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  • Buying resale

    Hey guys,

    Still trying to figure out who we should purchase our next timeshare from and where we should purchase it at. I found a guy in California who seems real knowledgable about Diamond and owns a load of points himself. He has currently went from the computer industry to timeshare management, ie; buying, selling and renting. Here is what he is suggesting I do, mind you, he is offering me this from his current stock. The Florida Trust would be about $4,000.


    Interested in 5,500 to 6,000 points, want to convert the re-sale back into Club.

    The simple solution for you is to buy the Diamond Resorts US Collection (DRUSC), also known as FL 19 Resort Trust. DRI only requires a transfer form to be signed and notarized so I can sell you one of these where you could be mailing the form (signed both of us) to DRI within a week of when you pay me. The DRI will take 2-8 weeks to complete the transfer. If you buy a deeded week the closing process will require a closing company (costs you $300-$550) who will take 1-3 months to complete the process, then they send the papers to DRI who will then take 2-8 weeks. Thus, buying the DRUSC contract saves a lot of time and some money.

    There are a few reasons to buy a deeded contract.

    - Resort priority – if you travel to a specific resort more often than others and like being able to reserve 11-12 months in advance, deeded property is an excellent choice. I believe this is true even if you are getting a deeded resort which also belongs in the DRUSC 19 resorts (there is an odd glitch in the Club reservation system which segregates deeded ownership in each the 19 resorts from DRUSC availability. Even though the DRUSC has reservation priority at the 19 resorts up to 13 months, it appears to be in a different availability group than the deeded resorts in Club. Thus, there are times when deeded resorts in Club have exclusive access to the individual resort during the 11-12 month period and the 19 resort trust owners must wait until 10 months before having access).

    o Owning at the Kaanapali Beach Club can thus be of benefit.

    - The resorts provide direct owners larger rental discounts. If you don’t have enough points or Club doesn’t show availability, many resorts provide better rental discounts to direct owners then Club owners who own elsewhere. This benefit varies from resort to resort.

    - The resale value can be higher (or lower). Buying resale at KBC will cost more per point, but you are more likely to be able to sell later for more money or more quickly. You may have more difficulty with an AZ deeded contract or other places. Of course, these other places cost less to buy in the first place!


    Advantages to the DRUSC contract.

    - If you don’t convert it into Club, you have access to 19 resorts while the deeded contracts are a single resort and sometimes limit you to a specific unit and specific week number.

    - You can make reservations 13 months in advance at the 19 resorts rather than 12 or 10.

    - When making reservations less than 60 days in advance you get ½ off even if not in Club!

    This guy seems very honest. He says that he will put in the purchase agreement that if I cannot convert, he will buy it back for what I paid including extra fees; closing costs... .

    Can someone give me an opinion about all this?

    Casandra

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    • Cassandra - Peter is very straightforward and trustworthy.
      ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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      • You seem to be really informed. I am confused. Our sales person at DRI said they are just now beginning to convert to the point system. He also said as a resale customer we would not have normally been offered this option. Is there a forum I can checkout to fill me in on all of this?

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        • Originally posted by Carlotta
          You seem to be really informed. I am confused. Our sales person at DRI said they are just now beginning to convert to the point system. He also said as a resale customer we would not have normally been offered this option. Is there a forum I can checkout to fill me in on all of this?
          You've found it already.
          ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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          • Originally posted by Spence
            You've found it already.
            Carlotta. This is the forum, in case you do not 100% understand Spence's statement.
            EMAIL me if you wish, do NOT PM

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            • Just found this forum and thread after completing an upgrade and conversion today at Lake Tahoe Vacation Resort. I am an original owner from the Embassy days and never converted to Sunterra.

              Attended an Owner Update today signed to convert my traditional deeded property to 11,000 point in California Trust with a purchase of 4000 additional point at just more than $20k but they would give me a delay usage credit of $6k for the 4000 point till 2009. So final about $15k out the door with the additional 4000 pt that make me Elite member in 2009.

              Is there a better route I should have taken to get into The Club? I am getting tired of coming to the same resort or the hazzle of renting it out every year and hence make the Club sounds exciting. However, giving some more thoughts, the California Trust seems to have diluted our interest in Lake Tahoe Vacation Resort, a premium resort that got me to purchase in the first place.

              Are there alternative route to the Club that I could have taken that save me some money and retain a better valued ownership for keep or resale? Here at California we have a 7 day no penality back out period so I can really use your advice right now. I hope this is not a dead thread as the last post was 2+ month old.

              Thanks!

              mecca

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              • Not a dead thread at all!

                4000 points can be purchased on ebay for under $1000. Once purchased, you could assign your deeds and new points to The Club for $2995 instead of 1st converting them to a Trust.

                $15,000 instead of $4,000 is a bit high. I would suggest you rescind, read this forum through a few times, watch Ebay for a while, then do what I suggested in about 6 months!

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                • Originally posted by dwmantz
                  Not a dead thread at all!

                  4000 points can be purchased on ebay for under $1000. Once purchased, you could assign your deeds and new points to The Club for $2995 instead of 1st converting them to a Trust.

                  $15,000 instead of $4,000 is a bit high. I would suggest you rescind, read this forum through a few times, watch Ebay for a while, then do what I suggested in about 6 months!
                  Thanks for the reply. So the 4000 point I shop for could be any DRI points deeded or not right? DRI is still doing deed assignment to Club for $2995 at this time? How do I go about doing that?

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                  • Resale weeks and joining THE ClubSM

                    "Interesting" post on yahoo groups attributed to the Vice President of Global Club Operations -and- the Chief Experience Officer:

                    It is at odds with what I've been personally told within the last year, but may be a change.

                    Resale weeks and joining THE ClubSM

                    The Club Manager does not allow either members or non-members to join THE ClubSM purely by having purchased a DRI resort resale week and paying the $2995 joining fee. Both members and non-members must purchase points from our sales team and at that time their week will be considered for conversion. Diamond Resorts International® does not wish for any of its Member to potentially be unscrupulously misled into believing that they can purchase resale weeks on the open market and then use those weeks to convert into THE Club.

                    The specific clause in THE ClubSM documents stating such can be found in the current Disclosure Guide for THE ClubSM (Section 3 Participation in THE ClubSM) and in the Charter for THE ClubSM (Section 3 Membership, sub section 3.2 Basis of Membership).

                    “Similarly, no purchaser or owner of a Qualifying Interest in an Affiliated Multi-Site Plan shall necessarily become a Member automatically, merely by purchasing Membership,…”

                    Club Dues

                    Club Dues are often referred to as maintenance fees or management fees and are made up of two parts:

                    Property and Services Fee
                    These fees relate to the maintenance, refurbishment and operation of the resorts within your Collection and the number of points you own. Therefore, the amount charged to each member will always differ.
                    The property and services fee is made up of two parts;
                    a) a Collection base fee that all members pay irrespective of the number of points they own
                    b) a Collection per point fee. For 2008 the per point fee was $0.08

                    Club Fee
                    This is the fee for being a member of THE ClubSM and covers all the services required to operate THE ClubSM, including, the management of THE ClubSM, member benefits, the web services, member publications and collateral materials. The Club fee is the same for every member irrespective of how many points the member owns.

                    How are Club Dues determined?
                    Club Dues are determined following a set annual process:
                    1. Each resort budget is proposed to the Committee of each individual resort. After much discussion and analysis a final budget is approved.
                    2. An appropriate proportion of the Resort’s budget in so far as it relates to accommodation that will be utilized by the members of that Collection is calculated. Similar assessments are completed for all Resorts and these costs are then consolidated. Any additional costs that are going to be necessary to run the Collection are then included and the proposed budget is established. After much discussion and analysis, a final budget is approved.
                    3. The individual fees per point are calculated and the Members of the Collection are invoiced the Club Fee for operating THE ClubSM plus the Property and Services Fee.



                    Sarah Hulme | Vice President of Global Club Operations | Diamond Resorts International® | Phone: +;1 702 804 8639 | Cell: +;1 702 321 9011


                    Patrick C. Duffy | Chief Experience Officer | Diamond Resorts International® | Tel: 702.304.7145 | 702.304.7099 | Cell: 702.539.8962
                    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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                    • Sounds as if the sands are shifting again. Unless you buy direct, there are no guarentee's. If you buy a resale week it's best that you buy a week that you can use rather than just purchasing any week and assuming you'll be able to get it converted to THE Club.

                      IMO, only allowing owners who buy direct to become memebers of THE Club only serves the sales floor and not the membership in general. Resale weeks that are not allowed to join THE Club will become inventory that is not available to other THE Club members for exchane through THE Club. At some point in time that will make a membership in THE Club less attractive and, eventually useless. I do not like the idea that a DRI developed resort does not have 100% of it's inventory available through internal exchange and that I may have to pay an I.I. exchange fee just to exchange into another DRI resort.

                      Sure they have to make money and I understand that. They also have to deliver a product that is worth something to those that own it.
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                      • Ok, I have been reading a ton of stuff on this and a few (million) other threads on this board and am so confused...
                        We are members of "The Club"
                        We own 30000 DRI/Sunterra points which makes us Gold Elite, oh, boy, joy...
                        I found a resale of 15000 points that looks like I could get for under $1000 to $2000, with the escrow costs included....
                        However from what I am reading it sounds like DRI doesn't have to let us convert this into our current points usage? So that if we got the new pts. we woudl have 2 seperate accounts with DRI? I read on a different thread that some of the deals were being returned "denied" with the new Pres sig. across them...
                        So IF we got them, would we be really, really messed up? We orginally owned in Williamsburg, and then some points at Bent creek, and now in the Fl. Trust
                        so I have no idea, really if I should buy the extra points. I only wanted them 'cause I am so tired of some of the snotty DRI people that I have delt with in the last few weeks. And we recieved the "Special Ann. from Diamond Resorts..." from Paul Shosted. But when I called last night to ask what it was all about the woman was so rude I would have given my points away to the nearest smelly naked sub human I could if they would grarente that they would make ressies. in Las Vegas and haunt the home office of DRI ... she was such a pill. And would not tell me what the offer was without a ton of info that I thought they should have since I gave her my name and member info.
                        Anyway, I guess I am asking you all for a brain transplant/info on what to do. I have spent 5 hours now today reading here and have no idea what would happen/could happen if I buy the extra points.
                        I also called to Grand Beach and talked to Bill, who wanted to know why I would buy points from anyone other then them, and told him about the deal... didn't get any info from him either. And he has always been very, very nice and helpfull. But we would be taking $$$ from his operation if we did this. So....
                        Help.... thanks!
                        BTW-I thought about posting the ? about extra points buying outside of DRI on the DRI forum, but they haven't approved 3 out of the last 5 questions/posts I have done there.... or bothered to answer back to me....

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                        • Originally posted by idofabric View Post
                          Ok, I have been reading a ton of stuff on this and a few (million) other threads on this board and am so confused...
                          We are members of "The Club"
                          We own 30000 DRI/Sunterra points which makes us Gold Elite, oh, boy, joy...
                          I found a resale of 15000 points that looks like I could get for under $1000 to $2000, with the escrow costs included....
                          However from what I am reading it sounds like DRI doesn't have to let us convert this into our current points usage? So that if we got the new pts. we woudl have 2 seperate accounts with DRI? I read on a different thread that some of the deals were being returned "denied" with the new Pres sig. across them...
                          So IF we got them, would we be really, really messed up? We orginally owned in Williamsburg, and then some points at Bent creek, and now in the Fl. Trust
                          so I have no idea, really if I should buy the extra points. I only wanted them 'cause I am so tired of some of the snotty DRI people that I have delt with in the last few weeks. And we recieved the "Special Ann. from Diamond Resorts..." from Paul Shosted. But when I called last night to ask what it was all about the woman was so rude I would have given my points away to the nearest smelly naked sub human I could if they would grarente that they would make ressies. in Las Vegas and haunt the home office of DRI ... she was such a pill. And would not tell me what the offer was without a ton of info that I thought they should have since I gave her my name and member info.
                          Anyway, I guess I am asking you all for a brain transplant/info on what to do. I have spent 5 hours now today reading here and have no idea what would happen/could happen if I buy the extra points.
                          I also called to Grand Beach and talked to Bill, who wanted to know why I would buy points from anyone other then them, and told him about the deal... didn't get any info from him either. And he has always been very, very nice and helpfull. But we would be taking $$$ from his operation if we did this. So....
                          Help.... thanks!
                          BTW-I thought about posting the ? about extra points buying outside of DRI on the DRI forum, but they haven't approved 3 out of the last 5 questions/posts I have done there.... or bothered to answer back to me....
                          Sorry to hear that you aren't seeing your posts over on their in-house BBS, I've always seen mine posted, I think, but sometimes it seems like weeks pass between me writing and them posting.

                          They mean to keep you all mixed up, that's how they get you to lay off resale and buy retail. You seem to have it right, they may let you pay to add those to THE Club or they may say no. If you buy points and they say no, you still have the points for the resorts in that Trust but get no Elite benefits, II, or anything else.
                          ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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                          • Thanks! So it is a crap shoot. I knew it was to good to sound real... I think I spooked the poor Sales Man. down in GrandBeach/Fl. I would be willing to pay a few more $$ to convert the extra new points into the Club, but he quoted a cost of $4995. to add them in! I was reading that it cost $2995 to do so on some of the threads here. Which would mean I got 15000 extra pts. for under $5000 to $6000,max, which would not be to bad. Beats the DRI offered price! But if it was gonna be anothe $2 grand that would be a lot less saving. And as you stated, who knows if they would let me convert them in?

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                            • Originally posted by idofabric
                              Thanks! So it is a crap shoot. I knew it was to good to sound real... I think I spooked the poor Sales Man. down in GrandBeach/Fl. I would be willing to pay a few more $$ to convert the extra new points into the Club, but he quoted a cost of $4995. to add them in! I was reading that it cost $2995 to do so on some of the threads here. Which would mean I got 15000 extra pts. for under $5000 to $6000,max, which would not be to bad. Beats the DRI offered price! But if it was gonna be anothe $2 grand that would be a lot less saving. And as you stated, who knows if they would let me convert them in?
                              How about this? Negotiate your purchase, but make completing the purchase contingent on being able to consummate a deal to add the resale to the Club.

                              Then call up a Sales Center and make an offer to buy in. You'll likely need to purchase something additional in the Trust since they aren't offering straight buy-in conversion any more. You want to make that increment as small as possible.
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                              • Thanks, that might work. The points are on eBay, so I am not sure I can do it that way. However, from looking around I see that points come and go, so if I miss this deal there will be others. I could try it then.

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