Property Donation Group: Scam

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I understand your need to censor spam so I respectfully ask "what's your definition of an ad"? We don't post offers, phone numbers, websites or anything of the sort. We only give direct answers to direct questions. If our answers could send us business then I guess we are doing something right. I'm beginning to think that the moderators have pre-judged our business. Who pays you to keep our responses out? False accusations keep occurring and you refuse to post our side of the story. We have never changed our name and never will. All of our clients are happy. Shame on the moderators. An open forum means everyone has a voice.

Hey PDG, This is not just an open unbiased forum it is also is a free forum, Putting down and pissing off the mods here especially this one will not get you any votes. The members here know we are unbiased. I normally stay out of the rebuttal but you found a way to pull me in here. The members also know what an ad is , that is why your posts and ID name Which is a blatant ad right off the bat was brought to my attention. If you do not think the 2 posts were a bit of an ad then maybe you should have someone read the post for you when your done typing. The two posts you had was trying to make you look good. If you did not have your name in your ID I might have let the 2nd post go threw. I am going to change your ID to PDG in a day so if you can not log in that is why. You will have to log in with your password and change your ID to PDG.

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Thanks for the answer

Thanks for the reply. We are by no means trying to anger anyone. We are just wanting to make it clear that we are not "crooks" as Greyman has insinuated and clarify some misinformation. As far as our methods, POA, etc,.,"the ends justify the means" and we have had 0 complaints from "actual" clients. Find one and I'll pay you $100. Greyman was not a client because he didn't want to pay. Other than the username, what was an ad? All we did was answer Greymans specific questions. Would you mind posting our response to Greymans questions now? We will continue to answer all concerns as they arise. Thanks for the help.
Respectfully,
Vanessa Collins

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Thanks for the reply. We are by no means trying to anger anyone. We are just wanting to make it clear that we are not "crooks" as Greyman has insinuated and clarify some misinformation. As far as our methods, POA, etc,.,"the ends justify the means" and we have had 0 complaints from "actual" clients. Find one and I'll pay you $100. Greyman was not a client because he didn't want to pay. Other than the username, what was an ad? All we did was answer Greymans specific questions. Would you mind posting our response to Greymans questions now? We will continue to answer all concerns as they arise. Thanks for the help.
Respectfully,
Vanessa Collins

Here is the problem , You are saying 0 complaints from Clients. First off No company has 0. To me this is both a lie and it looks like you are trying to build up the Company. If you did not have your name in your id maybe it does not look so bad but to me and I am sure others it does. If you had posted an actual graph showing the amount of Successful transactions Vs non successful well that would work as long as the #'s are correct. But if you are telling me you have had a 100% Success rate. Then let me go wipe that word that is written on my forehead off but we both know that is not true.

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We DO have zero complaints. Every deal we have taken on has been successful. Calling us liars with no proof is a bold and prejudice statement considering your only complaint is from a "non-client". The only complainers are people that wanted to be clients but unfortunately we couldn't assist. As for our username, we are happy for it to be changed to PDG to be in compliance with your policy. That wasn't put there as an ad but just to let you know who we are. Can you please post the answers we sent you to Greymans questions now? I think everyone here would be interested in seeing that. (You have since posted the answers to the questions and we appreciate that very much)

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We DO have zero complaints. Every deal we have taken on has been successful. Calling us liars with no proof is a bold and prejudice statement considering your only complaint is from a "non-client". The only complainers are people that wanted to be clients but unfortunately we couldn't assist. As for our username, we are happy for it to be changed to PDG to be in compliance with your policy. That wasn't put there as an ad but just to let you know who we are. Can you please post the answers we sent you to Greymans questions now? I think everyone here would be interested in seeing that.

I will allow the 2nd post and I will change your ID as soon as I can get some time later on this evening. If you put your self in my place and hear 0 complaints from Clients that gets me thinking. Why are there so many people not wanting to be your Client? Must be something

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Vanessa, May I ask you a Question? How did you just happen to find this Thread so soon after it was posted?

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Thank You Big Frank

I certainly understand your skepticism because the timeshare industry does have a lot of undesirable elements as we all know. This company was created on the premise of being the most credible and helpful company in our field. We have no complaints because all of our clients are 100% aware of what's involved when working with us before we even accept their business. That is not an ad but TRUTH based on FACT. I'm unaware of "so many" people that don't want to do business with us. Most people DO want to do business but some don't want to if they have to pay to get out from under their timeshare that they don't know what to do with on their own. Anyone has the right to fix their own car, doctor their own wounds, paint their own house, fix their own computer or get rid of their own timeshare. But does everyone have the time, knowledge and money to be a jack of all trades? And is it wrong for businesses to make money by providing a viable service? Even our biggest competitor, Donate For A Cause charges $1,299 to do what we do for much less. When we began business we sent over 35 timeshares to them to see if they would help out and here is a sample of what you get when you contact them to donate:

"Thank you for your interest in donating your timeshare, our brokers have reviewed your property and have determined that your property is less desirable than others in the area and we are not able to accept the property under our no cost donation program. We do have another donation program that your property would qualify for called our Guaranteed Donation Program, where the property will be deeded out of your name within eight weeks, the fee for this program would be $1,299.00 and this fee would also be tax deductible in addition to the deduction you will receive for the property itself. If you decide to proceed with this program we guarantee that the donation will go through or you will receive a full refund. Please also keep in mind that you will still receive a donation receipt for the property itself in addition to a receipt for the costs. The IRS allows deeded property donors to determine the fair market value of their donation up to $5,000.00 without an appraisal and for non deeded properties up to $500.00. Appraisals are recommended on all donations. If you would like to proceed with the guaranteed donation program please send a check or money order made payable to Resort Closings, Inc. to the address below along with the attached documents, a copy of your recorded deed and a copy of your satisfaction of mortgage. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Due to the time of year and upcoming maintenance fees becoming due you will be asked to pay the 2010 maintenance fee as well, the closing company will obtain the amount of the fee and request it from you at the time of closing. ***Please note we will cover up to $200.00 in fees to transfer your ownership. Any fees in excess of this amount will be your responsibility." )

We got this letter from them every time before we figured out how to do everything without their "help". We are not a bad company and will continue to stay on top of everything, or "aggressively rebuttle", as some say, because we don't take false accusations lightly. I would say to those who bad mouth us to just do everything their selves and stop looking for help if they don't want to pay the dues. Nothing in life is free. Except for the free gifts to take a timeshare tour, LOL. Thanks again Frank.
Respectfully,
Vanessa

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Hi Frank,
Believe it or not I just stumbled across it on the internet. I now keep it open in my browser to monitor the situation until the issues are resolved. We are proactive in securing our online reputation.
Vanessa

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Just so you know one of the biggest and most presure timeshare sales company's is Wwwwww and I just found out this year that my own Cousin [STRIKE]works[/STRIKE] is a Manager for there Austraila branch. Got to watch what I say he might see this.

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PDG-

Is that $100. per unhappy client open to me as well?... And is it good for each complaint I can locate?

I'm pretty good at research so I might make a few bucks here!

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I didn't know that Donate for a Cause had a "guaranteed donation program." If you think about it, it's a bit weird.

We guarantee that you will be able to donate your property? Why don't you just donate it? It's sad how timeshares have devolved into items worth less than zero in some cases.

It does tick me off that these people are set up as charities and provide a tax deduction to owners who enter this guaranteed donation program. Think about it. The owner pays $1299, gets a tax deduction, tax payers foot the bill. I'll bet the Charity gets a couple hundred bucks. TRAVESTY.

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For what it's worth, I think it is great that a representative from Property Donation Group is posting on this thread. That tells me that they have nothing to hide.

I think it is fine that they have the business model they do. Being a Timeshare Broker myself, there are some properties that are simply unmarketable. So, the fee they charge may be worth it to some owners who just want to get out.

Here's an offer to the first person who reads Timeshare Forums and is interested in using this Property Donation Group service. If you choose to sign up for their service, I will act as your private consultant to guide your every step in working with this group. If they tell you to do something that is risky to you, I'll let you know. At the end of the process, I'll write up an unbiased and fact based report to describe the entire process. Send me a private message if you are interested.

Also, before anyone does sign up for this service, post in other threads on timeshare forums to see if what you own is worth something. You may be able to put it up on eBay and get rid of it yourself. Or, give it away to someone on this message board. Or, even deed it back to the resort if they will take it. If, after going through that process, you still want to use PDG, then they will have to work for their fee. Seems fair to me.

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From my understanding, Donate has two options.

One is basically a listing option where the owner agrees to give away the ownership if a buyer can be found. The affiliated brokerage gets a portion of the sale price, and the remainder is donated to the charity of choice. The affiliated closing company is also paid for the closing.

The second option is along the lines of the PCC model.. The owner pays a fee (it varies depending on the resort) and Donate agrees that if it hasn't found a buyer within a specified time period, they'll still deed the ownership over to a company.

The Donating thread in Transferring Ownership has info on a number of these groups.

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Who you associate with often says much about you..

For what it's worth, I think it is great that a representative from Property Donation Group is posting on this thread. That tells me that they have nothing to hide.

I hope you are correct.. And I know a guy who works in a big yellow office bldg with plenty of glass shouldn't throw stones- but the connections to the IAVacations group and all that ugliness is just one really BIG pile of bricks that shouldn't be ignored...

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Rikkis Playpen, good luck finding an "actual" client that is unhappy, but if you do then the $100 is yours. We would very much appreciate to know if there is a problem so we can better serve our clients. BocaBum99, we would be totally open to work with you on any timeshare matters in the future. If a timeshare owner can give their ownership back to the resort or find another way out that doesn't cost money then good for them. As far as IA and ATC goes, here is my previous response: (Our understanding is that for the most part these complaints were unfounded. As most of you know the closing process can take up to 120 days which can seem like an eternity to someone who is eager to be done with their timeshare. Third parties that use Mr. Gillespie closing services often neglect to inform their client of the possibility of a delay of up to 120 days before the process is completed. Some poorly informed clients grew impatient and were quick to complain. These complaints have been answered but the BBB isn't clearing them because IA and ATC refuse to pay the membership fee.) I am pleased to discuss anything in the open. We don't throw stones, we just tell it straight. Have a great evening everyone.