What is a Good Number of CLUB Points?

[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

But isn't this one of those cases where the deed was a 52 week float so they've averaged the points over the whole year and granted that average, people in this situation have been able to book those prime weeks that their float would have obtained if they knew to negotiate this when they converted.
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You get the number of points for your week that is the non-peak rate, e.g., if you are an ocean front owner you get 15,500 points when you attach your week to the Club. That is less than the average value of points needed for those units over the entire year. You don't get the rider allowing you to boom any week of the year unless you ask.

So in the end, the number of points required to book an ocean front unit all 51 weeks of the year is larger than the number of points that would be given to 51 deeded week owners attaching their unit to the Club.

Using the conversion process they have inflated the number of points required to stay at the Po'ipu resort. The total number of points required to reserve Club inventory is larger than the number points granted to owners of the underlying Club inventory.

I expect the same situation applies at Ka'anapali, and it could equally occur at any resort at which peak season pricing was layered in some time after sales commenced.

[d0ugie_fresh Member Find all posts View Profile Close d0ugie_fresh]

But isn't this one of those cases where the deed was a 52 week float so they've averaged the points over the whole year and granted that average, people in this situation have been able to book those prime weeks that their float would have obtained if they knew to negotiate this when they converted.
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That's how I did it. In my contract, I have a letter that states I can use my 8500 points to reserve at Kaanapali regardless of what time of the year it is. This year, peak season for a 1 bedroom ocean view looks to be 11,500 points, but if I choose to go during peak season, I'll be paying 8500 points.

[tennisWalt Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tennisWalt]

In Light Of The Club Rules.............

That's how I did it. In my contract, I have a letter that states I can use my 8500 points to reserve at Kaanapali regardless of what time of the year it is. This year, peak season for a 1 bedroom ocean view looks to be 11,500 points, but if I choose to go during peak season, I'll be paying 8500 points.

If you are a member of The Club, I don't see how you have any rights and are protected in any way.

Walt


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[T. R. Oglodyte Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close T. R. Oglodyte]

That's how I did it. In my contract, I have a letter that states I can use my 8500 points to reserve at Kaanapali regardless of what time of the year it is. This year, peak season for a 1 bedroom ocean view looks to be 11,500 points, but if I choose to go during peak season, I'll be paying 8500 points.

I have that too for Po'ipu; my 10,000 points will get me any unit any time of year. But you don't get the letter unless you ask for it.

I've also found it exceedingly difficult to work with the reservation center in Las Vegas with the letter. They keep insisting that I need more points to make a reservation. I tell them about the letter, and they say they don't have the letter in the system and could I please fax a copy. I fax the copy, then call back, and they say it doesn't show in my account so it can be note din my account. I tell them to get if off the fax machine and they say the fax machine is in a different building and they don't have access.

I usually end up finding someone at Ohana VIP at the resort who does have permission to do transactions on the Club account, and them complete the reservation through Ohana. I'd actually rather work through Ohana anyway, because I can also check availability of rooms at the same time.

[brisket lover Member Find all posts View Profile Close brisket lover]

I have that too for Po'ipu; my 10,000 points will get me any unit any time of year. But you don't get the letter unless you ask for it.

I've also found it exceedingly difficult to work with the reservation center in Las Vegas with the letter. They keep insisting that I need more points to make a reservation. I tell them about the letter, and they say they don't have the letter in the system and could I please fax a copy. I fax the copy, then call back, and they say it doesn't show in my account so it can be note din my account. I tell them to get if off the fax machine and they say the fax machine is in a different building and they don't have access.

I usually end up finding someone at Ohana VIP at the resort who does have permission to do transactions on the Club account, and them complete the reservation through Ohana. I'd actually rather work through Ohana anyway, because I can also check availability of rooms at the same time.

That is how they mess with the owners and has been my fear of joining a points system. A letter is only as good as the person who you can find to accept it. How does everyone know who their VIP is that they can call?

[Carlos Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Carlos]

You get the number of points for your week that is the non-peak rate, e.g., if you are an ocean front owner you get 15,500 points when you attach your week to the Club. That is less than the average value of points needed for those units over the entire year. You don't get the rider allowing you to boom any week of the year unless you ask.

So in the end, the number of points required to book an ocean front unit all 51 weeks of the year is larger than the number of points that would be given to 51 deeded week owners attaching their unit to the Club.

Using the conversion process they have inflated the number of points required to stay at the Po'ipu resort. The total number of points required to reserve Club inventory is larger than the number points granted to owners of the underlying Club inventory.

I expect the same situation applies at Ka'anapali, and it could equally occur at any resort at which peak season pricing was layered in some time after sales commenced.

Now we're talking. These are my sentiments. I wish I had known about the letter. When I switched over to Sunterra from Epic, I was able to stay at the Scottsdale Links at anytime for the points I received with Epic. However, when Sunterra converted, I did not have enough points for peak season but only for high season. Then when DRI took over, the new upgraded rooms cost even more points. I knew I wasn't going crazy.

[julieab Member Find all posts View Profile Close julieab]

If you only need enough points for a 1 bedroom unit at The Suites at Fall Creek, why have enough points for a 1 bedroom at Polo Towers.

And if this is true, why even be in a point system at all? Seems like a waste of club dues if you don't have enough to go visit a good number of resorts during the seasons you like to travel.

When we bought 5500 points in 2002, that was good most of the time. But like Carlos says, with the new resorts brought in and new units/new seasons, 5500 doesn't go a long way at all anymore. I just mailed off our Club cancellation forms last night. We're converting to a fixed week. The Club just isn't worth the extra cost for us.

Looking at the lastest info, I think 13,000 points would've been more ideal for us as you could probably get 2 weeks in 1 bedrooms in many resorts during high season.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

And if this is true, why even be in a point system at all? Seems like a waste of club dues if you don't have enough to go visit a good number of resorts during the seasons you like to travel.

When we bought 5500 points in 2002, that was good most of the time. But like Carlos says, with the new resorts brought in and new units/new seasons, 5500 doesn't go a long way at all anymore. I just mailed off our Club cancellation forms last night. We're converting to a fixed week. The Club just isn't worth the extra cost for us.

Looking at the lastest info, I think 13,000 points would've been more ideal for us as you could probably get 2 weeks in 1 bedrooms in many resorts during high season.

I never would have converted in todays market for 5,500 points. You're right, it won't get you anywhere.

We converted because we were offered 26,500 points for our Polo Towers units. That was 13,500 more points than we needed at the time. Of course, I.I. and DRI seemed to have changed even exchange landscape now that prime season exchanges with I.I. cost 7,500 for high season and 9,000 points for peak season.

After reading the previous comments about how things have been changed and letters needed just to get what you paid for, I can see the end in sight for our Polo Towers weeks. Eventually, it's going to get to a point where the cost of ownership for these two units doesn't equal the return. Any more increases in the amount of points required for a high season exchange through Interval, which is pretty much everything other than mud weeks, and it won't be nearly as attractive as it was just a year ago.

[d0ugie_fresh Member Find all posts View Profile Close d0ugie_fresh]

The Club just isn't worth the extra cost for us.

The Club might not work for everyone, but my experiences have been good for the 5 years I've been a member. It gives me flexibility to break up my points into shorter stays, and/or trade to other resorts. I think it all goes back to your travel habits/needs to decide if The Club is worth it for you.

One way I've made it work for me is I rent my unused points (if I have any) to friends. These are people who normally would be staying in a hotel room and when they see the difference they are very pleased with the upgrade to a resort. The money I make off of "renting" offsets my cost of being in The Club. When they start charging the $35 guest fee, I'll just add that to the total and it will still be a good deal for my friends.

[vkrn Member Find all posts View Profile Close vkrn]

I have 10,500 points and I like to stay long weekends or trade into II. Works for me for most of what I want

[brisket lover Member Find all posts View Profile Close brisket lover]

What are the MF on the points? 10.4 cents per point is it?

[Jimbo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jimbo]

$ .104 is correct

Each point will cost you $ 0.104 each. Then there is club dues and something else I can't remember on top of that.

I think the total for 15K pts was ~ $1900 for me this year. That seems real steep but like previously said if I find a couple of friends to save money and stay on me, I can cover that fee and get my own vacation "free".

So far, we have booked a few weekdays at Powhatan next month and a long weekend in Orlando in May! We still have plenty of points that we can use this summer if we find a place we want to go.

[Ryne08 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ryne08]

Would 18,000 points be a good start.
.104 x 18000 = $1872.00 + Club Dues + $1,900.00 to join THE CLUB.

[dougp26364 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dougp26364]

What are the MF on the points? 10.4 cents per point is it?

This is if you put your units into one of the DRI trusts. You essentially give up your deed for an interest in a trust with other owners. DRI then holds all the cards as the trust votes for the owners.

If you keep you deed but want to join THE Club, you will be a member of THE Club. Then you keep paying your MF's just like you always have but, you also get to pay a club membership fee each year. The advantage is your unit(s) convert to a point based reservation and exchange system. Currently, with I.I. it takes 9,000 points to reserve a 2 bedroom premium resort (they're pretty much all premium resorts) during peak season, 7,500 points for high season (they're pretty much all high or peak season weeks), 6,000 points for mid season and 4,000 points for low season. Internal exchanges vary in points cost by resort and week.