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  • Using unqualified points for Premier level benefits

    This is NOT to criticize SOME owners that use their qualified and unqualified points for rentals. It is to point out what I think is a flaw in the waitlist procedure and the loophole of using unqualified points for waitlisting.

    Keep in mind holidays, Spring Break, and, special events (Daytona 500 race, PGA tournament on HH, Piccolo Spoleto Festival in Charleston…) are a preferred rental week. Some of the high demand resorts are Big Cedar, Shorecrest I, La Cabana Beach, Daytona Seabreeze, Lodge Ally Inn and The Hammocks.

    Many BG owners using rentals as a business will do the following to maximize their investment of qualified and unqualified points.

    2bdrm Lodge at Big Cedar
    Midweek check-in 5 days Monday - Friday 3,600 points
    Full week check-in 7 days 15,000 points

    At the platinum level with 60,000 points you can waitlist and booked 16 - 2bdrm lodge units at BC using midweek check-in. Use this same scenario for a studio, a 1bdrm, a 2bdrm cabin, and a 3bdrm cabin. Using midweek check-ins takes a lot inventory out of the system. I think you should be limited to the number of partial week waitlist requests you can have.

    Using unqualified points for waitlisted requests is way to maximize investments in points. When a premier level owner gets to a preferred level they can use unqualified points as if they were qualified points. So a platinum owner with 60,000 qualified points and 150,000 unqualified points will be able to use the 150,000 points as they were qualified points for waitlisting.

    This is directly from a BG.
    “Please be advised that any Club Vacation Points that are not acquired through a Bluegreen sales office or an authorized Club reseller are ineligible for use in attaining Bluegreen Premier status or for use with any associated Bluegreen Premier benefits. Once an owner has attained Platinum status within the Bluegreen Premier program, he or she may choose to purchase additional Points through an unauthorized reseller or an individual, and those Points can be used to make reservations for personal use or placed for rent within the guidelines of standard Vacation Club ownership. However, Premier owners may not utilize any Points which were purchased through an unauthorized reseller or an individual in association with their Premier membership benefits.”

    I think the waitlisting of unqualified points is a loophole in the waitlist process that is being exploited and needs to be stopped in my opinion. I also think waitlisting of unqualified points devalue qualified points and takes prime inventory weeks from other premier level owners. If you feel the same way as I do send emails requesting they enforce their rules for the use of unqualified points.

    We read about owners with 10,000 +/- developer points with a $12,000.00 (maybe more maybe less) mortgage. Is the playing field level for them when mega owners are depleting prime inventory by waitlisting using unqualified points?

    Before the Pinnacle $1.25 per point rule here is how you could get to platinum level for $7,000.00 or less. Purchase at least 57,000 ebay points (10 cents or less per point) and 3,000 points (35 cents per point) through Pinnacle to combine them for 60,000 points and you are at platinum level. Now on ebay BG points are being given away if you take over the MF. This is how some members are becoming mega owners 100,000 points plus (there are a few with over 1,000,000 points) and renting points as a business using unqualified points for waitlisting.

    I am a platinum owner that combined developer points with Pinnacle points to get to platinum level. I got to the gold and then platinum levels for the waitlist benefits. Every 3 years we take a family vacation with my 2 sons and their families. I have thousands of dollars invested in points and have more then I can use and have lost points (due to my fault). So this year I am going to start renting.

  • #2
    You bring up some very good points. I agree. We are Silver and purchased developer points. All we want is to occasionally book a week for ourselves. The waitlist process has not worked for us at all - we do much of our travel on weekends, or at least start our travel on weekends as we have limited vacation time. You are correct that it is tough for us "little guys" to compete for even one week during prime weeks. That was one of the main reasons we wanted Premier status - to get into properties we had trouble with before.

    We spoke wtih a woman (believe she worked with Pinnacle) that did indicate the points are currently undervalued due to so many being sold off of E-bay, etc. for next to nothing. Wish I could purchase more that way, but maintenance fees would get too high for us since we haven't tried renting as of yet.

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    • #3
      There is a loophole using secondary market source points I hope Bluegreen eliminates to make it equitable for all Bluegreen owners. Until they do that your chances are very limited to getting a high demand location.

      This loophole allows the mega owners (with over one hundred thousand points and even up to a million or more points) to use secondary market points to waitlist units in high demand location and rent them out.

      If you are frustrated with not being able to book what you would like you can send BG an email and ask why they are not enforcing their rule that states: Club Vacation Points that are not acquired through a Bluegreen sales office or an authorized Club reseller are ineligible for use in attaining Bluegreen Premier status or for use with any associated Bluegreen Premier benefits.

      I think BG should change the policy of how secondary market points can be used. I think owners that are not at a Bluegreen Premier level but purchased their points at a Bluegreen sales office or an authorized Club reseller should have a 1 month priority period over any secondary market points. To do this secondary market points should be limited to a 10 month window.

      Originally posted by hac
      You bring up some very good points. I agree. We are Silver and purchased developer points. All we want is to occasionally book a week for ourselves. The waitlist process has not worked for us at all - we do much of our travel on weekends, or at least start our travel on weekends as we have limited vacation time. You are correct that it is tough for us "little guys" to compete for even one week during prime weeks. That was one of the main reasons we wanted Premier status - to get into properties we had trouble with before.

      We spoke wtih a woman (believe she worked with Pinnacle) that did indicate the points are currently undervalued due to so many being sold off of E-bay, etc. for next to nothing. Wish I could purchase more that way, but maintenance fees would get too high for us since we haven't tried renting as of yet.

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      • #4
        I respectably disagree with all you have posted.

        By further dividing the "authorized" buyers from the secondary market buyers, you will further devalue your ownership.

        Just ask the Marriott, Starwood and Wyndham owners who have seen their initial investment value plummet as the clubs continue to make resale owners second class citizens.

        I purchased with BGVC BECAUSE they treat all owners fairly.

        As for availability, member/owner Anita has been tracking BGVC availability at 11 months by using the online reservation system. If u have not already done so, request access to the Bluegreen HOA on this board to see the results she has been compiling for several months. You will be surprised that most popular resorts have availability at 11 months.
        Pat
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        • #5
          Originally posted by GrayFal View Post
          I respectably disagree with all you have posted.

          By further dividing the "authorized" buyers from the secondary market buyers, you will further devalue your ownership.

          Just ask the Marriott, Starwood and Wyndham owners who have seen their initial investment value plummet as the clubs continue to make resale owners second class citizens.

          I purchased with BGVC BECAUSE they treat all owners fairly.

          As for availability, member/owner Anita has been tracking BGVC availability at 11 months by using the online reservation system. If u have not already done so, request access to the Bluegreen HOA on this board to see the results she has been compiling for several months. You will be surprised that most popular resorts have availability at 11 months.
          I would agree with most of what you say, GrayFal, except in one instance. Where the premium owner is using this loophole to make a profit. If they are mass booking (and I have no idea if they are or not, just going off of the OP's claim), to rent these rooms out, and not use for personal use, then I would have an issue.

          I am not a premium owner, so I would ask any premium owners this: How would you react if waitlisted properties were unavailable for rentals, and had to be used by the premium owner?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by VA_Traveller
            I would agree with most of what you say, GrayFal, except in one instance. Where the premium owner is using this loophole to make a profit. If they are mass booking (and I have no idea if they are or not, just going off of the OP's claim), to rent these rooms out, and not use for personal use, then I would have an issue.

            I am not a premium owner, so I would ask any premium owners this: How would you react if waitlisted properties were unavailable for rentals, and had to be used by the premium owner?
            I suggest you check Anita's data on the Bluegreen HOA board on this site, it is a bit of a myth that there is no availability.
            I am Gold and I messed up my wait list request for a La Cabana Holiday week - and I was still able to book 3 units for my families trip.

            There are people/owners in every ownership group - Wyndham, Marriott, Starwood, HGVC, Hyatt - who reserve and rent out units. Do you REALLY think this extremely small percentage of owners adversely affect your ability to get a reservation?
            Pat
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            • #7
              To answer your last question - how would I feel if wait listed resies were only for personal use, not rental or gifted to family or deposited with an exchange company.....I would feel that this was an unfair/unattractive/unreasonable policy/practice and would not have purchased with BG.
              I own several Marriott Platinm weeks and because of this, I can reserve at 13 months. I have always gotten the reservations I have wanted using this perk.

              On the other hand, I do not have status with Wyndham but have always gotten the resie I wanted by calling at exactly 10 months. Yet people complain all the time that they can not get Wyndham resies....but I doubt they are calling or going online at 10 months.
              Pat
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GrayFal View Post
                I suggest you check Anita's data on the Bluegreen HOA board on this site, it is a bit of a myth that there is no availability.
                I am Gold and I messed up my wait list request for a La Cabana Holiday week - and I was still able to book 3 units for my families trip.

                There are people/owners in every ownership group - Wyndham, Marriott, Starwood, HGVC, Hyatt - who reserve and rent out units. Do you REALLY think this extremely small percentage of owners adversely affect your ability to get a reservation?
                Personally, I have never had an issue getting what I want. And no where did I suggest that you can't rent out your points, only asked what you're reaction would be if waitlisted reservations were restricted from rentals. I realize that rentals is a normal way of using some of your points.

                nm I see that you answered it now.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Thirsty
                  Midweek check-in 5 days Monday - Friday 3,600 points
                  Full week check-in 7 days 15,000 points
                  I think THIS is the biggest issue, and it is not an uncommon one, but the descrepancy between weekends and weekdays is enormous. With the math above, it costs almost 1 1/4 times the points on a Friday or Saturday night as it does for the rest of the week (keeping in mind Sunday night was not counted).

                  Personally, I think this is just a good vacation strategy and people are using their points the way they benefit them most. Yes, there are probably some members who are renting and prime vacation weeks. However there are probably a lot of members just booking Sunday to Thursday because it costs SUBSTANTIALLY less.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by VA_Traveller
                    Personally, I have never had an issue getting what I want.

                    nm I see that you answered it now.
                    I have a "spacing" problem when I type on the iPad.

                    And I am glad u posted that you do not have Premeire status and get what u want.
                    Pat
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                    • #11
                      I have been told by a Bluegreen Representative there is a BG policy for secondary market points and it states the following: Club Vacation Points that are not acquired through a Bluegreen sales office or an authorized Club reseller are ineligible for use in attaining Bluegreen Premier status or for use with any associated Bluegreen Premier benefits. At this time BG has chosen not to enforce it. So I don't think all owners are being treated fairly.

                      You pay for what you get and secondary market points should be treated as secondary points with no Bluegreen Premier benefits attached to them.



                      Originally posted by GrayFal View Post
                      I respectably disagree with all you have posted.

                      By further dividing the "authorized" buyers from the secondary market buyers, you will further devalue your ownership.

                      Just ask the Marriott, Starwood and Wyndham owners who have seen their initial investment value plummet as the clubs continue to make resale owners second class citizens.

                      I purchased with BGVC BECAUSE they treat all owners fairly.

                      As for availability, member/owner Anita has been tracking BGVC availability at 11 months by using the online reservation system. If u have not already done so, request access to the Bluegreen HOA on this board to see the results she has been compiling for several months. You will be surprised that most popular resorts have availability at 11 months.

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                      • #12
                        If you have the time go to Timeshare Vacation Rentals website and search the high demand areas that BG has property in. I think you will see there are several owners renting units that would have required waitlisting making a profit from doing so. In fact you will be amazed at the number of points some of these owners have.

                        If they are using points purchased from Bluegreen or an authorized Club reseller let them have at it. They can waitlist all their points and rent them for as much as they can get.

                        I just ask BG to enforce the rules and make it equitable for all owners.

                        Originally posted by VA_Traveller
                        I would agree with most of what you say, GrayFal, except in one instance. Where the premium owner is using this loophole to make a profit. If they are mass booking (and I have no idea if they are or not, just going off of the OP's claim), to rent these rooms out, and not use for personal use, then I would have an issue.

                        I am not a premium owner, so I would ask any premium owners this: How would you react if waitlisted properties were unavailable for rentals, and had to be used by the premium owner?

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                        • #13
                          I am Gold but also have 21000 resale points.
                          I can wait list for the resort/reservation I want but the points NEVER come out of the account untill 11th month out . The rule is that the points should be in your account at that 11 month out date, therfore my 21000 resale points are as good as any other points and can be used for a reservation at 11 month.

                          I have the premier bennifit from my gold ownership it is not linked to how I came by the other points.

                          If we are sticking to the rules then you cannot cancel a reservation and then rebook (to use points and BT) in the same phone call you must leave 24hrs before you rebook but please tell me how many non premier owners have broken this rule

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                          • #14
                            This is Bluegreen's policy for secondary market points.

                            “Please be advised that any Club Vacation Points that are not acquired through a Bluegreen sales office or an authorized Club reseller are ineligible for use in attaining Bluegreen Premier status or for use with any associated Bluegreen Premier benefits. Once an owner has attained Platinum status within the Bluegreen Premier program, he or she may choose to purchase additional Points through an unauthorized reseller or an individual, and those Points can be used to make reservations for personal use or placed for rent within the guidelines of standard Vacation Club ownership. However, Premier owners may not utilize any Points which were purchased through an unauthorized reseller or an individual in association with their Premier membership benefits.”

                            Their is a loophole in Bluegreen's policy for using secondary market points however they are not enforcing it. The loophole is allowing members with Premier status to use secondary market points in association with their Premier membership benefits. This allows members to waitlist their secondary market points and have unlimited cancellations with those points. This is a big plus when you are renting out your points. I hope Bluegreen closes this loophole soon.




                            Originally posted by smithiekid View Post
                            I am Gold but also have 21000 resale points.
                            I can wait list for the resort/reservation I want but the points NEVER come out of the account untill 11th month out . The rule is that the points should be in your account at that 11 month out date, therfore my 21000 resale points are as good as any other points and can be used for a reservation at 11 month.

                            I have the premier bennifit from my gold ownership it is not linked to how I came by the other points.

                            If we are sticking to the rules then you cannot cancel a reservation and then book (to use points and BT) in the same phone call you must leave 24hrs before you rebook but please tell me how many non premier owners have broken this rule

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                            • #15
                              I hope they don't and a BIG thanks for pointing this out on a public forum.
                              Pat
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