points vs. price

[Hobbitess Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hobbitess]

If you're buying unauthorized points, you only get bonus time with your home resort, so that can be another reason for wanting a particular set of points.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

At 11 months out, everyone has access to "your unit". However, at 12 months out and until the 11 month window opens, only you have access to your unit of the week that you own. So, if you want to go to Shorecrest I just about every summer and you find points for sale backed by Shorecrest I week 28, it would be worth a premium to you because you would be guaranteed week 28 in your unit every summer. I, however, probably have little to no chance of ever getting week 28 at Shorecrest I.

I am guessing that few owners know about this.

Charles

That is interesting.....
So everyone can book at 11 months, you can book your 'deeded' week at 12 months.
Is there any other "home resort" advantage?
If I owned at Foxrun week 25 - I can book my week 25 at 12 month as stated above.
BUT
As a Foxrun owner, can I book at my home resort for a different week BEFORE it is opened up to the general ownership at 11 months?

If you're buying unauthorized points, you only get bonus time with your home resort, so that can be another reason for wanting a particular set of points.

Also good to know.

[vintner Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close vintner]

That is interesting.....BUT
As a Foxrun owner, can I book at my home resort for a different week BEFORE it is opened up to the general ownership at 11 months?

No, if you want a different week, you need to reserve like everyone else. It is set up so that the general membership has access at 11 month, other members with VIP status have the right to put in for a location/week earlier, but the actual awarding of the week doesn't happen until that 11 month date. Examples: Bronze can put their name in the hat at 12 months out, Silver at 13 months, Gold at 14 months and Platinum can put in for a resort and week at 15 months out.

And that kind of gets back to my point earlier, if you have the points, it doesn't matter where you are deeded. I would have to believe that unless you really want to go back to the same resort week year after year (and are you really going to get that resort and week deeded?), it isn't the deed location that maters, it is the amount of points you have that will allow you to go where and when you want.

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

Maybe

As a Foxrun owner, can I book at my home resort for a different week BEFORE it is opened up to the general ownership at 11 months?

Pat,

Actually it depends. If you own BG points which are backed up by Foxrun, week 25, then, as was pointed out, the answer is No. However, if you own a flex/float week which is backed by Foxrun, week 25, then the answer is Yes. Since the preceding discussion was related to BG Points one would assume you are also talking about BG Points. However, I am a bit surprised that Foxrun, Week 25 would be in BG Points so I am not 100% sure that you were referring to BG Points.

Charles

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

It depends

And that kind of gets back to my point earlier, if you have the points, it doesn't matter where you are deeded. I would have to believe that unless you really want to go back to the same resort week year after year (and are you really going to get that resort and week deeded?), it isn't the deed location that maters, it is the amount of points you have that will allow you to go where and when you want.

Which brings me back to my point. I, and others, are indeed looking to purchase certain weeks at certain resorts that we want to return to fairly often (not necessarily every year) and would pay a premium for them (since you can't hardly ever get them even with the wait list). I know of an individual who even upgraded with BG just so they could get a certain week at a certain resort. It all depends upon what you want.

Charles

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

No, if you want a different week, you need to reserve like everyone else. It is set up so that the general membership has access at 11 month, other members with VIP status have the right to put in for a location/week earlier, but the actual awarding of the week doesn't happen until that 11 month date. Examples: Bronze can put their name in the hat at 12 months out, Silver at 13 months, Gold at 14 months and Platinum can put in for a resort and week at 15 months out.

And that kind of gets back to my point earlier, if you have the points, it doesn't matter where you are deeded. I would have to believe that unless you really want to go back to the same resort week year after year (and are you really going to get that resort and week deeded?), it isn't the deed location that matters, it is the amount of points you have that will allow you to go where and when you want.

VIP status is what allows you to have priority getting into a resort not ownership at that resort EXCEPT if u want to use your underlying deeded week/unit at a fixed week/unit resort such as Foxrun or La Cabana

Pat,

Actually it depends. If you own BG points which are backed up by Foxrun, week 25, then, as was pointed out, the answer is No. However, if you own a flex/float week which is backed by Foxrun, week 25, then the answer is Yes. Since the preceding discussion was related to BG Points one would assume you are also talking about BG Points. However, I am a bit surprised that Foxrun, Week 25 would be in BG Points so I am not 100% sure that you were referring to BG Points.

Charles

Charles, I was just using FXR week 25 (I saw it on the BG website) as an example as it has fixed weeks/units similar to La Cabana.
But that brings up another question - can u ever get really popular weeks (summer FXR, winter Aruba, Hawaii) at resorts that have fixed week owners as well as BG point owners? How do you know if BG has 'ownership' of any prime weeks or only off/shoulder season?
It would make having a deeded prime week important at those locations, no?

Which brings me back to my point. I, and others, are indeed looking to purchase certain weeks at certain resorts that we want to return to fairly often (not necessarily every year) and would pay a premium for them (since you can't hardly ever get them even with the wait list). I know of an individual who even upgraded with BG just so they could get a certain week at a certain resort. It all depends upon what you want.

Charles

That's what I am thinking....... but how much of a premium?
Is $1 a point too much, for Aruba???

And I am continuing to read and read but with the many new rules, is it best to purchase your 'authorized' points first then add your unauthorized ones after to get VIP status or the other way around?

TIA...

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[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

1. can u ever get really popular weeks (summer FXR, winter Aruba, Hawaii) at resorts that have fixed week owners as well as BG point owners?
2. How do you know if BG has 'ownership' of any prime weeks or only off/shoulder season?
3. It would make having a deeded prime week important at those locations, no?
4. but how much of a premium? Is $1 a point too much, for Aruba???

1. Yes. Fixed weeks owners who tire of fixed weeks will have traded in their fixed week for points. Also, at some resorts BG buys a building that is being built (with no units sold) or builds additional buildings thus getting all weeks.

2. Try to make a reservation. If you succeed, you know. If you don't succeed, you don't know. Seriously though, if you go to the Multi-Site Public Offering Statement that BG gives you when you purchase, you can look up and see how many units are in the Club at a given resort for different seasons. For example Mountain Loft has such and such number of one or two bedroom townhomes or villas in Leaf Season, in High Red Season, in Red Season, etc. Also note that each resort is listed under the various Trust Funds so you have to dig out the info many times.

3. Yes. Or a Points week backed up by the unit/week one would want.

4. Ahhh. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are so many real and emotional factors that can impact the "value" of a given unit/week that I wouldn't even hazard a guess.

Charles

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1. Yes. Fixed weeks owners who tire of fixed weeks will have traded in their fixed week for points. Also, at some resorts BG buys a building that is being built (with no units sold) or builds additional buildings thus getting all weeks.

Okay

2. Try to make a reservation. If you succeed, you know. If you don't succeed, you don't know. Seriously though, if you go to the Multi-Site Public Offering Statement that BG gives you when you purchase, you can look up and see how many units are in the Club at a given resort for different seasons. For example Mountain Loft has such and such number of one or two bedroom townhomes or villas in Leaf Season, in High Red Season, in Red Season, etc. Also note that each resort is listed under the various Trust Funds so you have to dig out the info many times.

LOL, can't do that until after the fact! The rest I understand.

3. Yes. Or a Points week backed up by the unit/week one would want.

That is what I meant - a points week backed by the unit/week

4. Ahhh. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are so many real and emotional factors that can impact the "value" of a given unit/week that I wouldn't even hazard a guess.



Charles

Thanks for your detailed answers!

[jmc Member Find all posts View Profile Close jmc]

We are Platinum members but while we were purchasing our points we considered a few things during our purchase. We wanted a deeded week at a resort we thought had value (for resale ), location, and type of lodging unit that fit our family needs. The number of points associated with the deed would also need to give us enough points when we wanted to explore other locations in the system.
Re:
In our minds if there was ever a collapse of the timeshare company we realized the location of that deeded week would have to be where we would want to go every year. So even though Bluegreen is a point system, this philosophy that has been repeated on several other posts for those buyng a TS for the first time still holds merit.
The type/size of unit was important to us to fit our family now and in the future. (We are a family of 4 so figure in at least 2 friends with us for the kids) When we bought the first time we had a July week in a townhome plus one other that unit that totaled 20,000 points at Christmas Mountain- we live in Northern IL. When we went to Big Cedar, we were fortunate that we visited and bought during a time their inventory still had Cabins so we have two cabins and a studio during week 21 and a 2 bedroom Lodge room during week 22, and a 2 bedroom Lodge room back to back weeks in July around the 4th. We traded in the Christmas Mountain deed to get this accomplished. Our theory was that as the kids grew and had families, they could each have a cabin and we would go to the studio- but for now my 21 yr old has his own place and we reserve 1 out of the 2 cabins. We also have a boat and Big Cedar is perfect for us and we wanted a guarantee that we could get our reservations without worry (priority week rule), but another point that has been missed is when you use your priority week -those points do not come out of your current year points, the points are removed at the time of the next anniversary date when your points renew. So paying a year maintenance fees in advance is not needed either when using priority week.
So we really try to maximize the point system to travel throughout BG system by using the wait list if we can predict in the future where we want to go and have high value in the deeded location as well by using priority week rule and not burn our current year points.
Sorry if I got winded....

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

In our minds if there was ever a collapse of the timeshare company we realized the location of that deeded week would have to be where we would want to go every year. So even though Bluegreen is a point system, this philosophy that has been repeated on several other posts for those buying a TS for the first time still holds merit.

Originally I also held that view. But the more I look at the legal documents, the more I believe that Corporate BG and the BG Vacation Club Trust are two different, legal entities. If corporate BG went out of business, the Trust would still be there, the resorts and units would still be there, and each resort would still have a Home Owners Association who would simply hire a new managing company for the resort and the Trustee would hire new people to handle fees, reservations, etc. The club would continue. As such, I no longer worry about corporate BG going bust. That being said, there is still merit in seeking certain unit/weeks for those who want to use the 12 month rule to go there most of the time. Of course, the benefits, cost, effort, and timing is not worth it to most of us.

Charles

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

2. Try to make a reservation. If you succeed, you know. If you don't succeed, you don't know. Seriously though, if you go to the Multi-Site Public Offering Statement that BG gives you when you purchase, you can look up and see how many units are in the Club at a given resort for different seasons. For example Mountain Loft has such and such number of one or two bedroom townhomes or villas in Leaf Season, in High Red Season, in Red Season, etc. Also note that each resort is listed under the various Trust Funds so you have to dig out the info many times.

LOL, can't do that until after the fact!

I guess I was trying to be cute but then caught myself and gave a more detailed answer. But yes, BG does have prime time weeks available. I have been to summer Pono Kai(Hawaii), summer ocean front Shorecrest I and SeaGlass (Myrtle Beach), summer Big Sky (Montana for Yellowstone), spring break Miami, spring break Marathon (Florida Keys), summer Big Cedar, and many other summer weeks. But I do plan ahead.

Charles

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

I guess I was trying to be cute but then caught myself and gave a more detailed answer. But yes, BG does have prime time weeks available. I have been to summer Pono Kai(Hawaii), summer ocean front Shorecrest I and SeaGlass (Myrtle Beach), summer Big Sky (Montana for Yellowstone), spring break Miami, spring break Marathon (Florida Keys), summer Big Cedar, and many other summer weeks. But I do plan ahead.

Charles

You ARE cute!

I own with Marriott and I book the day my dates open at either 12 or 13 months. I own with Wyndham and make my points reservation when they open up at 10 months.
I own with Starwood and they are so busy scr*wing their owners it is hard to keep track but I call right before the 12 month mark to maintain my fixed/float week resie.

So I've got this covered and understand the need to reserve at the appropriate time.