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New Timeshare Owner - Did I make the Right Decision? (Should I Rescind/Cancel?)

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  • #16
    You have absolutely nothing to lose by recinding this contract - you can always go back and buy it later if you want (and you won't want to, believe me). No matter what a saleperson says about "only available today" etc. it is simply not true (like a lot of other stuff they say).

    Thank you all for your help in this matter. It seemed like I was getting a good deal being that I had a nice resort home with 2 lockout bedrooms to stay.
    The resort may be lovely but the developer price is exorbitant, especially since timeshare owners are lined up to sell identical units for $1 on ebay.

    But if I didn't stay there, then I could trade my 1 week in a 2 bedroom for 2 weeks in a 1 bedroom.
    Exchanging timeshares is a complicated business, and the unit you want may not be available when you want it, or others may have already booked it, or others may have a higher trading power than you do. You need to take some time to learn about exchanging timeshares before making any purchase.

    And the way they explained it made sense regarding the cash you normally spend in vacations just gets thrown away like renting,
    Don't forget you will be spending a sizable amount of money on maintenance fees every year, and the fees will go up every few years, I guarantee it. You can rent for the cost of maintenance fees or just a bit more almost anywhere

    but the cash spent on a timeshare gets invested in reality in your week you own. [/I]
    A timeshare is not like real estate that may (or may not) increase in value over the years. It will only decrease in value if you pay developer prices. Too many people want to get out from under the yearly obligation of paying maintenance fees and are willing to give the timeshare away in order to do that.

    So it's basically like a guaranteed week of vacation at a big reduced price in a gold crown resort for the rest of our lives.
    Guaranteed week yes, reduced price definitely not when you take into account maintenace fees and the develope price.

    But if we didn't have a chance to use the week, we could rent it to someone and make money off of it, which could be an investment because if it only costs me say about $300 for a week,
    The week will cost you well over $300, taking into account, say, 1/25 of the developer price plus (yes I've said it before) maintenace fees.

    I could charge someone about $800 and make $500 off the deal and they would still get the resort cheaper through me than by themselves.
    Most renters make just a little more than maintenance fees unless they have a very desirable week during a very desirable time frame. Orland is way overbuilt and would not be easy to rent for "big bucks".

    But experience is everything when it comes to life and the decisions we make. I respect your experience in this matter. It sounds like we might not even be able to get our exchange weeks in Italy like we hoped for our honeymoon.
    You would have to put in a request for Italy very early and get very lucky - there is way more demand than supply for Italy timeshare units. A much more practical idea is to rent, as a previous poster suggested.

    It just sound nice to be able to take a weeks vacation to anywhere in the world for only $199 exchange fee.
    Yes is is nice to take a vacation every year for a percentage of the original cost AND the maintenance fees AND the exchange fee AND the annual exchange company membership fee. I won't get into a more complicated analysis of the loss associated with not investing the money instead.

    So this couldn't be looked at as an investment?

    Only an investment in heartache. Please take your time to investigate this very complicated topic.

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    • #17
      Thank you everyone for your very valuable and precise advise on this issue. After lots of research within the past 10 days of purchase and reading all of the posts from everyone, I submitted my paperwork and sent back the books and CD to the company to cancel my contract agreement. Like I said before, experience is very valuable in life, and I can't say thank you enough for this forum to be available to new inexperienced timeshare owners like myself to help guide us through our questions and concerns. Thank you for taking your time to post up a response to help me, especially those who have over 500, 1000 and even over 3000 posts on this site. Thanks to you I was able to realize that this was a mistake no matter what the salesperson suckered me into believing, and was able to cancel my contract yesterday afternoon on the 9th day post sale before my 10 day day grace period was over before I was "stuck."

      -Jason

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jasonf View Post
        Thank you everyone for your very valuable and precise advise on this issue. After lots of research within the past 10 days of purchase and reading all of the posts from everyone, I submitted my paperwork and sent back the books and CD to the company to cancel my contract agreement. Like I said before, experience is very valuable in life, and I can't say thank you enough for this forum to be available to new inexperienced timeshare owners like myself to help guide us through our questions and concerns. Thank you for taking your time to post up a response to help me, especially those who have over 500, 1000 and even over 3000 posts on this site. Thanks to you I was able to realize that this was a mistake no matter what the salesperson suckered me into believing, and was able to cancel my contract yesterday afternoon on the 9th day post sale before my 10 day day grace period was over before I was "stuck."

        -Jason
        Good for you! Now have fun planning your honeymoon.

        Stick around and learn more if you think timeshare might be for you. As Grayfal pointed out, most of us do love timesharing

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        • #19
          I made a HUGH mistake, and I should know better...

          Wyndham Grand Smokies Lodge... Revocation
          ________________________________________
          We had a "customer account" meeting on our last day, and were told it would take less then half an hour. Well, next thing, we are told there are issues with our deed at La Belle Mason New Orleans, and they advised we get out of that deed quick. Stated the agreement was showing "No Trade", and "Do Not Restructure". Asked if we had gotten notice of this. Of course we had not.
          Well, they offered to convert our bi-annual 210K points to 300K in Nashville. Were going to give us current market value on our property, etc...
          Long story short, we signed on April 22, and today (the 26th) we are sending out a revocation letter. We decided the "great deal" wasn't so great, and that the issues with our deed were not an honest representation (he lied).
          Tennessee law allows 15 days to cancel the contract. I sent to our customer service rep, as a courtesy, that we were cancelling the contract. We spoke on the phone last evening, and he was fine. Well, his boss called today. Told me we would have to pay for the processing of our trade in property, and threw out a figure of $7800. I was like, you have got to be kidding. He said it was based on their appraising our property at, get this..., $41000. I asked where on the contract it showed this, and he stated on the contract it showed the equity amount, not what they supposedly appraised it for. I asked if he understood what a Revocation letter to cancel a contract was under Tennessee law. He stumbled a bit, and I then stated that I was meeting with my lawyer in about an hour to review the contract, complete the notarized revocation letter, and it would be sent via USPS Certified Mail with delivery receipt to not only the Las Vegas office, but to their Owner Services office in Orlando, the finance office in Las Vegas, and the Sales office in Sevierville, TN. And then stated that as a Wyndham owner for over 7 years, I would not push this issue. He stated he would send me an e-mail to confirm where to send everything (the owner's start-up kit and tote bag, the envelope of contracts, etc..). He did say I could keep the $25 AMEX gift card and the hats he gave us, and I asked him to confirm that in writing.

          Will let you all know how I make out. As of this afternoon, which is day 4, I have provided a very complete letter to all 4 locations as I stated above, plus sent the starter kit back to Wyndham... I'm sure there will be some charges that will have to be credited, etc... but I've had it with Wyndham meetings. For now on, I will tell them I'm there for vacation, not for a meeting. And I own 2 secondary market Wyndham properties (paid $104 for the 2!!!). Stupid, stupid, stupid...

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          • #20
            Carlroyer-

            Don't beat yourself up, those weasels are good at their jobs. Sounds like you've done all you can in terms of revocation. Keep us posted.

            La Belle Maison is one of my favorite timeshares, I hope you get to enjoy it. I'm curious, though... is that one that you bought resale, which is why they were trying to tell you there's a problem with your deed? Interesting trick, if so.

            Another good lesson here -- it probably doesn't pay to give the resort the courtesy of verbal notice of cancelation. It's a courtesy that doesn't seem to get returned, and is likely to just lead to more aggravation.

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            • #21
              Congratulations to both of you for doing further research during the time that you can still rescind your contract legally and taking action too. You will find another timeshare later for a lot less money, if you want to go that route.

              This thread should be a sticky so we can refer to it quickly if someone else asks for similar help. This happens all the time.

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              • #22
                Well, all of my letters have been mailed, and the PO even photo copied the tops of the priority envelopes for me with the date stamps on the postage, and gave me the certified reciepts with full addresses, and also the reciept with the zip codes, dated, and stamped.

                Also if I do get another call from Wyndham or a bill, it will go straight to my attorney. As of this AM, the sales manager who was going to get right back to me with what to do, has not called, e-mailed, nothing. So I'm taking that as either a stalling tactic on their part, or they are just fluffing me off at this point.

                So I am sending one more e-mail, that will be copied to my attorney, that because of their failure to respond to my requests, I have mailed the packages per my previous letter. I will check the certified tracking to verify reciept, and then give them 15 days (our time to cancel!), and if things are not back to what they were prior to my meeting, will have my attorney send them a nice little reminder, with the threat of filing a grevience with the Tennesse Real Estate Commission. Here's the thing, I'm not someone to screw around with. I know what buttons to push if they need to be, and who to call.

                Oh, we actually purchased Wyndham in 2004, just 1 week prior to Katrina. Because of family involved, we never even considered looking into if we got a good deal or not. Now, at $11K or so for this at a high interest rate, for a 105K bi-annual plan, ya we got screwed... That being said, we have no regrets about owning Wyndham, but have since purchased 2 other properties secondary market. Why we fell for this, I just don't know...
                Will let you all know the outcome.

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                • #23
                  There are times to buy from a developer, but those purchases are far and few. Actually, since the start of the great recession, those days may be gone.

                  Glad to see both of you recind your purchases.

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                  • #24
                    Sample Revocation Letter

                    Below is a sample copy of the letter we sent to all parties concerned. Everything was sent certified priority mail within on 4th calendar day (Cancellation policy for TN allows 15 days). Also, our attorney review the letter and statute of law, and stated it covered all the bases. He was impressed we put in the TN statute for filing a complaint if they did not follow through. He stated an actual grievance with the state could be pretty serious for them, if they got to many filed...

                    Hushand and Wife Timeshare Buyer
                    Street Address
                    City, State, Zip code
                    Phone Number


                    Revocation Letter: “Legal” name of timeshare company Contract Number: XXXXXXXXXXXX
                    Dated: MO-DA-YEAR

                    I hereby rescind my contract or agreement for sale of MO/DA/YR with TIMESHARE Vacation Resorts to purchase timeshare Contract Number XXXXXXXXXX - in the X00000 Points, Deeded at “Name of resort and city and state location of” We are exercising our legal right to cancel this contract. We expect a full refund of our deposit of $XXXX.XX, in the credit card sale of Down Payment, Order ID XXXXXXXX, Contract Number XXXXXXXXX, Mastercard ending in XXXX MO/DA/YR. We also expect full refund of our deposit of $XXXX.XX in the "SPECIAL" program, Down Payment order ID XXXXXXXX, Contract Number XXXXXXXXXX, Payment account number ending XXXX. Do not make any charges to my credit card.

                    A Notarized copy of this Revocation Letter has been sent to the following address pursuant to Revocation requirements and according to Tennessee Statutes which states:
                    Purchase Cancellation
                    [I]“Post below the exact text on the contract as to cancellation period. Below is for Tennessee”[/I]“You may cancel a contract to purchase a time-share interval within Ten (10) Days from the date of Contract, Where you have made an 0n-site inspection of the Time-Share Project before signing the contract, AND, if you have not made such an inspection, within fifteen (15) days from the date of the contract. If you elect to cancel, you may do so by hand delivering notice ot the seller at 12345 West Anywhere Blvd., Suite 666, Las Vegas, Nevada 89135-XXXX within the designated period, or by mailing notice to the seller (or his agent for service of process) by prepaid United States Mail, Attention: Account Controls and Administration at PO Box XXXXXX, Las Vegas, Neveda XXXXX, Postmarked anytime within the designated period".

                    Per instructions from John Smith, “Title”/”Resort Name”, we are also sending the original document package and the owner starter kit in tote bag with the Revocation Letter.

                    CC of letter will be sent certified mail to the following:
                    Owner Relations (Below is for Wyndham…)Wyndham Vacation Resorts
                    8427 SouthPark Circle, Suite 500
                    Orlando, FL 32819

                    Wyndham Vacation Resorts - Financial Services
                    P.O. Box 98940
                    Las Vegas, NV 89193-8940

                    Sales Office: c/o John Smith
                    Wyndham Vacation Resorts Anywhere
                    Street
                    City, State, Zip

                    (In case you traded property)We also require that Contract XXXXXXXXXXX for member Mary Smith, PO Member Number XXXXXXXXX for “Original Resort Name and Location” be reinstated and that the transfer agreement is null and void as of this date.

                    “Post state rights notice here”Please note we maintain our rights under Tennessee Code Annotated 52-13-312, that we may file a complaint with the Tennessee Real Estate Commission located at 500 James Robertson Pkwy, Nashville, TN 37243-1151 if our specific instructions above are not completed in a timely manner.

                    Thank you for your cooperation and assistance with this matter.

                    Regards,
                    ____________________________________
                    Bob Smith

                    ____________________________________
                    Mary Smith




                    ____________________________________ Have this notarized, preferably by your attorney!
                    Witness


                    ____________________________________


                    Date: Month, XX, Year

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                    • #25
                      Carl, thank you so much for providing a "template" for others to follow.

                      As you know, TS can be bought for pennies or nothing other then transfer fees.... so if you want to add to your ownership, there are much cheaper ways.
                      Pat
                      *** My Website ***

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                      • #26
                        Well, just got the e-mail that Wyndham has picked up their mail in Las Vegas! So I have an electronic verification that they picked up my certified package with the owner starter kit, and revocation letter! Also, they recieved at their financial office, a copy of the letter with a cover letter, as well as at their owner relations office in Orlando, and the sales office in Sevierville, TN. Now it's just wait and see.

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                        • #27
                          Good News!

                          Good news is that Wyndham has reposted the points for the property we "traded", so that's the first step. When the other points drop off, and I have the deposit money refunded, I will feel so much better.

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                          • #28
                            One cautionary note

                            While it is true that the secondary market is full of "deals", it is also full of "traps". This is not a suggestion to go running into the nearest 90 minute presentation; it is a note suggesting to not take things for granted.

                            If you're buying it on the secondary market, a very simple truth exists: there is something no longer right about them or about the week. The best case scenario is they just got too old. The worst case scenario is the title isn't clean.

                            Therefore, you need to have a plan for these things.

                            P.S. A lot of folks in these forums are jaded with regards to trading. It's not as hard as many of them make it sound provided you follow a few simple rules.

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                            • #29
                              Research, research, research....

                              Buy where you would want to go.

                              Buy resale when possible.

                              What may be a great trader today, could be tomorrow's trash.

                              Too effectively timeshare you must be a planner or have no problem with jumping on a last minute deal.....not much room in the middle.

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                              • #30
                                Great having a template to follow for those wanting to resind

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