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  • #16
    There are all kinds of reasons why timeshares are listed on Ebay. One of the major player groups are what we call the postcard companies. They promise people to rid them of their timeshare and usually sell them a worthless vacation club for 3 or 4 K as a prerequisite for taking away their timeshare. The problem with owning timeshares is that life changes and sometimes the timeshare no longer fits or becomes a liability with it's annual fees. Fees are set by the resort and I have never heard of any resort that allowed them to be negotiable.

    The Reef was almost or sort of in the Royal Resorts family (at one point called itself the Royal Reef) and that's probably where the payback or residual value came from. The Royals did it with all their resorts and even paid out the full residual amount when their first 30 yr RTU expired (at Club International de Cancun), though in many cases in several payments. Their second resort,the Royal Mayan, which will reach it's end of RTU next year will be sold at auction and the proceeds less sales expenses will go for that residual payback. The amount of the stated residual (usually the original sales price) will be more than that estimated sales price, so an estimate of 40-50% of the residual is expected to be paid. Some of the owners who believed they would get the full residual amount back or more are not at all happy and some are even crying foul. The point is that the residual was never guaranteed and if you did the math, not likely to be paid in full. It was a nice idea and something to look forward to, but never guaranteed.I sold all my Royals in the middle of the last decade, so my interest in the end of the RTU is mainly to see what happens. The Reef may be another thing entirely as I have always been suspicious of the developers and their relationship with the Royals and even called them out on it on an internet forum. The name Thompson seems to ring a bell, but it was around the turn of the century, so I could be mistaken.

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    • #17
      The Reef will be sold in 2050 and 80% of the proceeds will be divided among the timeshare owners, according to their share. (2BR 1BR... Annual biannual).
      I have to say that The Reef was very clear about telling us that we should not consider this a way to make our purchase money back. There is a disclosure statement with the contract that makes sure you understand that it's not to be considered an investment in that way.

      It seems that, if The Reef is kept up, that owners might make some profit, but we know not to bank on it if we do end up there.

      I'll be interested to see what happens with that one that comes up next year.
      GrayFal
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      Last edited by GrayFal; 04-20-2013, 01:00 PM. Reason: fixed quote

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      • #18
        I trust the Reef less than I do the Royals.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ginny View Post
          I see, we may just have to wait for a 1 bedroom unit to come up. We did not buy yet, so I'm glad of that. It seems risky to buy from an unknown seller thru ebay. Any thoughts on that.
          I sent you a PM regarding another option.
          Pat
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          • #20
            Originally posted by tonyg View Post
            I trust the Reef less than I do the Royals.
            I have to ask why you would say that. Is there a horror story I should know about since we are considering buying there?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ginny View Post
              I have to ask why you would say that. Is there a horror story I should know about since we are considering buying there?
              The Royals are devaluing their product by forcing renters & exchangers to buy the All Inclusive package.
              I've stayed at the Royals before they instituted this and the reason I stayed there was because there was no AI fees.
              I would not go back now that they require an AI fee.
              I think this hurts owners trying to rent or exchange their weeks.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ginny View Post
                I have to ask why you would say that. Is there a horror story I should know about since we are considering buying there?
                As I mentioned, I was involved in a dialog with them and felt they were not being honest. If you lie or exaggerate things about your company, I would be foolish to believe what was subsequently said. As I also mentioned, it was called the Royal Reef at one time- then the Royals disassociated themselves. Perhaps I wasn't the only one who didn't trust them.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by chriskre View Post
                  The Royals are devaluing their product by forcing renters & exchangers to buy the All Inclusive package.
                  Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll have to check the contract to see if there's anything protecting owners (at least) from being forced to pay AI fees. If not, I'd see about adding it in before signing.

                  Right now, The Reef's website still gives rates for all inclusive and per night stays.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tonyg View Post
                    As I mentioned, I was involved in a dialog with them and felt they were not being honest. If you lie or exaggerate things about your company, I would be foolish to believe what was subsequently said. As I also mentioned, it was called the Royal Reef at one time- then the Royals disassociated themselves. Perhaps I wasn't the only one who didn't trust them.
                    Thanks, I'll keep an open mind both ways as I keep gathering facts and opinions

                    I don't know when the Royals split from The Reef. You mentioned the turn of the century. If it was in 2000, that's when the current program started and it ends in 2050. So maybe there was a change for the better in 2000?? It seems like everything could change again in 2050 with new ownership.

                    As of now, I don't feel I'm being scammed or misled. Though maybe overcharged, at first. The main thing that bothered us was not being advised of the $10/day tax and the $198 utility fee. Maybe it was just an oversight, giving the sales rep the benefit of the doubt. But either way, it really raises our cost. Time to renegotiate.

                    Thanks to all, this forum has been helpful in thinking this thru.

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                    • #25
                      Ginny:

                      I'm sorry that I did not see this earlier, and I will try to direct my advice on this forum to those considering buying into timesharing.

                      Just reading your OP, it seems like your concern is in what it costs to use. An equally important question, that one day will be the most important question, is what it will cost to not use . . . after you are done with it for any of many reasons.

                      As there is no resale market for the majority of timeshares, you should never buy any of most timeshares unless it includes a written exit strategy, such as a deedback arrangement with the resort.

                      JMHO opinion, and experience, and your mileage may vary.

                      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                      • #26
                        Reviewing this Board, which obviously did not take long, I'm amazed at how few prospective owners come here for advice.

                        Is there another board, a What You Need to Know Before You Buy?

                        Happy 4th, y'all, especially our good friends in Great Britain.
                        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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