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  • Powhatan Annual Meeting Saturday 2Dec06

    I got my notice yesterday. Was a little surprised that they had outsourced the notification/proxy business. They must have a quorum to conduct business but for the present, your proxy means nothing other than meeting the quorum, there are no votes cast. So it is important that people send them in because it costs the HOA(us) more if they have to do another mailing because they didn't get a quorum for the annual meeting. A few years back, prior to going to my first Powhatan annual meeting I collected scads of proxies only to find that there was no voting. So please just send your proxy in.

    Sunterra is still in control of the BOD-Board of Directors, there are five seats and Sunterra people occupy three of them. The other two people were selected by Sunterra but are owners who are independent of the company.

    For many years Powhatan has exisited with no ongoing building program, why? Well, my understanding is that Virginia laws dictate that the project be turned over to an owner controlled HOA-HomeOwner Association when the project is 90% complete. The prior developer and then Sunterra never finished the planned/zoned number of units, stopping at less than 90% of zoned limits, so they have never turned over control. Pressures mounted and the remaining 10 or 11% are being constructed and supposedly owner control is coming.....

    Sunterra no longer sells deeded property. They sell membership/points in a 'Trust' backed by deeded property held by a Trustee. The Sunterra Trust includes property at Powhatan and Greensprings and 17 or so other Sunterra properties. The new construction at Powhatan will be in the Trust.

    Sunterra is actively buying all foreclosed property at Powhatan. Paying for the legal proceedings and paying for the maintenance fees, out of the goodness of their heart. My understanding is that Powhatan will now take deed-backs, saving the need for foreclosure, and Sunterra is taking all those, whether the HOA gets anything, I don't know. So what is Sunterra doing with all these unwanted weeks? They meld them into the Trust and can then sell the points as 'new.' WOW! My question is, why don't they swoop up all the off season/shoulder season weeks that go for nothing on eBay?

    So Sunterra is supposedly going to turn control of the HOA to the owners. Do you know how fractured a set of owners it is? 51 or 52 owners for each unit times the number of units. Sunterra now holds the proxy vote for the new construction 10% through the(ir) Trustee and for God knows how many units they are collecting through foreclosures and deed-backs. This is going to form a voting block that will be hard to match and the owners of the Trust membership/points have no say in what the Trustee does.

    Maintenance fees are up 7.18% to $835.25 for a C/D unit. New construction is called a C/D 'Deluxe' unit and has higher maintenance fees of $866.50 maybe to pay for Plasma big screens or something, I don't see where any person would ever be confronted with the $866.50 for the new construction 10% because that property will be in the Trust and the owner would pay the melded maintenance fees of the Trust depending on the share of ownership (points) that they buy.

    C/D new construction Deluxe units will have a higher points value per unit for those wanting to book. Building 84 the burned out building is, by my understanding, being rebuilt to the specs of the new contruction. Old owners I guess will now own 'Deluxe' units with Deluxe maintenance fees, so I guess there will be people confronted with the $866.50. Good question. I guess Bldg84 will also be valued at more points now.

    While I'm not collecting proxies because it has no meaning. I do encourage owners to send them in and to respond to this thread with your questions and concerns as i am planning on going to the meeting.
    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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    Powhatan

    We recently visited there to see what type of property we bought. No Marriott but a decent buy for the price. I liked the front porches - good for sitting in the evening or for parking the bikes. We also liked the roominess of the upper unit more than the hot-tub in the lower unit. The only gripe with our visit is that we were there when it was raining buckets / waves of rain and we went into the unit that was not refurbished but we thought it was the one to tour. I found out later that it was the one next door.

    I guess you will be asking when ownership will be turned over so that will be helpful. Will send in our proxy...
    JEMartin

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    • #3
      Developers trying to hang on to control of resorts instead of turning them over to homeowners is a big problem. It looks like Sunterra is scheming to hang onto Powhatan. I wouldn't even think of buying into such a mess.

      On the OBX, there is a similar problem with the Barrier Island Station resorts.
      Two of them are long sold out, but still firmly under the developers thumb.
      At Ocean Pines, the declaration of covenents provides that the HOA be turned over when the resort was 80% sold out. The original developer stopped selling just short of 80%, the word being that there were things in the books that he wouldn't want an independent board to see. He them sold the resort to Barrier Island, which fininishing selling but has done nothing to turn over the HOA to the owners. It has been that way for years. At BIS-Duck, the declaration gives a specific time period when control is to be turned over, which has long since passed, with no change in control.

      There is a fair amount of grumbling among BIS owners about this situation, but as yet no action.

      One other OBX developer, First Flight Buiiders, also tried to hand on to control, but owners at their four resorts organized, hired lawyers, and drove them out. The first group in court, Dunes South, took the case all the way to the appellate courts and won. That paved the way for settlements ousting First Flight at the other resorts.

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      • #4
        Powhatan Newsletter

        Just as a FYI, I've been checking regularly to see what the newsletter for the Fall 2006 will include. It is now available on the Powhatan Owners website.

        One thing that it does not mention is what units will be renovated in 2007. Perhaps you can ask that question, Spence, at the owners meeting on the 2nd.

        Thanxxx much!
        JEMartin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Jimbo
          Just as a FYI, I've been checking regularly to see what the newsletter for the Fall 2006 will include. It is now available on the Powhatan Owners website.
          One thing that it does not mention is what units will be renovated in 2007. Perhaps you can ask that question, Spence, at the owners meeting on the 2nd.
          Thanxxx much!
          I think that way below the radar and probably pretty obvious from the numbers that they do show on the website. Of significance is that PhaseV 'D' units have less than adequate kitchens and they will be upgraded in the next refurbishment phase, I think.
          Completed 2004
          91 Units (139 Keys)
          43 Single Units
          48 A/B Units (96 Keys)
          Units 1-81
          Units 87-91
          Units 122-126

          Completed 2005
          85 C/D Units (170 Keys)
          Units 82-86
          Units 92-121
          Units 127-176

          Completed 2006
          51 C/D Units (102 Keys)
          Units 227-262
          Units 271-285
          ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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          • #6
            Elsewhere on the Powhatan owners web site they say:

            "We have completed all Single and A/B units as well as 85 of the C/D style by 2005. In 2006 we completed 51 additional units in Phase VI. Our goal is to have all unit refurbishments completed by 2010. The renovations are schedule based on age and condition of the units. For 2007 we tentatively plan to complete Phase VI (buildings 59 and 60)..."

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            • #7
              Where did you find this statement, Rod? I was hoping to see their plans for renovations.

              TIA for your response.
              JEMartin

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              • #8
                Look under We're Glad You Asked!

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                • #9
                  2010?

                  Originally posted by Jimbo
                  Where did you find this statement, Rod? I was hoping to see their plans for renovations.

                  TIA for your response.
                  That is way too long for desperately needed renovations. It's like Orange Lake or some other mega resorts - if you get one of the renovated areas you'll be happy if not you'll most likely be very disappointed at best.

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                  • #10
                    At Powhatan, last chance for questions or concerns for annual meeting.
                    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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                    • #11
                      Powhatan

                      What ever happened regarding the building that was destoyed by fire
                      Have they/Are they going to rebuild it
                      Can Powhatan assigned new deeds - did owners get an alternate unit

                      Also what is the status regarding the old Hot Tubs - Whirlpools
                      Are they going to replace them and if so when will it take place

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                      • #12
                        What ever happened regarding the building that was destoyed by fire? Have they/Are they going to rebuild it?
                        Can Powhatan assigned new deeds - did owners get an alternate unit?
                        All that info has been posted at www.powhatanowners.com
                        Also what is the status regarding the old Hot Tubs - Whirlpools? Are they going to replace them and if so when will it take place?
                        Too far below the radar.
                        ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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                            • #15
                              Powhatan Mtg

                              Spence,

                              Any notes on the meeting today?
                              JEMartin

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