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  • Christmas Mountain Village and Shenandoah Crossing UDIs

    In honor of CZ, I thought we should create a thread just for him to discuss his passion, the Christmas Mountain Village UDI. Since Shenandoah Crossing has UDIs as well, I thought I would include them in the discussion.

    Here's a quick overview.

    Christmas Mountain Village UDIs are a very unique ownership within timesharing. It is almost like a modified fractional where your ownership enables you access to multiple weeks of usage. Each CMV UDI has 17-deeded weeks for each unit. There are CMV UDIs in the Cottages and the Oak Timbers.

    As part of these ownerships, each owner is entitled to 1 red and 2 non-red reservations per year. If every UDI owner booked every interval available to them, then each UDI owner would receive exactly 3 weeks of usage equalling 1 red, 1 white and 1 blue week or 1 red and 2 whites or 1 red and 2 blue weeks.

    However, as is the case for most timesharing, many people do not reserve every week they are entitled to book. So, saavy owners can book up to 10-14 weeks per year by out booking reservations as quickly as they can. The rule is you can rebook a week as soon as the check in day arrives.

    In addition, you can have a 4th reservation as long as it is booked within 45-days of check in.

    In addition to your annual maintenance fees, you pay a housekeeping fee of around $50/week for each week you reserve.

    There are many strategies for using a Christmas Mountain Village UDI. One popular one is to rent the summer red weeks and one or two white weeks to pay for your maintenance fees. Then, take the rest of your weeks and deposit them into RCI or II to book exchanges or deposit weeks into RCI Points for deposit to get cheap airline tickets.

    In any event, this is a very cost effective ownership if you are diligent in your booking of reservations and managing rentals.
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  • #2
    Boca, you forgot to list the basic differances between the 4 differant types of UDI's at CMV. Har, Har, Har.

    Bruce
    The Rushes Door Co., wk 35. Desert Club Las Vegas RCI Pts. 1 UDI Cottage CMV UDI's & 7 Oak Timbers CMV UDI's with 30,000 Bluegreen Pts. 3 World Wide Vacation Club Lind Mar Puerto Vallarta. Fox Hills RCI Pts More of our Timeshare Ownerships.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by brucecz
      Boca, you forgot to list the basic differances between the 4 differant types of UDI's at CMV. Har, Har, Har.

      Bruce
      Do you mean pure cottages, 9000 point cottages, pure timbers and 9000 point timbers? Or something else? Why don't you help us out Bruce?
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      • #4
        Yes, but I hate to type any more that nessessary, so I will let you have the honor of explaining.

        Bruce

        Originally posted by BocaBum99
        Do you mean pure cottages, 9000 point cottages, pure timbers and 9000 point timbers? Or something else? Why don't you help us out Bruce?
        The Rushes Door Co., wk 35. Desert Club Las Vegas RCI Pts. 1 UDI Cottage CMV UDI's & 7 Oak Timbers CMV UDI's with 30,000 Bluegreen Pts. 3 World Wide Vacation Club Lind Mar Puerto Vallarta. Fox Hills RCI Pts More of our Timeshare Ownerships.

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        • #5
          Shenandoah housekeeping fee is about $100/week.
          ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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          • #6
            Originally posted by brucecz
            Yes, but I hate to type any more that nessessary, so I will let you have the honor of explaining.

            Bruce
            Do someting and Start typing or I will put a lobster in your bed when you sleep. Hey I can then say Brucey sleeps with the fishs.
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            • #7
              Frank, why do you think it would be a good idea to buy a cat in St Croix?

              I think that is what you were asking about when you asked me to ask Sandcrab if there were any good cathouses near the resort and do they deliver.

              Frank a lobster is not classified as a fish.

              Now Frank quit straying off topic or you face being suppended by me.

              Bruce

              Originally posted by bigfrank
              Do someting and Start typing or I will put a lobster in your bed when you sleep. Hey I can then say Brucey sleeps with the fishs.
              The Rushes Door Co., wk 35. Desert Club Las Vegas RCI Pts. 1 UDI Cottage CMV UDI's & 7 Oak Timbers CMV UDI's with 30,000 Bluegreen Pts. 3 World Wide Vacation Club Lind Mar Puerto Vallarta. Fox Hills RCI Pts More of our Timeshare Ownerships.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by brucecz
                Frank a lobster is not classified as a fish.

                Now Frank quit straying off topic or you face being suppended by me.

                Bruce
                You forgot the sign

                BTW
                1 week to go to the hour.
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                • #9
                  Hey you guys...I thought this was a serious thread on Bruces' tricks of the trade....oh well,,,,good night
                  Pat
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GrayFal
                    Hey you guys...I thought this was a serious thread on Bruces' tricks of the trade....oh well,,,,good night

                    Yes you are right. If Bruce posts some tricks we will clean this up and make it right. Sorry Jim for screwing around with a serious thread.
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                    • #11
                      I don't mind the playful banter. It makes the message board fun. We can't be too serious. After all, we are all in timesharing for "fun" and for "family"

                      Bruce, please add some of your thoughts here. Heck, post one of your ads if you like that describes the UDIs.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BocaBum99
                        I don't mind the playful banter. It makes the message board fun. We can't be too serious. After all, we are all in timesharing for "fun" and for "family"

                        Bruce, please add some of your thoughts here. Heck, post one of your ads if you like that describes the UDIs.
                        Jim, below is a post I just posted on Tug that has something to do with trading power assigned to Wisconsin weeks in comparison to Orlado, the Keys and Las Vegas trading power using the II demand index. I think it is informative and may surprize some readers,

                        You know what I am talking about seeing that you have access to both my RCI weeks and RCI points accounts and have a good idea of a UDI's trading summer on both RCI weeks and RCI Points.

                        I may not have a lot of time to post a lot more as I have to get some stuff finished for our accountant so I can leave this Thursday for St Croix to meet whats his name next week.

                        On II's travel demand index of 0 to 150 with 100 being a average week, week 52 for Orlando resorts is only at 105, week 51 at 100 , but weeks 5,5,7,8,15 at 120, week's 9 & 13 at the top at 130 and weeks 10,11,12,14,16 at 125.

                        The lowest rated weeks in Orlando are at 70.

                        Now for the southren coasts of Florida and the Keys weeks 5,7,9,10,11,12,13 top out the chart at 150 while week 51 is only 90 and week 52 at 110.


                        On the northren coast week 51 is only 75 and week 52 is only 80. Those ratings also to a degree also reflect rental price power and are why I sold our week 52 in Daytona and bought in the Keys and have booked Easter weeks.

                        IMHO week 52 in the Keys and especially in a party place like Key West be excellant for trades or rentals, but inland Florida resorts be of far lesser trading power but with Orlando being better than the average inland resort for trades or rentals.


                        IMHO it seems that Easter, then Presidents weeks followed by weeks 8 to 13 would in Florida be the best trading-rental weeks with weeks 51 and 52 being in about the top 1/4 to 1/3 except for the resorts in Orlando making the top 1/4 to 1/5 in Orlando trading power but way behind the southren coast resort and especially the Keys resorts.

                        I am one based on our trading experiance and on Tug exchanging posts think II's Travel demand index is right on.

                        What may surprise people is that if you look at the Wisconson prime summer weeks in II Travel index you would see that weeks 30, 32 are at 125 weeks 25,27,28,are at 140, weeks 24 31 at 145 and week 26 is at 150. That makes them rated higher than the Orlando weeks and equal in a lot of cases the top Keys weeks in demand.

                        Those of you who know of Tugs Spense, Big Frank now know why they say the Wisconsin summer weeks are excellant traders.

                        IMHO if you are looking for a trader then try and get a old II resort Directory and look up the demand of various locations in search of finding a sleeper tiger trader.

                        If you check the Las Vegas week 52 in II's travel index does it's rating compare in demand to or beat the top rated Wisconson summer weeks?

                        Bruce
                        The Rushes Door Co., wk 35. Desert Club Las Vegas RCI Pts. 1 UDI Cottage CMV UDI's & 7 Oak Timbers CMV UDI's with 30,000 Bluegreen Pts. 3 World Wide Vacation Club Lind Mar Puerto Vallarta. Fox Hills RCI Pts More of our Timeshare Ownerships.

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                        • #13
                          Listed here are not some tricks but some treats that cmv UDI owners have access to.

                          You can use the CMV UDI's for RCI and II exchanges and if you have a differant RCI Points resort you can deposit your NON RCI Point weeks from your CMV UDI's into your RCI Point account and get RCI PoInts.

                          Please note. At times we have used some of our weeks for exchanges with Interval International

                          Some of us even use those RCI points for airfare, Disney Hopper tickets, Car rentals, etc.

                          To help answer your question about how many reservations can be booked off of just one CMV UDI ownership. Below my name is a listing of the CMV "Pure" Cottage UDI reservations we reserved off of just one of our 8 CMV UDI ownerships in about one year.

                          Below the first group of listings are a second group of listings off of just one "blended" Oak Timbers UDI which does not get as many as a "Pure" UDI

                          PS, feel free to call me ( as I am a very slow & bad typer)if you think I can be of any help to you (or others) with regard to CMV UDI's.

                          Brucecz


                          ------ Cancels
                          ------ Exchanges #
                          ------ Points Reservations on your Conversion Account

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B 06 502 40 10/07/06 10/14/06 7 48 F T R Not used as of yet.

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B 06 503 40 10/07/06 10/14/06 7 48 F T R Not used as of yet

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B 06 359 26 6/30/06 7/07/06 7 48 F 2 R Not used as of yet

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B 06 513 12 3/25/06 4/01/06 7 48 F T R Not used as of yet

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B H 06 96657 09 3/04/06 3/11/06 7 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 JOCHIMSEN,G H 06 96617 05 2/04/06 2/09/06 5 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 JOCHIMSEM, G HYBQQ 06 532 05 2/04/06 2/09/06 5 48 F T R Rented Out

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B HGG6G 06 520 04# 1/28/06 2/04/06 7 F T P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B HGG91 06 512 04# 1/28/06 2/04/06 7 F T P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B HPRR6 06 86489 02 1/14/06 1/18/06 4 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B HMJJ9 06 83056 01 1/07/06 1/11/06 4 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT391/02 CZAJKOWSKI, B GZGVH 06 526 52# 12/24/05 12/31/05 7 F T P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GL43J 06 25760 47 11/19/05 11/26/05 7 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B G8257 06 74235 45 11/05/05 11/12/05 7 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GLLLN 06 23828 43 10/29/05 11/05/05 7 48 F 2 C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GLLPL 06 165 43# 10/28/05 11/04/05 7 F 2 P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GLLQX 06 24702 43 10/28/05 11/04/05 7 48 F 2 C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GMTMT 06 166 43# 10/28/05 11/04/05 7 F 2 P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GL4ZC 06 24703 42 10/22/05 10/29/05 7 48 F 2 C

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GYSRZ 06 505 37# 9/10/05 9/17/05 7 F T P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GWJJH 06 44738 35 8/27/05 9/02/05 6 48 F T C

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GS90N 06 35584 33 8/16/05 8/18/05 2 48 F T C

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B F0Q1K 06 19541 32 8/12/05 8/19/05 7 F T C

                          06 CT39 H., LISA GH4FZ 06 529 31 7/30/05 8/06/05 7 F T R Rented out

                          06 CT39 C., DIANE GQDN4 06 367 28 7/15/05 7/19/05 4 F 2 R Rented out

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GHZS0 06 367 24 6/18/05 6/24/05 6 48 F 2 R

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B FNVJD 06 367 20* 5/20/05 5/27/05 7 F 2 P\ Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B FP28K 06 364 20 5/20/05 5/27/05 7 F 2 P

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B GB5MJ 06 18062 19 5/07/05 5/12/05 5 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 P., ISELYN F3H5B 06 361 14 4/08/05 4/15/05 7 F 2 R Rented out

                          06 CT39 S., WIL FNS29 06 71980 13 4/01/05 4/08/05 7 48 F T C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B FV4FQ 06 334 08# 2/19/05 2/26/05 7 F T P Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI,BR FF7GH 06 505 06# 2/05/05 2/12/05 7 F T R Banked for RCI Points

                          06 CT39 CZAJKOWSKI, B FQQ76 06 173 01# 1/07/05 1/14/05 7 F 2 P Banked for RCI Points

                          Please note, at times we have used some of our reservations for exchanges with Interval International. We also do more rentals with our CMV UDI Oak Timbers as they are larger and have one more bath room.
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                          Below are the reservations from just one CMV Oak Timbers UDI that has 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms and has free golfing and ski lift privileges. The Cottages do not have those privileges.

                          ------ Cancels
                          ------ Exchanges #
                          ------ Bluegreen Points Reservations on your Conversion Account



                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B H 22 72 39 9/30/06 10/07/06 7 50 F M R Not used as of yet

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B G 22 809-2 26 6/30/06 7/07/06 7 9000 P 2 R Bluegreen Points
                          Not used as of yet

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 67 20 5/20/06 5/27/06 7 50 F M R Not used as of yet

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 59 08# 2/25/06 3/04/06 7 50 F M R Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM72/12 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 63 01 1/07/06 1/14/06 7 F M R

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 81683 52 12/31/05 1/07/06 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 71 41 10/08/05 10/15/05 7 F M R

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B F 22 68 40# 10/01/05 10/08/05 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 36518 36 9/03/05 9/10/05 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation



                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B GVC7T 22 66 35# 8/27/05 9/03/05 7 F M R Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 18874 30 7/23/05 7/30/05 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 S., MITZI 22 67 28 7/09/05 7/16/05 7 F M R. Rented Out

                          50 TM7 C., JOS 22 815-2 26 7/02/05 7/09/05 7 9000 P 2 R Rented out

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 15394 25 6/18/05 6/25/05 7 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation



                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 04430 21 5/21/05 5/26/05 5 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation



                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 03679 13 3/26/05 4/02/05 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 04842 13 3/26/05 4/02/05 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 67 06# 2/05/05 2/12/05 7 F M R Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B 22 68 04# 1/22/05 1/29/05 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, 22 69 04# 1/22/05 1/29/05 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B DX85T 22 32157 47 11/20/04 11/27/04 7 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 L., SCOT DYP1J 22 57 47 11/20/04 11/27/04 7 F M R Rented out

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B DT4BD 22 68 43# 10/23/04 10/30/04 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 Z., MARI DXQBM 22 68 33 8/14/04 8/21/04 7 F M R Rented Out

                          50 TM7 S., JOHN C19M6 22 58 29 7/17/04 7/24/04 7 9000 P M R Rented Out

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B DKHGC 22 71 22# 5/29/04 6/05/04 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B C176H 22 82531 18 5/08/04 5/15/04 7 8000 P 2 C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation



                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B C1789 22 66 19# 5/08/04
                          5/15/04 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 CZAJKOWSKI, B C1790 22 66 18# 5/01/04 5/08/04 7 F M P Banked for RCI Points

                          50 TM7 BRUCE CZAJKOW C51GK 22 89969 06 2/07/04 2/13/04 6 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          50 TM7 BRUCE CZAJKOW C51JB 22 04339 06 2/07/04 2/13/04 6 50 F M C. Cancelled at no charge, then rebooked as a different reservation


                          Bruce if you need anything else please let me know! As usual it was a pleasure speaking with you!

                          Thank you,

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                          • #14
                            A related question on UDI

                            Ok, so I'm at *maybe* orange belt compared to Bruce's 5th Dan black belt on this issue :-)

                            I have a question that will become important to me when I pay MF soon for the coming year. I have one pure cottage UDI (obtained for a good price, but not anything like some of Bruce's steals).

                            I currently have booked my two "non-red" weeks in October, and my red week in July. My current 4th week is in April, and I hope to book a week some time in June when that one is up.

                            So, let's assume that I get that June week, I'll have:

                            White: October
                            White: October
                            Red: July (week 27 I think, 7-14 July)
                            4th: June

                            Does Bluegreen track that 4th week in any special way, or does it just show that I have four weeks booked? Put another way, can they tell the difference between the week I reserved back in January (the one in July) and the week I reserved inside 45 days (the hypothetical one in June)?
                            Put another another way, if I want to book a week next summer (July 2007), can I book it:

                            (a) on July 1, after making another 45-day reservation when the June one expires (this would seem to give me 5 weeks on the contract at once, so I'm guessing no)

                            (b) on July 1, without making another 45-day reservation when the June one expires (this would seem to be my 4th reservation, so I expect the answer is again no, because it's outside the 45-day limit)

                            (c) On July 7th (the start date of my "regular" red week), having made a 45-day reservation when the June week expires (I would like this to be true, but suspect it won't be (see below))

                            (d) On July 7th, if I have not made a 45-day reservation when the June one expired (because on 7 July, I will then have only my two white weeks on the books).

                            (e) None of the above.

                            I've written these out so that Bruce can save typing and send one-letter answers :-) I suspect that the answer is (d), meaning that Bluegreen doesn't distinguish what kind of week was reserved, they only count how many reservations are on the contract at one time. If the answer is (e), I would appreciate some typing :-)

                            In reference to (c), I suspect that on July 7th I could make another 45-day reservation because I would already have 3 on the books (2 October white and a 45-day red made in June).

                            In reference to (d), I expect that I could make a reservation in July 2007 and then immediately make another 45-day reservation in August 2006 (if any weeks were available).

                            Any clarification on my confusion is most welcome.

                            sc
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                            • #15
                              Okay grasshopper. Time for the purple belt lesson.

                              I'm not Bruce, but here is the answer to your question. The answer is that it depends on which vacation counselor you speak to at Bluegreen.

                              First of all, the point is moot because you will not be able to rebook your 45-day reservation when your April check in day arrives. You would have been able to do so 2 years ago. But, there are now too many tuggers and TS4M owners for May white weeks to be readily available. I expect that trend to continue.

                              If you were able to book it, then the rules state that "D" is the correct answer. However, "C" is the correct answer for some vacation counselors who do not know any better.
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