The Timeshare Tourniquet

[ronparise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ronparise]

Wow! Did it really take you that long to find something totally insignificant to make a wisecrack about?

Do you pull wings off flies and call them walks?

so what is significant here?

certainly not that some guy has a timeshare he cant sell, and certainly not any suggestion that you dont have to pay condo fees on a condo you own

The suggestion that you have to "pay to play" this game and that you have to maintain what you own, is about the most significant post in this thread.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

Wow! Did it really take you that long to find something totally insignificant to make a wisecrack about?

Yup and I don't think it's insignificant at all.
You seem to be stuck in some sort of time warp.
Kinda like my Mom with her gas used to be 25 cents a gallon remarks, or the groceries used to be $25 for a cart full.
Yeah it used to be, but it isn't anymore. Get over it.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

There was no relevance or importance in my posting what the fees were, or are. I was just quoting, at random, a part of the Covenants for the only person that it matters to, Ace, the only other one in this thread concerned about his Fine Kettle week, and the only person making the point that he has not signed any sort of contract there

If getting rid of your timeshare is not a concern of yours, this thread is not for you. Your posting is for no other purpose than to try to make me feel bad. Everyone knows that since you don't try to hide it. Guests and visitors can see that, too.

But, have a nice day.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

It seems you never seem to stop rephrasing the simple idea here--- I can't get rid of my timeshare. 100 tries is enough- shut up already.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

If getting rid of your timeshare is not a concern of yours, this thread is not for you. Your posting is for no other purpose than to try to make me feel bad. Everyone knows that since you don't try to hide it. Guests and visitors can see that, too.

But, have a nice day.

Nobody is trying to make you feel bad. You do a pretty good job of that yourself.
And your passive-aggressive posts aren't going to stop me from trying to provide a little balance to your black cloud.

Maybe for once it would be nice not have to go round and round this merry go round with you every day.
You're like a gerbil spinning with no purpose but to exhaust yourself and others while they watch you.
Jump off already! End the insanity!
Go enjoy that new waterfront mansion you got while you still have time.
Maybe post a few pictures of what you've done with the place. Gee wouldn't that be a nice change.
You have a good day too.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

It's pretty simple.

For those not concerned about the state of the industry, and it's biggest problem, don't read my stuff. Save yourself the anguish.

Pay your fees, take your vacations, have fun.

Leave the untidy stuff to those of us who care, albeit it is not many.

(Although I understand how irresistible I am.)

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I mentioned this before, and still don't get it. I think about the resales I purchased (all over 5 years ago), and on none of them did I sign any agreement suggesting that I'd be on the hook for maintenance fees for the rest of my life. I can't really see how the resorts can pursue any type of judgement against anyone that did not sign any paperwork suggesting those terms.

Ace:

Since you and I both know that you question here relates to your ownership at Fine Kettle (SBV), that you may some day be in the same situation as us, and that you have been following my progress privately, I want to make it clear that the Covenants I am linking and quoting here are for the Stonebridge Village development. They are important because they grant "membership" to the development (POA) to Coopershares, and spell out the right, and the method, by which the SBV POA can set fees for use of the amenities for Coopershares.

This shows up on the annual budget as the figure at the bottom, which is added in after the "timeshare" part of the annual fee is delineated.

But, this is not the covenants for the timeshare condo association. The SBV POA site has link to a couple of the COAs:

http://www.sbvpoa.org/links.php

and I found a site that has a couple more listed.

The "Board" has not provided me, or any owner that I know of, a copy of, or a link to the covenants for the timeshare COA, or information regarding what all that COA association has jurisdiction over. Yes, " the covenants" were referred to during my ass-chewing, but nothing has been provided about the specifics, or any other place where policies regarding the operation of the timeshares are made available to the owners.

Do you know of any place to find those covenants, or any other recorded documents regarding the timeshare COA, or any place where any information regarding the operation of the timeshares has been made available to owners?

Just found this:

Stonebridge Village Coa Admin was founded in 2008, and is located at 1 Oak Ln in Reeds Spring. It employs 30 employees and is generating approximately $800,000.00 in annual revenue. Additional information is available by contacting this business at (417) 336-2440.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I also just found in the Stone County Records a Declaration from Escapes Inc. and Stonebridge Village Condominiums are the Grantors and Stonebridge Village COA Inc. as the Grantee.

There are deeds in which Stonebridge Village COA is the Grantor and deeds where they are the Grantee, so they are both selling and receiving weeks in the 600# units, the original Coopershares.

There is a Declaration for the Stonebridge Village Condominiums Owners Association in 2006, and ten documents for Stonebridge Village Condominiums, starting in 1995 and as late as 2012, when the Oakridge Condominium Association was formed.

I don't have the plug-in needed to view any of the documents.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Better get the plug in so you can get the topic up to 200 posts.

[ace2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ace2000]

Post #175 then.

I find the topic kind of interesting myself... I'm not sure why the venom has reached such a high level and some are choosing to get emotional - it seems we're just discussing a pertinent timeshare topic on a timeshare forum website. I guess there have been so few threads around here lately that some just can't resist the temptation skip over this one.

Regardless of whether we have hashed out all of the exit strategies or not, there are ways to make an exit strategy work, I'm sure. For me, I'd pay an attorney for a strongly worded letter written to the HOA when the time comes to exit - and that would be sent while the maintenance fees are current, of course. And then I'd pursue it further from there.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Post #175 then.

I find the topic kind of interesting myself... I'm not sure why the venom has reached such a high level and some are choosing to get emotional - it seems we're just discussing a pertinent timeshare topic on a timeshare forum website. I guess there have been so few threads around here lately that some just can't resist the temptation skip over this one.

Regardless of whether we have hashed out all of the exit strategies or not, there are ways to make an exit strategy work, I'm sure. For me, I'd pay an attorney for a strongly worded letter written to the HOA when the time comes to exit - and that would be sent while the maintenance fees are current, of course. And then I'd pursue it further from there.

Yeah, it's obvious that some consider each post just rehashing the same hash. But, like the recent ones, it is like peeling off the layers of an onion. Just yesterday, after all this time with Fine Kettle, for instance, I found deeds where the Fine Kettle association is both the Grantee and Grantor of weeks in the 600 units. So, we know that dealing in those weeks is something they are empowered to do.

In my lengthy conversation with a certain timeshare-divesture attorney, when I talked about the association's unwillingness to provide any information at all to me, except to vaguely refer to Covenants, he said that's exactly what they do, not let you know things you need to know. Whose resort is it . . . the owners or the three or four people on the board?

Last night DW and I went to karaoke night/going away party for the couple we met on another timeshare forum, and it was very nice to see a lot of people I have not seen for awhile. So, as I've mentioned, an additional complication is that I have a personal affinity to SBV/Fine Kettle. It is not a distant timeshare where I don't know anyone, and don't care.

And, yeah, the lack of other posts tends to bring undue focus on the ills of timesharing.
- - - - - -
two things my ass-chewing accomplished:

1. The Board decided to send out information to try to clear the muddy waters . . . three times.

2. I don't ask them for anything any more.

So, my persistence benefitted both sides.

And I have been there and checked in for one of our weeks since.

[ronparise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ronparise]

Yup and I don't think it's insignificant at all.
You seem to be stuck in some sort of time warp.
Kinda like my Mom with her gas used to be 25 cents a gallon remarks, or the groceries used to be $25 for a cart full.
Yeah it used to be, but it isn't anymore. Get over it.

I remember 25 cent gas...and I used to budget for my groceries at $10 a bag.... Do you thing we can get back to that anytime soon?

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

I remember 25 cent gas...and I used to budget for my groceries at $10 a bag.... Do you thing we can get back to that anytime soon?

I know lots of countries where you can buy groceries for $10 a bag, just no place I want to live.
Now gas that might be another story.

[ronparise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ronparise]

Post #175 then.

I find the topic kind of interesting myself... I'm not sure why the venom has reached such a high level and some are choosing to get emotional - it seems we're just discussing a pertinent timeshare topic on a timeshare forum website. I guess there have been so few threads around here lately that some just can't resist the temptation skip over this one.

Regardless of whether we have hashed out all of the exit strategies or not, there are ways to make an exit strategy work, I'm sure. For me, I'd pay an attorney for a strongly worded letter written to the HOA when the time comes to exit - and that would be sent while the maintenance fees are current, of course. And then I'd pursue it further from there.

I wonder what your strongly worded letter might say

It looks to me that you would be sending the letter to yourself...You are the association and the association is you. As Pogo once said, "we have met the enemy and he is us"

There are two parallel discussions going on here, One serious regarding the need for a timeshare exit strategy and the second which is just silly, regarding the authority of an HOA to collect fees

I dont understand how you think not signing anything somehow gives you the right to not pay maintenance fees (I know too many negatives) and I dont understand the problem some here have in finding the relevant documents. I have a drawer full of timeshare deeds and they all refer to the declaration. and they are all (the declarations) neatly filed at the respective local courthouses. Heres one from Lee County Florida I dont own here I just wanted to show how easy it is to find the records. , If your county doesnt have as good an on line filing system..at your next visit to the resort, instead of going to the beach, go to the courthouse...these are public records.

http://apps.leeclerk.org/OR/showdeta...330&BookType=O

I didnt sign anything when I bought my house (except the check) and yet the county keeps sending me those damn tax bills. Condos and timeshares are the same way except we have the obligation to pay condo fees or maintenance fees levied by their own HOA.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Florida is well known for making recorded documents easily accessible via the Internet.

Fine Kettle's state is light year's behind Florida. It is only in the last five years that the County's documents have been put online, and it was major task for them to go back and get them all done.

Fine Kettle also has undergone rebranding a few times, and there are at least four other COA's, all under the POA.

It is the type of a many-tangled web where it would be easiest for the Association just to inform the owners, not only about the governing legal documents, but, also, for the policies and procedures for how the resort operates.

But, perhaps it is like a certain timeshare divesture attorney (to repeat myself) said, "Maybe not telling owners anything is intentional."

Ace being the only other one here personally affected by Fine Kettle, I believe he was just throwing the "No contract" thing out in jest, anticipating his own exit strategy. I/we are in the same situation, and I have never questioned the Board's right to do what they do. I have questioned why they don't do what they don't do.