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    Record Helped Campaign Group Win On Points

    Oct 11 2007 Lesley Campbell
    The Readers' Champion

    WEEKS ago, I wrote about a group of holidaymakers who had attended a high-pressure marketing presentation and bought points from a holiday company called Sunterra.


    When they realised the points they had been sold weren't enough for the holidays they had been promised, they launched a mis-selling campaign.
    When I was researching this case, I was stopped in my tracks by some of the correspondence I read on websites for holiday club and time-share owners.


    I had assumed that other Sunterra owners would rally around their colleagues and that those with similar complaints would join the Scots group to add their voices to the campaign. But instead of sympathising, they rounded on the Scottish members - demanding they drop their complaint.


    Since many other Sunterra owners were also mis-sold, they wondered why the Scots group was making a fuss instead of simply putting up with the fact that they had been conned. It doesn't seem to occur to them that they, too, should be asking for redress.


    Here's one typical comment: "As you and most others know, I too feel that I was mis-sold. But unlike these daft people, I have at least had holidays and I'm not sorry for them.


    "If you are so intransigent that you cut off your nose to spite your face then you deserve all you get. The so-called victims are old enough to take care of themselves. I feel sorry for them. But I feel just as sorry for anyone who is gulled into doing something so silly.


    "Why should they be treated any differently. The purchased under the same misapprehension as many, many other people. I wonder why it's only the Scottish once more."


    It's the most appalling demonstration of self-interest taking precedence over fair play I have ever seen and there's a very insidious jingoistic element as well.


    Many of the comments ask if there's a link between being Scottish and being gullible, while others see a connection between being Scottish and complaining.


    If anything, it seems to me that this saga indicates a connection between being Scottish and being determined.


    The Scots group refused to drop their case. The irate members campaigned, hired lawyers, contacted their MPs and even travelled around the country warning potential customers of the pitfalls of signing a Sunterra contract.


    I couldn't understand the animosity the Scots case had engendered within the community - then I realised how the Sunterra system works.
    The points have a value which rises and falls. The Scots campaign was bringing the mis-selling campaign into the open and some members were worried about the value of their own points.


    A poster on a website write: "These people have been a factor in the devaluation of our points and it's time they realised there isn't much sympathy for their point of view."


    I'm pleased to say that a settlement has been reached between the new owners of Sunterra - who seem to be wielding a new broom - and the Scots group. Although I know nothing of the terms of the settlement, I have received warm thanks from several Sunterra owners.


    Did the website harpies join in the jubilation? Of course not. Instead of recognising that the Scots members had finally been rewarded for their efforts, they continued complaining.


    One wrote: "What will happen to all the other families who were in a similar position?"


    And another said: "Will that Scottish journalist write a piece praising Sunterra now?"


    Yes I will. I'm taking this opportunity to praise the new owners of Sunterra for having taken action. As to the members who belittled and humiliated a group of people who did nothing but stand up for their rights, they should be ashamed of themselves.


    Plenty of individuals would think twice before tackling a multi-million pound corporation head on. But this group did - and succeeded.


    As one member concluded: "On the worldwide web, the wee man in the street can now meet the bully boys for a square-go on the internet. Columns such as this one are often alerted to these newsworthy causes.
    "And in our case, the Daily Record interest proved this with devastating effect. It is difficult to explain how one article seems to have hit home after so many campaigns."


    The website www.timesharetalk.co.uk supported the Scots group. The other group's vitriol can be read on a number of sites, including Club Sunterra members information web site GVC Sunterra-members.


    I TRY to help everyone who writes in, but sometimes the volume of letters makes this impossible. Please put your full name and phone number on your letter or email. Don't send any original documents or include your account details. You can email me at readerschampion@aol.com or write to me, Lesley Campbell, at Daily Record, One Central Quay, Glasgow G3 8DA
    Found here.
    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

  • #2
    I wasn't in the salesroom when all these Scots were sold a bill of goods. How anyone can sit there and believe that you could vacation the way you wanted to on 2000 SunOptions is beyond me. That's what I understand their problem to be. They were told they could go anywhere, anytime on half price weeks/weekends booked 59days or less out.

    I know when I was sold, I easily figured out that the 59day half price window was for whatever might be left over in off season or due to occasional late cancellations in High or Peak season. It's not rocket science and it hasn't changed at all since the Club started in ~1998.

    Never the less, it appears that Diamond Resorts, and Stephen Cloobeck the new owner, is cleaning up the mess. Bravo.
    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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    • #3
      I've followed this lately only because I had become a Club Sunterra member and because Stephen Cloobeck, developer for Polo Towers had purchased Sunterra. I was interested to see how he would handle the situation and he has handled it well.

      I sat through a high pressure Sunterra presentation while at Greensprings Plantation. I heard some of the worst lies (can't even call them half truths) I've ever heard from a TS salesman. They included but are not limited to, illegal tax write offs, increase our vacation time with our present ownership from 4 weeks (what we owned at that time) to 26 weeks by booking in the flexchange period and converting those non-Sunterra owned resorts into Sunterra Points, earn $50,000+/year renting out our points (including non-Sunterra owned resorts) by allowing our salesman to do it for us (claimed he had hired a secretary to do this for HIS owners) and a few other whoppers I can't recall at this hour.

      I knew they were lies because I was a slightly seasoned TS owner and this wasn't my first rodeo. However, I still recall my first TS tour when I know absolutely NOTHING about timeshare. I can see someone getting hoodwinked by a points campaign and the way some of the sick willy's were selling it. If it had been my first time around the block and I'd been burned by buying a minimum package of points but told I could go anywhere/do anything I'd have been ticked as well. If that's the case I would have been right in there with the Scotts complaigning about the ongoing sales practice but, I would have also blamed myself for being so stupid as to not read what I was buying in the first place.
      Our timeshare and other photo's at http://dougp26364.smugmug.com/

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      • #4
        The old Sunterra had settled several years ago with a disgruntled points member who set up the old sunterror.com website. Cloobeck obviously saw the negative publicity from the www.sunterrafied.co.uk website and its offshoot, www.scambustersuk.com (the latter with an old ambulance repainted as the ''scambulance'' and driven around to Sunterra sales sites) was well worth whatever he ponied up to settle and get those sites and activities down as part of the settlement. Now it remains to be seen if he can come to terms with the remaining group of Sunterra malcontents, organized by the Timeshare Consumers Association, whose website is at Sunterra Compensation Group

        And of course, most important of all to timesharers, RCI needs to make things right and end their deplorable rental operation of spacebank deposits to the general public.

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        • #5
          I consider these people as victims of the salespeople.

          This is just an additional reason for people to despise timeshare, yet it works for most of us here on this forum and on TUG.

          My Aunt and Uncle (my aunt is only 3 years older than I) came from Wyoming to see us last Thursday and were so excited about their recent purchase of Wyndham points. Too late to rescind, of course. They knew we loved timeshare and their son owns Worldmark, so they knew it worked. They paid something like $11K for 168,000 points. I reassured them that we bought our first week from a developer 26 years ago but from now on, they need to buy on eBay. Do they have regrets? Of course they do. My aunt is head bookkeeper for a bank and my uncle owns a very lucrative company. They just didn't know about resale. One more couple duped.

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          • #6
            I think most timeshare owners have believed everything they were told when they bought from the developer. Some found out about resale after the fact and some never figure it out and become bitter.

            But it appears from what Spence posted that these people were just flat lied to when they were shown top notch accomadations, assured they'd be able to stay in top notch accomadations and then only sold 2000 points, which won't get you squat, even in the Flexchange period.

            The all stretch the truth but in some sales orginizations "stretching" the truth is a art. The two worst "truth stretchers" (read liers) we've sat in on have been Concolidated (Tahiti Village, Club Del Soliel and Tahiti in Vegas) and Sunterra when we were at Greensprings Plantation. The sad part is they never broke their lies, even when confronted with them.

            It wasn't until after out second purchase that we found TUG and started really learning about timeshare. The last 7 years have been extremely informative and we're still learning something new all the time.
            Our timeshare and other photo's at http://dougp26364.smugmug.com/

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
              And of course, most important of all to timesharers, RCI needs to make things right and end their deplorable rental operation of spacebank deposits to the general public.
              I'm sorry. I didn't realize this thread concerned RCI rentals.
              “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

              “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

              “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
                And of course, most important of all to timesharers, RCI needs to make things right and end their deplorable rental operation of spacebank deposits to the general public.
                I'm sorry. I didn't realize this thread concerned RCI rentals. Or is this a case of you doing what you lambaste others for doing??
                “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                  I'm sorry. I didn't realize this thread concerned RCI rentals. Or is this a case of you doing what you lambaste others for doing??
                  Of course you deleted the rest of my post which was about the Sunterra situation so you could take one part out of context and attack it.

                  Yes, what Cloobeck did to rectify these wrongs WOULD be a great model for RCI to follow!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
                    Of course you deleted the rest of my post which was about the Sunterra situation so you could take one part out of context and attack it.
                    Aren't you applying a bit of a double standard here? You're one of the most prolific practitioners of that "art" here.

                    ***

                    Anyway, I wasn't attacking. I was pointing out, however, that you are guilty of the same activities you rail against others about doing. As you are continuing to do with your post above.
                    “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                    “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                    “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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