Points Chart/Calendar Gripe!

[RedMan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RedMan]

I recently purchased a resale points package which has 3200 saved points from 2005 and 8000 current points. The 3200 points expire July 1, 2007.

Not knowing exactly how long it would take for this to close and not wanting to take a chance on losing the 2005 points, I asked the seller if it was possible for them to make a guest reservation for me at BGWC at Big Cedar for the week of March 11 - 18, 2007 (1 bedroom lodge). He said he thought that was possible.

I had already checked the BG Vacation Week Calendar and the Points Table for this resort and determined that week to be week no. 10 (Sunday to Sunday) which is a white week at 4000 points.

The seller did make a reservation for me but told me it would take 6500 points for that week. I told him that sounded like a bit much. He said he would check on it.

A couple of days later he told me that (according to BG) the reason for this was that the Friday and Saturday of that week actually turned to a red week. I would agree with this if I were booking a partial week, but for a full week I think they are doing me dirty.

Is this the way the BG points system normally works? I don't have anything published that would indicate this to be true. My hands are tied because I am not a member until this thing closes. I can not call member services to argue so I told him to go ahead with the reservation.

WHAT A WAY TO START!!!

[zdxlc9p6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zdxlc9p6]

I recently purchased a resale points package which has 3200 saved points from 2005 and 8000 current points. The 3200 points expire July 1, 2007.

Not knowing exactly how long it would take for this to close and not wanting to take a chance on losing the 2005 points, I asked the seller if it was possible for them to make a guest reservation for me at BGWC at Big Cedar for the week of March 11 - 18, 2007 (1 bedroom lodge). He said he thought that was possible.

I had already checked the BG Vacation Week Calendar and the Points Table for this resort and determined that week to be week no. 10 (Sunday to Sunday) which is a white week at 4000 points.

The seller did make a reservation for me but told me it would take 6500 points for that week. I told him that sounded like a bit much. He said he would check on it.

A couple of days later he told me that (according to BG) the reason for this was that the Friday and Saturday of that week actually turned to a red week. I would agree with this if I were booking a partial week, but for a full week I think they are doing me dirty.

Is this the way the BG points system normally works? I don't have anything published that would indicate this to be true. My hands are tied because I am not a member until this thing closes. I can not call member services to argue so I told him to go ahead with the reservation.

WHAT A WAY TO START!!!

I can't state for BG, but HGVC works that way. Their chart shows points for week nights and weekend nights. The sum of 5 week and 2 weekend nights is the same as the weekly points required. If you're using prime time, you use the prime points. I understood this, and thought it was fair when I did this in January 2006.

[RedMan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RedMan]

I can't state for BG, but HGVC works that way.

Not to knock your reply, but I thought this was a Bluegreen forum.

I just would like to know what I am getting into here. If I can't budget my points based on the information they provide then I might as well just call and ask how many points it will take and be at their mercy.

It seems like while I would like to maximize my ownership, Bluegreen would like to minimize it.

I intend to maximize my points and enjoy the resorts as should be expected. If I can't then I sure would not consider buying more points. What would be the point (no pun intended).

I would just like to see in black and white what I have to work with without playing guessing games.

[zdxlc9p6 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zdxlc9p6]

You're right-I'll stay out of other forums!

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Okay, I can answer your question regarding seasonal changes.

The way Bluegreen works is that each unit in every resort has a calendar based on the type of unit it is. For instance, some units are Friday checkin, others are Saturday or Sunday check in. There are even some Thursday-Thursday deeds. That is completely due to how the resort was originally deeded. There is nothing that Bluegreen can do about that.

The point table describes the point values by week number and within a week, the individual point values for each day. However, the actual week number of a unit is based on the underlying deeded week. And, it varies based on whether or not the specific unit you are booking is deeded Fri-Fri, Sat-Sat and Sun-Sun.

For instance, let's take a look at La Cabana. High Red Season are weeks 1-4, Special Season is weeks 5-8. A studio week in High Red Season is 6000 points. A studio week in Special Season is 9000 points.

For a Saturday check in unit, week 4 is January 27, 2007 to Feb 3, 2007.

For a Friday check in unit, week 4 is Janunary 26, 2007 to Feb 2, 2007.

If you book a Saturday check in unit from January 27 to Feb 3, the point value for a studio unit will be 6000 points, which is the value for a week 4 unit for 7-nights in Red Season. That makes sense because you are booking Sat to Sat.

However, if you book a Friday check in unit from January 27 to Feb 3, the point value for that studio unit will be 6900. Even though you booked Sat-Sat. You technically have 2 reservations. One from Sat-Fri for 6-nights in week 4 and another reservation from Fri-Sat for 1-night in week 5 of that particular unit.

That is because the last Friday night is technically in week 5. So that night will be 2700 points instead of 1800 points, which explains the 900 point difference.

This can be confusing. So, if it happens to you, just ask to see if there are Sat-Sat check in units available for week 4. If it is, then you can have it for 6000 points. If not, you can choose to take the Friday check in unit for 6900 points or not book at all.

I know this is confusing. It happens because Bluegreen Vacation Club points are a hybrid system in which you have an underlying deeded week that converts to points at the 11-month before check in mark. You get benefit from the underlying ownership of that fixed week.

If Bluegreen didn't based the system on the underlying fixed week, then it could eliminate this issue by arbitrarily stating that all weeks are Sat-Sat. Then, there would be no ambiguity. WorldMark works that way. But, they don't have the protection of underlying deeded weeks and are getting hosed on a daily basis by the developer diluting ownerships with "hollow" credits that have less value than the existing properties.

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

I recently purchased a resale points package which has 3200 saved points from 2005 and 8000 current points. The 3200 points expire July 1, 2007.

Not knowing exactly how long it would take for this to close and not wanting to take a chance on losing the 2005 points, I asked the seller if it was possible for them to make a guest reservation for me at BGWC at Big Cedar for the week of March 11 - 18, 2007 (1 bedroom lodge). He said he thought that was possible.

I had already checked the BG Vacation Week Calendar and the Points Table for this resort and determined that week to be week no. 10 (Sunday to Sunday) which is a white week at 4000 points.

The seller did make a reservation for me but told me it would take 6500 points for that week. I told him that sounded like a bit much. He said he would check on it.

A couple of days later he told me that (according to BG) the reason for this was that the Friday and Saturday of that week actually turned to a red week. I would agree with this if I were booking a partial week, but for a full week I think they are doing me dirty.

Is this the way the BG points system normally works? I don't have anything published that would indicate this to be true. My hands are tied because I am not a member until this thing closes. I can not call member services to argue so I told him to go ahead with the reservation.

WHAT A WAY TO START!!!

So, back to your specific situation. You need to ask Bluegreen to find you a Sunday-Sunday unit for week 10. Then, you will only be charged 4000 points.

The specific unit that Bluegreen booked for you is a Friday to Friday unit meaning that Sunday to Friday is week 10 and Friday to Sunday is week 11.

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I just realized that I have a serious illness. I can't believe I actually know the answer to this question.

[RedMan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RedMan]

I just realized that I have a serious illness. I can't believe I actually know the answer to this question.

[RedMan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RedMan]

So, back to your specific situation. You need to ask Bluegreen to find you a Sunday-Sunday unit for week 10. Then, you will only be charged 4000 points.

The specific unit that Bluegreen booked for you is a Friday to Friday unit meaning that Sunday to Friday is week 10 and Friday to Sunday is week 11.

Thanks for the clarification. That was all I was looking for. I would rather it be this way and have the protection of the underlying deeded week.

I will now know how to handle this type of situation when I become a "true" owner. Unfortunately for now I will just have to live with what I have since I cannot contact Bluegreen myself.

Thanks again,
Todd

[BocaBum99 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close BocaBum99]

Thanks for the clarification. That was all I was looking for. I would rather it be this way and have the protection of the underlying deeded week.

I will now know how to handle this type of situation when I become a "true" owner. Unfortunately for now I will just have to live with what I have since I cannot contact Bluegreen myself.

Thanks again,
Todd

Todd,

Welcome to the club. Bluegreen is a fantastic point system. There are a ton of weird rules that result from the underlying deeds. Stick around and you will learn all these tricks. It will make it much easier for you to use your ownership and get the maximum value out of it.

[BoardGirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoardGirl]

I think part of the problem was using a middleman, so, yes, life will be easier when you can contact them yourself.

Upside, there is no guessing how many points when you have the tables and week calendars. They don't change the number of points.

I commend you on planning ahead to use those saved points before they expire.