Targeted Trade Test

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

With the new points system coming online and the hectic summer reservation season upon us, I was looking for feedback and opinion about probing the 'new' dynamic and comparing to past results and experience to gauge how the coming changes are affecting our ownerships and exchange potentials.

What I'd like to do is come up with a list of targeted Marriott resorts that we track in detail, with both Marriott and non-Marriott properties as the traders. Most of us have a home resort that we know the most about and can share our historical data and observations about.


I'd also like to track II Getaways to the same targeted resort list.


Here's an example. With my Marriott trader, I'm not seeing any Marriotts in Hawaii this evening. However, I do see the following Getaways:

Marriott's Ko Olina
MKO
Kapolei , HI , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Dec 04 2010 - Dec 11 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,804.00 $1,829.00 $261.29
Dec 05 2010 - Dec 12 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,804.00 $1,829.00 $261.29
Dec 10 2010 - Dec 17 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,804.00 $1,829.00 $261.29
Nightly rates are based on per week basis.
All prices are shown in US DOLLARS.

Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club
MAW
Koloa , HI , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Dec 11 2010 - Dec 18 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,222.00 $1,247.00 $178.14


We know this is normal stuff. Developer-owned intervals being marketed for rent through II. What I'm interested in is seeing how things change as the new points system begins. Will trust-owned (all un-sold developer weeks are in the trust now, right?) intervals still be marketed like the above getaways? Are there really that many Ko Olina owners of 2BR lockoffs (and Waiohai owners) turning their weeks in for MRP's (another source of Getaway intervals)? If so, since last December was the deadline, why are the weeks showing up now?

Anyway, I remember getting up early one morning awhile back and spending a couple hours with a group of TS4M'ers 'comparing notes' while doing trade tests and found the shared experience to be quite enlightening. I'll be up early tomorrow morning to try for a July week at NCV (another 'change', as, in years past, today would be 'that' day) and I'll do some more trade and getaway tests on my list, which is SoCal and Hawaii, as I've been doing for the past couple months.

If there's any interest, I'll be happy to participate.

[ArtsieAng Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close ArtsieAng]

I can tell you that there have been many fewer flexchange sightings this year, then past years.

Just one example.....Normally, I see lots of Hilton Head this time of year.....However, hardly any have shown up. Same for Hawaii, and most other locations, the exception being the Caribbean.


The sightings board will give you a very good idea of the current situation vs past years. Just go back to last summer, compare it to this summer, and you will see that the lack of Marriott's during the summer flexchange season is obvious. Sigh!

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

During my unsuccessful efforts this morning to secure NCV for next July, I noted a real oddity, in that, while refreshing the calendar, I saw a new check-in day appear, June 12. With NCV, days never re-appear, but rather vanish quickly. Hmmm...

OK, I just spotted some inventory you didn't see this morning. Definitely not Flexchange and doubtful if it's developer inventory (remember, everything is in the trust now, right?) I'll post it up...

Edit....June 12 disappeared again. It was visible for about 5 minutes.

[ArtsieAng Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close ArtsieAng]

During my unsuccessful efforts this morning to secure NCV for next July, I noted a real oddity, in that, while refreshing the calendar, I saw a new check-in day appear, June 12. With NCV, days never re-appear, but rather vanish quickly. Hmmm...

OK, I just spotted some inventory you didn't see this morning. Definitely not Flexchange and doubtful if it's developer inventory (remember, everything is in the trust now, right?) I'll post it up...

Edit....June 12 disappeared again. It was visible for about 5 minutes.

The beginning of June has been available for the past few weeks. Of course, they come and go....I did post them, but it was a while ago.

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

Someone else sighted that NCV inventory



Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
NCV
Newport Coast , CA , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Dec 03 2010 - Dec 10 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8

Jun 05 2011 - Jun 12 2011
2 6 8
2
6
8



Seen with TCK, a non-Marriott. I posted it up on our opportunities forum.

Angie, are you searching Marriotts with a Marriott or non-Marriott? I'm asking because this is a nuance I'm tracking in detail. There have been reports from some owners who are seeing such inventory with non-Marriotts but not with their Marriotts, as well as seeing with both at the same time.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

I tried to do this but never succeed. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I locked off last year but talked to someone on the phone which I much prefer.

Will you post instructions how to do this and I will try again. The dates I put in never seem to work.

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

Here's what I do.

1. Log in

2. Click on Exchange tab

3. Select 'all destinations'

4. Enter dates from tommorrow to a year from now (e.g. July 10, 2010 to July 10, 2011)

5. I don't mess with people numbers

6. Submit the form.

7. The result takes me to my 'unit' page where I select the unit I wish to use for the exchange. I have no deposited units so use the bogus Marriott reservation number and select a date within 12 months from now, so like July 8, 2011.

8. Submit the form and view the results, clicking on different areas and view the resultant resorts. If the page returns 'no results', I refresh that page because sometimes II screws up serving pages. I've done it three or four times before getting a positive result.

9. Rinse and repeat as appropriate. Some people use a target list of resort codes instead of 'all destinations'.

Others can refine the list as appropriate. I'm not up on all the latest tricks.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

Nothing at the NCVs with the Maui Sunset. I will try MOC again. I believe I did it right this time.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

I found nothing with a 2BR Marriott Maui timeshare between July 16, 2010 and July 1, 2011 for the NCVs. I found a few others during that time period so I did it right.

PS. I did a search for a lock-off unit for using the second half of our fixed week/unit for next year and nothing is available either. What has Marriott done to us? I found no get-aways either for the MOC.

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

Emmy, you have a really powerful trader there, so, if you're up for it, create a standard list of resorts to look for and take a few minutes each day to see what there is. Also, run that same list (keep it small and targeted, to make things easier) through getaways.

Here's my list:

Hawaii:
MKW, MAW, MA1, MMO, MM1, MKO, MK1

California:
NCV, MGA, MG1, MG3, MG5, MML

Caribbean:
MAO, MSU, MSK, MFC

Asia:
MPU, MP1

Europe:
MVF, MUZ, MMB

As an example, using getaways, I plugged in (just copied and pasted) my Hawaii list into II and it returned the following:



Marriott's Ko Olina
MKO
Kapolei , HI , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Dec 05 2010 - Dec 12 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,804.00 $1,829.00 $261.29
Dec 10 2010 - Dec 17 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,804.00 $1,829.00 $261.29
Jan 30 2011 - Feb 06 2011
0 2 4
0
2
4
$1,002.00 $1,027.00 $146.71
Nightly rates are based on per week basis.
All prices are shown in US DOLLARS.

Marriott's Waiohai Beach Club
MAW
Koloa , HI , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Dec 11 2010 - Dec 18 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$1,222.00 $1,247.00 $178.14


The MKO studio is new from my last search yesterday....


Plugging in my California list, here ya go:



Marriott's Timber Lodge
MML
South Lake Tahoe , CA , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Oct 02 2010 - Oct 09 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
Oct 03 2010 - Oct 10 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
Oct 08 2010 - Oct 15 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
See More Dates
Nightly rates are based on per week basis.
All prices are shown in US DOLLARS.

Marriott's Grand Residence,Tahoe
MGA
South Lake Tahoe , CA , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Oct 29 2010 - Nov 05 2010
0 2 2
0
2
2
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
Nov 12 2010 - Nov 19 2010
0 2 2
0
2
2
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
Nov 26 2010 - Dec 03 2010
0 2 2
0
2
2
$502.00 $527.00 $75.29
See More Dates
Nightly rates are based on per week basis.
All prices are shown in US DOLLARS.

Marriott's Grand Residence, Tahoe
MG3
South Lake Tahoe , CA , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Nov 05 2010 - Nov 12 2010
0 2 2
0
2
2
$222.00 $247.00 $35.29
Nightly rates are based on per week basis.
All prices are shown in US DOLLARS.

Marriott's Newport Coast Villas
NCV
Newport Coast , CA , USA
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Nov 28 2010 - Dec 05 2010
2 6 8
2
6
8
$952.00 $977.00 $139.57
May 22 2011 - May 29 2011
2 6 8
2
6
8
$721.00 $746.00 $106.57


Lots of getaways where there is no exchange availability. Normal, and good information. We can see how this evolves as points come online. That week at NCV for 106.57/nt is a great deal if you don't mind leaving the Saturday before Memorial Day.

[taffy19 Gold Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close taffy19]

Thanks Pat. Do I need to do this with a 1, 2 BR and a lock-off? It will take me time to figure this out. I like to use the phone.

Do the lists stay at II? I hardly ever go in there or in RCI.

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

Personally, I'd just pick one as a control and search with that. If you normally always lock-off, search with the 1BR; if not, search with the 2BR.

My browser stores field data and will auto-fill the field when I start typing. II doesn't 'store' your list AFAIK. I have an offline text document I update with data and the lists are at the top. Copy and paste is simple and fast.

No harm in using the phone. Hey you pay for membership. Burn up their time

[billymach4 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close billymach4]

used studio Aruba Surf Club gold OV



Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
MSU
Palm Beach, , ARUBA - DCB
Resort Details & Photos
Sep 10 2010 - Sep 17 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 11 2010 - Sep 18 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 12 2010 - Sep 19 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 12 2010 - Sep 19 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4

Sep 16 2010 - Sep 23 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 17 2010 - Sep 24 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 18 2010 - Sep 25 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 24 2010 - Oct 01 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 24 2010 - Oct 01 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4

Sep 25 2010 - Oct 02 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 26 2010 - Oct 03 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Sep 26 2010 - Oct 03 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4

Sep 30 2010 - Oct 07 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Dec 10 2010 - Dec 17 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

Dec 13 2010 - Dec 20 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4

May 02 2011 - May 09 2011
0 2 4
0
2
4

May 05 2011 - May 12 2011
0 2 4
0
2
4

Jul 03 2011 - Jul 10 2011
0 2 4
0
2
4

.

[billymach4 Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close billymach4]

Sep 20 2010 - Sep 27 2010 0 2 4 0
2
4





Sep 20 2010 - Sep 27 2010 1 4 4 1
4
4






Sep 26 2010 - Oct 03 2010 1 4 4 1
4
4






Sep 27 2010 - Oct 04 2010 1 4 4 1
4
4






Nov 26 2010 - Dec 03 2010 0 2 4 0
2
4





Dec 04 2010 - Dec 11 2010 0 2 4 0
2
4





Dec 06 2010 - Dec 13 2010

[camachinist Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close camachinist]

For comparison, current MSU getaways:



Marriott's Aruba Surf Club
MSU
Palm Beach, , ARUBA - DCB
Resort Details & Photos
Gold
Member Interval
Member Average Nightly
Rate From
Sep 10 2010 - Sep 17 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$802.00 $827.00 $118.14
Sep 11 2010 - Sep 18 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$802.00 $827.00 $118.14
Sep 12 2010 - Sep 19 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$802.00 $827.00 $118.14
Sep 12 2010 - Sep 19 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4
$902.00 $927.00 $132.43
Sep 16 2010 - Sep 23 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 17 2010 - Sep 24 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 18 2010 - Sep 25 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 24 2010 - Oct 01 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 24 2010 - Oct 01 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4
$972.00 $997.00 $142.43
Sep 25 2010 - Oct 02 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 26 2010 - Oct 03 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86
Sep 26 2010 - Oct 03 2010
1 4 4
1
4
4
$972.00 $997.00 $142.43
Sep 30 2010 - Oct 07 2010
0 2 4
0
2
4
$702.00 $727.00 $103.86