Limited Availability - Is this the kiss of death?

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

Looking at the BG Points chart.

There are some attractive point values at certain resorts but then it says....

"*Limited availability. For full-week stays only, with check in on Saturday or Sunday."

I see this with Fox Run, Sandcastle Village II, Waterwood Townhouses...

And also at high demand areas - Lake Condominiums at Big Sky
Surfsider BeachClub - Sanibel

How would you know if u even had a chance for these areas? Is a week 18-19 at Waterwood/Sandcastle a possibility?

Can u ever get into Sanibel - or say only in the fall/hurricane season?

TIA

[vintner Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close vintner]

You are going to typically see less availablity in club associate resorts vs. club resorts. In some resorts, Bluegreen has only a couple units per week available. The week we were at Lake Condominiums at Big Sky in Montana, there were only 2 units available to BG. The resorts you listed; Fox Run, Sandcastle Village II, Waterwood Townhouses are all club assoc.

I don't believe there is any kiss of death, only oppertunities to use these resorts. But, you have to play by the rules of their check in and have the points to put in for the resorts far out, not last minutes.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

You are going to typically see less availability in club associate resorts vs. club resorts. In some resorts, Bluegreen has only a couple units per week available. The week we were at Lake Condominiums at Big Sky in Montana, there were only 2 units available to BG. The resorts you listed; Fox Run, Sandcastle Village II, Waterwood Townhouses are all club assoc.

I don't believe there is any kiss of death, only opportunities to use these resorts. But, you have to play by the rules of their check in and have the points to put in for the resorts far out, not last minutes.

Thanks Don,
As highlighted above - is there a different number of units available each week?
And why?
And how do you know there were only 2 units?

Is it because the units that are in the BG program (available for point reservations) are converted fixed weeks?
So if there are 4 week 18 and 3 week 19 and 1 week 20 and 6 week 21 owners who converted to BGVC - that is all that is available for BG resies?

I own at a resort that has fixed week/unit, 2 season float week, and Wyndham FSP owners - and that is how it works.

[SallyHoover Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SallyHoover]

I remember reading in the Foxrun newsletter a few back that the association made a deal with Bluegreen to sell a number of HOA owned units. Off the top of my head I am thinking the number was between 110-210 with the majority of the weeks being blue weeks. Some of the weeks were red. I would imagine that associated resorts listed with the limited availability have similar availability. Bluegreen should be able to tell you what weeks might be available.

Edit- I looked at the old newsletters and in the summer 2009 newsletter it said the deal with Bluegreen was for 225 units. I don't remember where I saw the breakdown of weeks because I did not see it in any of the newsletters but in 2008 the HOA owned 253 units- 161 blue, 29 white, and 63 red.

[Holly Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Holly]

For what it's worth, I got a spring break week at Landmark Holiday Beach in Panama City, Fl once. Others are harder...I wouldn't count on availability of prime time at the associate resorts. However, you have friends on the boards that may own some fixed weeks that you can work a deal with. I've done that with my Pono Kai and my Lake Condos weeks and traded for the # of points.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

I remember reading in the Foxrun newsletter a few back that the association made a deal with Bluegreen to sell a number of HOA owned units. Off the top of my head I am thinking the number was between 110-210 with the majority of the weeks being blue weeks. Some of the weeks were red. I would imagine that associated resorts listed with the limited availability have similar availability. Bluegreen should be able to tell you what weeks might be available.

Edit- I looked at the old newsletters and in the summer 2009 newsletter it said the deal with Bluegreen was for 225 units. I don't remember where I saw the breakdown of weeks because I did not see it in any of the newsletters but in 2008 the HOA owned 253 units- 161 blue, 29 white, and 63 red.

Thank you Sally,
I wondered about that???? Or is this the kind of info BG keeps to themselves.

That is good information about the FXR units - I am still trying to get a handle on 'associate' versus 'club' as the description in the resort directory makes it seem as if both are readily available.

" Club Resorts
Club Resorts are typically developed and/or managed by Bluegreen Corporation. Although facilities and
amenities may differ depending upon resort location, you can be assured of a warm welcome, excellent
personal service and charming, comfortable surroundings.
Club Associate Resorts
Club Associate Resorts were not originally developed by Bluegreen, but are included in the resort portfolio
to expand the choices available to Bluegreen owners in a variety of attractive vacation destinations.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

For what it's worth, I got a spring break week at Landmark Holiday Beach in Panama City, Fl once. Others are harder...I wouldn't count on availability of prime time at the associate resorts. However, you have friends on the boards that may own some fixed weeks that you can work a deal with. I've done that with my Pono Kai and my Lake Condos weeks and traded for the # of points.

Thanks Holly,
I am looking at everything I own and evaluating what stays and what goes.
I have almost 10 years of II trading experience and there are member resorts that could replace some of my current ownerships and be equivalent in trading value at a lower cost....so I am just testing the waters and gathering info. I was looking at 'white' weeks at the resorts I listed above and was just curious about Big Sky and Sanibel Island.

It is good to know I have friends

[vintner Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close vintner]

Thanks Don,
As highlighted above - is there a different number of units available each week?
And why?
And how do you know there were only 2 units?

For my reference to our trip to Montana, while there, we asked about the BG availablity for units there. The owner of the resort (I believe that who she was) told us for that week, BG had two units. During other parts of the year, there are times when no units are available to BG. This is not a big resort, and it is near a ski resort, so what few units are available do get taken quickly.

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

is there a different number of units available each week?
And why?
And how do you know there were only 2 units?

As others have pointed out, BG gets inventory from 3 or 4 places: 1) BG buys unsold inventory from either the original developer or the HOA; 2) BG gets existing owners to trade in their fixed or flex/float weeks for BG Points; 3) BG either develops the resort from scratch or builds new buildings at existing resorts with all of the new units going into inventory. 4) I believe that BG's new "Point of Service" (or something like that) strategy is similar to 1) above except that BG does not buy unsold inventory, instead BG sells unsold inventory and once sold it goes into the Club. As such, there can be a wide variance in the number of weeks a given unit might be in Club inventory.

You asked how can one find out? Go to the BG "Multi-Site Public Offering Statement" and towards the back you will find many tables listing how many weeks of each color time, of each type of unit type, and at each resort that are in the Club at date of publication. Unfortunately it will not tell you how many week 32 two-bedrooms there are.

Additionally, when I was at Big Sky, I went to the lobby and in their library are copies of HOA minutes, etc., that gives the resort history as well as details of the partnership of Lake Condos with BG.

Charles

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

You can always call reservations to see what is available. Sometimes I'll ask when the next available week for a resort is.

[nicklinneh Member Find all posts View Profile Close nicklinneh]

Can't comment on Lake's BG inventory, although we stayed there last year; but I can tell you about Surfrider's. We own week 24 there and out of 31 units there is one BG unit (it may be higher during hurricane season). How do I know this? Easy. When we arrive, a newsletter in our mailbox tells us everyone's name unit and phone. Also a code: O G X R or VC. Unit 213 is always VC and no others. (If you want to go there anonymously, you have to make up a name.) If I had to guess there would be no more than 150 units available the whole year! -ken

[crwisconsin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close crwisconsin]

If I had to guess there would be no more than 150 units available the whole year! -ken

But that is better than zero units the whole year!.

Charles