    My wife: "We are not leaving until you give us what you promised us."

    Comedian: "You're not getting anything! Get out now!"

    At this point, other families at tables near us are looking. Our salesman and trainee are both so wide-eyed I think their eyes are going to fall out. We just sit there calm on the outside, adrenalin pumping on the inside.

    Comedian: "You don't want to go to this level with me."

    We just sit there.

    Comedian: (to our salesman) "Call the police!"

    We just sit there.

    Comedian: "Call the police right now. I want them out of here!"

    Our salesman stares at us in fear and shock. He does nothing.

    Comedian: "I'm calling the police. You will be arrested for trespassing if you don't leave now!"

    My wife: "We'll wait for the police. I don't feel safe near you. I want the police here."

    Comedian: (boiling inside - trying to keep it under control as he sees others looking) "Lady, you're a shining example to your kids! You should be ashamed of yourself!"

    My wife: "Are you trying to shame me into buying? You're trying to bully us? You're the one trying to change things around, saying I accused you etc. You've changed this into something ugly, not me. You're the one who should be ashamed."

    Comedian (to our salesman and trainee) "Get up! We're done here. They can wait for the police."

    We politely sat at the table for about a minute. Our salesman came back and asked us shakily if we wanted to see the property. We replied sure.

    As we stood up, my wife said "Sit down." She suddenly had a thought that they would get us to the door and throw us out. She talked to our salesman in a nice calm tone. "We want what we were promised, now. Then we'll tour the timeshare." He looked at us confused then asked us to wait a moment. He left and came back then said, "We can do that." He took us into another room and we were given the certificates we were promised. We then toured the timeshare with him. That was pleasant although he was still a little dazed and confused. At the end, he asked us if we were interested and I said that even though my wife wasn't interested, I was on the fence. Comedian had killed any hope of a sale with his immature, ignorant and vicious remarks. Our salesman kept apologizing for comedian's behavior telling us he had no idea the man would behave that way. We told him that we had no issues with him.

    We came back to the table room and he found the local boss - the nice man that had greeted us at the door. That man shooed him away telling him to get rid of us. What a turn around. We left and enjoyed the rest of our weekend on the beach. The next day, we were driving through the parking lot of the timeshare place. There were many families walking to the timeshare resort and we saw our salesman walking. He saw us and immediately turned away. He couldn't look us in the face.

  • #2
    What a nightmare! We have never done a presentation, and now we may never!

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    • #3
      Now you will sign for the $20,000 purchase comrade

      Not at all typical to have things get that nasty. Unless you're at Wastegate of course. Then that would have been a lighthearted romp rather than the real pressure presentation they usually do.

      Effective way to sell, eh?

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      • #4
        Sometimes Happens

        Sounds like an experience Rita and I had in New Orleans several years ago. Fortunately, there is no way a loud mouthed boor can intimidate me.
        M. Henley

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        • #5
          Our experience was nothing like that, but the basic format of very personable sales people with aggressive, unpleasant senior staff ring true. We were actually staying at Orange Lake although the story isn't about that resort.
          We had used 2 days of 4 day Disney passes and the guy at one of the booths in Kissimmee bought them off us. He asked if we were interested in free Universal tickets. I laughed and said "Nothing's free, where's the timeshare presentation?" I was right of course, but as the resort was literally a mile or so down from OL and fairly early in the day, we decided to go along. We had a great sales guy and we made it clear to him from the start that we were only there for the tickets and although potentially interested in more t/s we would only buy in the UK. He explained that we would have to sit through the presentation and tour for the freebies although in fact we spent the presentation time chatting about places we and he had been on holiday. We also viewed the resort, which was fantastic.
          He then took us back into the main room where we were joined by a guy who looked like an extra from "Miami Vice" (remember that show??) All smarm and false charm. Nice as you like until we said we weren't buying, no matter the price had fallen from $8,200 to $2,800 (yes really). His attitude changed immediately and he turned to the sales guy, said "Get them out of here" and turned on his heel.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by M. Henley View Post
            Sounds like an experience Rita and I had in New Orleans several years ago. Fortunately, there is no way a loud mouthed boor can intimidate me.
            Spoken like a man who has successfully handled boars for many years,

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            • #7
              Westgate called me on my cell today don't know how they got my number. Told me I filled out a vacation request to go there. I said no, then they told me my wife did.

              They quickly hung up the phone. They are ruthless

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              • #8
                The best description of the timeshare tour racket I heard was from someone in the business in Mexico.
                They call it "Buy or Cry"

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                • #9
                  that's rough

                  Not worth it in my opinion.

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                  • #10
                    What A Sales Slaughter

                    Wow!
                    That was very harsh.
                    First off, if a company gets a hold of your
                    cell number without your permission, I
                    believe (if I remember right), that that's
                    illegal. (I believe it's because you're paying
                    for the minuets) and that would really suck.

                    Second, for the comedian to care if weather
                    or not your wife's job was staying at home,
                    What's it to him?

                    I think the guy is an absolute idiot for bulling
                    you like that.

                    I feel really sorry for your sales man who was
                    in charge of showing you around.
                    the comedian absolutaly ruined it for him.

                    That guy may be talented at being funny, but
                    he sure isn't good at selling, convincing, or being
                    of any help, like a friend would.

                    #1 reason why his bulling didn't work, was because
                    he let you know emediatley, that he wasn't your
                    friend.
                    So, why would you buy from him?
                    Of course you wouldn't. Who would? I wouldn't.

                    I really don't quite know where they get their
                    sales tacktics, but they really don't know what
                    they're doing.

                    I think your wife did the right thing too.
                    She's a fighter. In a calm, modest way.
                    I'm like that too.

                    These companies know that they get people,
                    99% of the time, who don't want anything to
                    do with a timeshare, offer them a free gift, and
                    get mad for people taking the gifts.

                    Then, they get mad because they find out
                    you are "one of them."

                    I honestly think these sales men missed the
                    idea of what a sales man really is.

                    A sales man, is someone who has connections
                    with a product or service, and basically
                    mentors, pursways, and helps you figgure
                    out, if what he offers is something, you could
                    use. And basically, becomes your friend
                    during the process.

                    These men did it completely the wrong way
                    (the hard way).

                    And if you notice, many companies do this all
                    the time. No wonder the economy is so bad.
                    No one really knows how to sell!

                    Anyways, I could only emagine what
                    adrenelen could have been pumping through
                    your veigns.

                    Even though I was not appart of the action in
                    this, I would like to say, I'm sorry to hear
                    such a sales slaughter.

                    Boy, I could almost see blood in this one.

                    Hope this doesn't happen again.
                    good luck.

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                    • #11
                      I actually want to go back to this guy again. I can just see his face as we walk in for another presentation. That alone would be worth it. lol

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                      • #12
                        You would think that after 25+ years they would learn how to treat people. They seem to forget that THEY sent out the cards or THEY mad the phone calls and they always say, " you don't have to buy a thing. "I have been to several over the years and they don't change much. They WILL give me the free stuff or I call the police!

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                        • #13
                          We had a similarly ugly experience in the Bahamas with Royal Holiday. They think that once they have pegged you as a "just there for the freebies" person, they can shock you with their rudeness into leaving without the gift. It's all about keeping their expenses down. I bet it works most of the time. Good for you for insisting on receiving what you were promised. Next time you will probably decide whatever they are offering is not worth the aggravation!
                          ~Arlene

                          "The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page."
                          - St. Augustine

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                          • #14
                            Wow, all I can say is wow. We've been to sales presentations where we purchase, and some where we didn't. No one was ever even close to that rude.

                            Edie

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                            • #15
                              Nobody messes to much with me. We usually end up talking about where we've been or where we want to go. I'm always upfront telling them I will not buy. Somewhere near the beginning I ask them if they know about ts4ms or tug and if they don't I tell them about us. I also mention I am a moderator and do travel tales, or about my experiences on vacation. I sincerely hope it will be a "pleasant review". That's what you call turning the tables.

                              The rudest I've ever been treated was at the HGVC in Las Vegas. Even though I was staying there thru an exchange they wouldn't let me take the tour as and I quote " I'm sure you don't make $65K a year!! Even if I didn't I could have hit a jackpot. shaggy

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