Does anyone know How to add to II

[mickeyman3 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mickeyman3]

Angela, who or what is the "OP"???

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Pat, OK so how do I deposit my time then?? Or is this a way to force people to join "the Club" for additional $$$. Also how can "the Club" belong and not the people who own deeds at diamond who are keeping the company afloat (as much if not more so than just the "members")?? This almost seems like a bit of a scam and a border line case of extortion to try to force people to join even though they may not want to??

It appears from what Spence has said - and he is very knowledgeable about THE Club/DRI - that you will not be able to exchange thru II - as the resort is affiliated with RCI only.
In order for u to use II, you would have to purchase a membership/join THE Club. For right now, your option is to join RCI or see if any of the independents - TPI, SFX, DAE - would accept your week for exchange.

Spence, who is the "OP"???

Op refers to 'original poster' so that would be you.

[mickeyman3 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mickeyman3]

Pat, then who is the Ridge on Sedona Golf Resort affiliated with? RCI??

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Pat, then who is the Ridge on Sedona Golf Resort affiliated with? RCI??

That is what Spence has indicated - even though you can see your resort in the II directory - it is only weeks that are affiliated with THE Club that can exchange thru II.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

That is what Spence has indicated - even though you can see your resort in the II directory - it is only weeks that are affiliated with THE Club that can exchange thru II.

Some/ most of the Indies will take it too.

Where is it you want to go?

[mickeyman3 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mickeyman3]

WOW !!! this whole experience is a real eye opener ... also it seems like a really hard why to try to get more people to invest in Diamond Resorts. I hope that DRI takes a hard look at this and sees that this is a great way to kill sales (especially during this harder income times).

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Lawren, I hadn't made up my mind where I was going or when I might be going I was just trying to position myself for the time and point I was ready.
I already own other time shares and this purchase was to supplement those of more options for me.

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Everyone,
Is anyone aware if the legal aspects of this has been tested in court (on only allowing "THE Club" members to trade with II where as all other owners must use someone else) or basically forcing a owner to join if they what to use II as there provider??

[Spence Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Spence]

Pat, OK so how do I deposit my time then?? Or is this a way to force people to join "the Club" for additional $$$. Also how can "the Club" belong and not the people who own deeds at diamond who are keeping the company afloat (as much if not more so than just the "members")?? This almost seems like a bit of a scam and a border line case of extortion to try to force people to join "the Club" even though they may not want to?? I know the laws in AZ are liberial but has anyone ever tested a case against this?

No one is forcing you to do anything. Exchanging is not something that was guaranteed with your timeshare purchase whether you bought retail or resale. There is no extortion here and there are no laws in AZ or anywhere else that govern this. It appears to me that you did not do you due diligence and are torqued off about your own lack of understanding.

The two big exchange companies require that your resort be affiliated with them to be able to deposit. There is a lot of politics behind the scenes that most timeshare owners have no idea about involving affiliations.

Other independent exchange companies either take just about anything and everything or are extremely selective and take whatever they accept on a case by case basis.

You might deposit your time with RCI or with DAE, TPX, SFX or any rinky dink exchange company that you like. You just can't deposit with II. If SFX tells you they dont want your studio in off season, go ahead and try to sue them.

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

Some/ most of the Indies will take it too.

Where is it you want to go?

I stated that in post number 14

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Everyone,
Is anyone aware if the legal aspects of this has been tested in court (on only allowing "THE Club" members to trade with II where as all other owners must use someone else) or basically forcing a owner to join if they what to use II as there provider??

As a buyer, you should explore all aspects of what u r buying.

It is called "Due Diligence"

You check to see if the TS is deeded as stated by the seller, check to see if all fees are paid or if there is a mortgage.....and if you want to exchange the resort you have purchased, check to see what the affiliation is based on THAT ownership.

No one is forcing you to deposit your week anywhere - that is totally independent of your ownership.

[mickeyman3 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mickeyman3]

No one is forcing you to do anything. Exchanging is not something that was guaranteed with your timeshare purchase whether you bought retail or resale. There is no extortion here and there are no laws in AZ or anywhere else that govern this. It appears to me that you did not do you due diligence and are torqued off about your own lack of understanding.

The two big exchange companies require that your resort be affiliated with them to be able to deposit. There is a lot of politics behind the scenes that most timeshare owners have no idea about involving affiliations.

Other independent exchange companies either take just about anything and everything or are extremely selective and take whatever they accept on a case by case basis.

You might deposit your time with RCI or with DAE, TPX, SFX or any rinky dink exchange company that you like. You just can't deposit with II. If SFX tells you they dont want your studio in off season, go ahead and try to sue them.

Spence & Pat,
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. As far as doing “Due Diligence” be assured that this isn’t my first or my only timeshare so I am well aware of the need to do a proper Due Diligence. The problem here is (and yes Spence, I am a little “torqued off” but not from a lack of understanding) I was told by both DRI and II that there was an affiliation with II. The missing link was that I was never told that it was only available if I would “choose” to pay extra and join “THE Club”.
Possibly DRI & II should get their phone staff better informed so that they are not passing out partial information.
Pat, I also understand that “no one is forcing me to deposit my week anywhere” however we all know that a large number of us do just that to maximize the returns on our investment, just good business sense don’t you agree? My problem is that the affiliation is restricted so if I want to exchange I will need to join another service which is just an added expense.
As far as not knowing the “behind the scenes” politics I am very aware of groups like ARDA & TUG.
I never said that I was thinking about suing, I was more interested in past history of other people falling into this same dilemma. Anyway if this went to court this would more likely be a class action suit.
Finally, thank all of you for all of the input and information. I now know what I need to do and how to solve my problem going forward.

[mickeyman3 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mickeyman3]

As a buyer, you should explore all aspects of what u r buying.

It is called "Due Diligence"

You check to see if the TS is deeded as stated by the seller, check to see if all fees are paid or if there is a mortgage.....and if you want to exchange the resort you have purchased, check to see what the affiliation is based on THAT ownership.

No one is forcing you to deposit your week anywhere - that is totally independent of your ownership.

Please see post 27

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Spence & Pat,
Thank you for your comments and suggestions. As far as doing “Due Diligence” be assured that this isn’t my first or my only timeshare so I am well aware of the need to do a proper Due Diligence. The problem here is (and yes Spence, I am a little “torqued off” but not from a lack of understanding) I was told by both DRI and II that there was an affiliation with II. The missing link was that I was never told that it was only available if I would “choose” to pay extra and join “THE Club”.
Possibly DRI & II should get their phone staff better informed so that they are not passing out partial information.
Pat, I also understand that “no one is forcing me to deposit my week anywhere” however we all know that a large number of us do just that to maximize the returns on our investment, just good business sense don’t you agree? My problem is that the affiliation is restricted so if I want to exchange I will need to join another service which is just an added expense.
As far as not knowing the “behind the scenes” politics I am very aware of groups like ARDA & TUG.
I never said that I was thinking about suing, I was more interested in past history of other people falling into this same dilemma. Anyway if this went to court this would more likely be a class action suit.
Finally, thank all of you for all of the input and information. I now know what I need to do and how to solve my problem going forward.

The politics have nothing to do with ARDA or TUG, they are exchange company politics. I still say you didn't [do due] diligence and I don't think you knew enough to ask the right question of DRI or II or to be able to recognize the wrong or partial answer to the wrong question. I don't think that you have any reason to be torqued off with anyone but yourself.

This is akin to a Jockey Club timeshare that I bought for my sister in law, then she backed out and I was stuck with it. I only traded with Rent Condos Instead back then and, lo and behold, this particular unit didn't trade with RCI it traded with II. I didn't know enough about the resort to know that all units could not trade with either. Maybe I still don't have it right, I sold it.

TMC - The Manhattan Club has original units that trade with RCI and 'new' penthouse units that trade with II.

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The politics have nothing to do with ARDA or TUG, they are exchange company politics. I still say you didn't [do due] diligence and I don't think you knew enough to ask the right question of DRI or II or to be able to recognize the wrong or partial answer to the wrong question. I don't think that you have any reason to be torqued off with anyone but yourself.

This is akin to a Jockey Club timeshare that I bought for my sister in law, then she backed out and I was stuck with it. I only traded with Rent Condos Instead back then and, lo and behold, this particular unit didn't trade with RCI it traded with II. I didn't know enough about the resort to know that all units could not trade with either. Maybe I still don't have it right, I sold it.

TMC - The Manhattan Club has original units that trade with RCI and 'new' penthouse units that trade with II.

So Spence I gotten your point and I think that this subject has been beaten into the ground enough.
I will take part of the blame for possibly not being persistent when I did my calling and that never owning a Diamond property before I wasn't informed about THE Club, but also point being only receiving half of the information is as bad as false information. I would have thought that possibly one of the two (DRI or II) would have been forthcoming with the information that there was a dual affiliation based on what you wanted to pay for.
Also you have me curious what is your back ground in the TS game and what (if any) is your affiliation with DRI? Since you seem to be well versed in most aspects and seem to give a lot of input to most of the forums. Finally since you are so informed do you know the ins and outs of THE Club?? Such as pricing, membership requirements, do's and dont's etc?