WM vs Sunterra

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Many have reccomended WM as a West Coast Option

Did a tour at Lake Tahoe with a free stay at Sedona Summit.

More intrigued by the Sunterra System,

What is the strategy to duplicate what can be done with approximately 12,000 WM Points

Thanks in Advance

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If you are interested in western US you should check Vacation Internationale. Many of the resorts Sunterra claims in the western US are actually VI resorts for which availability through Sunterra is very limited.

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Sunterra has a little bigger system, and is more spread out than WM, and you can do the same sorts of things in II with Sunterra points as you can with WM points.

Many have reccomended WM as a West Coast Option
Did a tour at Lake Tahoe with a free stay at Sedona Summit.
More intrigued by the Sunterra System,
What is the strategy to duplicate what can be done with approximately 12,000 WM Points
Thanks in Advance

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In simple terms how does the purchase price/annual fees amounts compare Apples to Oranges

Assuming 12000 WM Points = 15000 WM Points

10 Year Cost for WM without II or RCI

9000 + (594.51 * 10) = $ 14,945.10

The ebay auctions appear to be almost 3 x WM's for Sunterra ?

eBay: 15,000 CLUB SUNTERRA ANNUAL SUN OPTIONS TIMESHARE (item 300095533949 end time Apr-05-07 22:15:00 PDT)

$1429 vs $594.51

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In simple terms how does the purchase price/annual fees amounts compare Apples to Oranges
Assuming 12000 WM Points = 15000 WM Points
10 Year Cost for WM without II or RCI
9000 + (594.51 * 10) = $ 14,945.10
The ebay auctions appear to be almost 3 x WM's for Sunterra ?
eBay: 15,000 CLUB SUNTERRA ANNUAL SUN OPTIONS TIMESHARE (item 300095533949 end time Apr-05-07 22:15:00 PDT)
$1429 vs $594.51

I know nothing about WM or what WM12000pts gets you. You can see what 15000 SunOptions gets you in the SunOptions Directory (sticky post). Easily three weeks in a 1BR most anywhere, most anytime. The $1429 is a little higher than I think it is: .073/ptx15000pts=1095+270 base Trust assessment/reservation fee = $1365.

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I am also interested in the comparison. 12,000 WM credits will also get you 3 1 bedrooms. I am not really familiar with with sunoptions, but looked at the chart. both seem to get about the same time with the different seasons. The new resorts coming online for WM are getting really high credit values in the nicer locations. The new sandiego is 12,500 credits for a 1 bedroom, and is red all year, so you could not stay there for even a week. Yellowstone will be 11,000 credits for a 1 bedroom for high season. What are new resorts for sunterra costing in sun options. Spence, what do flexchanges on II cost in sun options?

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Apples to Apples - You need to add three II Exchange Fees + Annual Membership to get three One Bedrooms in WM

Brings the annual cost to 594.51 +(3*139) + Annual Fee 100 or around $ 1100

Limited to 59 days, however not size restricted at that point (so they say)

If you want a premium 2 Bedroom a year out the fee would be 594 in system 594 + 99 + 138 or 832 out of system.

Been studying the WM system for years, I like the Sunterra Resorts better though, there are forum posters that say for the $1100 you can pull three weeks almost anywhere . . . .


The thought of having to deal with a TimeShare Salesman/Salesmanager to get access to the entire system scares the @#$% out of me . . . . (Buying Points from Sunterra) Lucifer ?

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.....but looked at the chart..... Spence, what do flexchanges on II cost in sun options?

If you found the chart on Pg10 of the current SunOptions Directory, the points price is 50% for FlexChange time period.

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I don't know what you're doing your comparisons against with your Apples. I've not referred to II exchange prices regular or FlexChange. If I wanted 1BR in "Select' resort in Low Season at 59days I could book 15 of them with 15,000 SunOptions, if you wanted a 'Premium' resort in High Season I could book 'almost' 3 of them >59days and almost 6 <59days. You're not specifying enough of the variable to do any Apples to Apples comparisons.

Apples to Apples - You need to add three II Exchange Fees + Annual Membership to get three One Bedrooms in WM

Brings the annual cost to 594.51 +(3*139) + Annual Fee 100 or around $ 1100

Limited to 59 days, however not size restricted at that point (so they say)

If you want a premium 2 Bedroom a year out the fee would be 594 in system 594 + 99 + 138 or 832 out of system.

Been studying the WM system for years, I like the Sunterra Resorts better though, there are forum posters that say for the $1100 you can pull three weeks almost anywhere . . . .

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Spence, Wow, the II exchanges look really good with sun options, I may have to grab some!! The best 12000 wm credits can do on II is 3 exchanges during flex for any size unit.

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If I wanted 1BR in "Select' resort in Low Season at 59days I could book 15 of them with 15,000 SunOptions, if you wanted a 'Premium' resort in High Season I could book 'almost' 3 of them >59days and almost 6 <59days. .

I will just ask basic level and pricing questions based on the information you have provided and chew on my cobbler off-line

1. Three Weeks Premium in High Sounds Right, what is the correct number of points to move from Almost to Always ?

2. How much more than 59 Days ?

3. This is within the Sunterra System and/or Trust ? or ?

4. What should the Fixed Cost - Point Purchase and Annual Cost Be ?

Thank you in Advance

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1. Three Weeks Premium in High Sounds Right, what is the correct number of points to move from Almost to Always?
Did you bother to go look in the SunOptions Directory? 16,500.

2. How much more than 59 Days ?
What do you mean? Any reservation in II can be booked with the points shown on Pg10 of the SunOptions Directory 60days prior out to the maximium you can find an exchange. The II Flexchange period is 59days and less prior to check-in when any deposit in a normal weeks acct can book just about anything... for Sunterra it's half the points required for a normal exchange.

3. This is within the Sunterra System and/or Trust ? or ?
I'm still having trouble with your Apples and Oranges. In Club Sunterra, the Trust, and Club Sunterra II trading it's half points for all weekly bookings 59days and under prior to check-in. 29days and under it's half off for partial week reservations in Club Sunterra and the Trust. Have you bothered to read Sunglances?

4. What should the Fixed Cost - Point Purchase and Annual Cost Be?
Please read all the posts in this forum then ask a more specific question.

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Sorry to Offend

Sorry to offend - Yes I have read most of the posts, however they can be tedious and it is easy to miss essential points as the discussions wander off topic

Finally printed the SunOptions document and read it and came to the same conclusion that the account balance needs to be between 16,500 and 19,500 (depending on whether it's one bedroom or two) for maximum pulling power and to directly compare to the touted methodolgy of Maximizing a 12,000 Point Membership from Wyndam/Trendwest.

If it's against this board's policy to specifically discuss pricing then I appoligize in advance.

What is the expected cost range per point for a purchase of a transferable Trust memer ship that will give me 10 month access to the 19 Trust Properties?

Since it is a deed, In addition to the recording costs that I should expect with any deeded timeshare, what will Sunterra charge to Transfer the membership to my name ?

What is the normal annual maintenace fees and Sunterra Membership on a per point range ?

With that Information I can plug the data into my spreadsheet, On the surface it looks directly comparable considering direct and indirect costs, with the difference being that Sunterra has a higher fixed annual cost, but a lower barroer to entry (reduced resale purchase price)


I had no interest in talking to a Timeshare SalesScum so I have scanned through the posts regarding Points purchases from the developer to get access to the other Sunterra Resorts, I will re read those posts and carefully ask on that subject If I cannot locate the information myself.

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Finally printed the SunOptions document and read it and came to the same conclusion that the account balance needs to be between 16,500 and 19,500 (depending on whether it's one bedroom or two) for maximum pulling power and to directly compare to the touted methodolgy of Maximizing a 12,000 Mebership from Wyndam/Trendwest.
There's no 'pulling power' when you use SunOptions like there is when you have a 'normal' II account. The chart shows exactly what you need in the way of points to book in II.
What is the expected cost per point for a purchase of a transferable Trust memer ship that will give me 10 month access to the 19 Trust Properties?
A Trust membership, sometimes called Club Sunterra Vacations I ot II, gives access 13months in advance. Retail prices can be as much as $3.50/pt. Resale prices at places like Holiday Group or eBay can be found for ~$0.20-$0.50/pt.
Since it is a deed, In addition to the recording costs that I should expect with any deeded timeshare, what will Sunterra charge to Transfer the membership to my name?
It is not a Deed, it is membership in a Trust where the deeds are held. There are no charges from Sunterra to transfer.
What is the normal annual maintenace fees and Sunterra Membership on a per point range ?
Trust MF is .073/pt plus $119 base assesment plus $151 annual fee, so the more points the lower the total overall cost per point.

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Thank You