HUGE increase in points needed to stay at TSs

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https://www.marriott.com/rewards/learn/prgnews.mi

Changes Underway for Marriott Vacation Club Redemptions


Effective July 16, 2009, the number of points required for redemption stays at Marriott Vacation Club resorts is changing. Marriott Vacation Club properties will now be assigned hotel category levels, which means the points required for a free night at Marriott Vacation Clubs resorts will change.

This new pricing applies to Marriott Vacation Club redemption reservations booked on or after July 16.

Visit our FAQ page for more information.

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https://www.marriott.com/marriott.mi?page=mvci-faq

What is changing about Marriott Vacation Club awards, and when does it start?

The number of points required for redemption stays at Marriott Vacation Club resorts is about to change. Effective July 16, 2009, Marriott Vacation Club properties will be assigned hotel category levels, which means the points required for a free night at Marriott Vacation Club resorts will change. This new pricing applies to Marriott Vacation Club redemption reservations booked on or after July 16.


How many points are required for a free night?


This chart shows the points required by category level for each redemption night for a Deluxe Guest room. Additional points are required for 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom, and 3-bedrooms villas.

How many points are required for 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom & 3-bedroom villas?

A 1-bedroom is an additional 5,000 points per night, a 2-bedroom is an additional 10,000 points per night, and a 3-bedroom is an additional 15,000 points per night.


Why do the types of rooms offered for redemption at Marriott Vacation Club resorts vary by location?

Each property has a different assortment of Deluxe Guest Room, 1-bedroom, 2-bedroom, and 3-bedrooms villas. Not all properties have all room types.


Will Marriott Vacation Club participate in No Blackout Dates?

Marriott Vacation Club resorts will not offer No Blackout Dates. Because Marriott Vacation Club resorts are timeshare properties, availability depends on whether the timeshare owners plan to occupy their rooms on specific nights.


from this page https://www.marriott.com/marriott.mi?page=mvci-faq

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United States


Arizona
Canyon Villas – Phoenix, AZ
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6


California
Desert Springs Villas I – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Desert Springs Villas II – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grand Residences by Marriott, Lake Tahoe – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Grand Residences by Marriott, Tahoe – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Newport Coast Villas – Newport Coast, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Shadow Ridge I, The Villages – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Shadow Ridge II, The Enclave – Palm Desert, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Timber Lodge – South Lake Tahoe, CA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Colorado

Mountain Valley Lodge at Breckenridge – Breckenridge, CO
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Florida

Beach Place Towers – Fort Lauderdale, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Crystal Shores – Marco Island, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Cypress Harbour – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grande Vista – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Lake – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Imperial Palm Villas – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Legends Edge at Bay Point—Panama City, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Ocean Pointe – Palm Beach Shores, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Royal Palms – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Sabal Palms – Orlando, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Villas at Doral – Miami, FL
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Hawaii
Kaua'i Beach Club – Lihue-Kauai, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Ko Olina Beach Club – Kapolei-Oahu, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Maui Ocean Club – Lahaina-Maui, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Maui Ocean Club, Lahaina and Napili Villas – Lahaina, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Waiohai Beach Club – Koloa-Kauai, HI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Massachusetts
Custom House – Boston, MA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Missouri
Horizons by Marriott Vacation Club at Branson – Branson, MO
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Nevada

Grand Chateau 1 & 2 – Las Vegas, NV
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

New Jersey
Fairway Villas at Seaview – Absecon, NJ
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

South Carolina
Barony Beach Club – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Grande Ocean – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Club – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Harbour Point and Sunset Pointe at Shelter Cove – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Heritage Club – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Monarch at Sea Pines – Hilton Head Island, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

OceanWatch Villas at Grande Dunes – Myrtle Beach, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

SurfWatch – Hilton Head, SC
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Utah
MountainSide – Park City, UT
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Summit Watch– Park City, UT
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Virgin Islands (US)
Frenchman's Cove – St. Thomas, USVI
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Virginia
Manor Club at Ford's Colony – Williamsburg, VA
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Aruba

Aruba Ocean Club – Palm Beach, Aruba
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

Aruba Surf Club – Palm Beach, Aruba
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 7

France
Village d'Ile-de-France – Bailly Romainvilliers, France
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Kitts Beach Club – Frigate Bay, St. Kitts and Nevis
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Spain
Club Son Antem – Llucmajor, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Marbella Beach Resort – Marbella, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Playa Andaluza – Estepona, Spain
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 6

Thailand
Mai Khao Beach – Phuket, Thailand
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

Phuket Beach Club – Phuket, Thailand
Marriott Rewards Hotel Category: 5

So now - instead of it costing 150,000 to book a 7 night 2BR in Aruba - it will cost 35,000 + 10,000 = 45,000 X 4 nights = 180,000 5th night free - and 2 more nights at 45,000 = 90 - total 7 nights in a 2BR = 270

and if I trade in my 2BR platinum week in Aruba - I receive 90,000 points

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Pat,

I think if you book 7 nights straight, at a 2bdrm villa in Aruba, you still would need 150,000 points. At least I hope so! ......


https://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/mvciPart.mi
Aruba
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - Palm Beach, Aruba
• 1 night in a deluxe guest room — 25,000
• 2 nights in a deluxe guest room — 40,000
• 3 nights in a deluxe guest room — 50,000
• 4 nights in a deluxe guest room — 65,000
• 5 nights in a deluxe guest room — 75,000
• 6 nights in a deluxe guest room — 90,000
• 7 nights in a deluxe guest room — 100,000
• 1 night in a 1 bedroom villa — 35,000
• 2 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 60,000
• 3 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 75,000
• 4 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 90,000
• 5 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 100,000
• 6 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 115,000
• 7 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 125,000
• 1 night in a 2 bedroom villa — 45,000
• 2 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 80,000
• 3 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 100,000
• 4 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 115,000
• 5 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 125,000
• 6 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 140,000
• 7 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 150,000

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Pat,

I think if you book 7 nights straight, at a 2bdrm villa in Aruba, you still would need 150,000 points. At least I hope so! ......


https://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/mvciPart.mi
Aruba
Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - Palm Beach, Aruba
• 1 night in a deluxe guest room — 25,000
• 2 nights in a deluxe guest room — 40,000
• 3 nights in a deluxe guest room — 50,000
• 4 nights in a deluxe guest room — 65,000
• 5 nights in a deluxe guest room — 75,000
• 6 nights in a deluxe guest room — 90,000
• 7 nights in a deluxe guest room — 100,000
• 1 night in a 1 bedroom villa — 35,000
• 2 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 60,000
• 3 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 75,000
• 4 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 90,000
• 5 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 100,000
• 6 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 115,000
• 7 nights in a 1 bedroom villa — 125,000
• 1 night in a 2 bedroom villa — 45,000
• 2 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 80,000
• 3 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 100,000
• 4 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 115,000
• 5 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 125,000
• 6 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 140,000
• 7 nights in a 2 bedroom villa — 150,000

Unfortunately not - see the links above - the change is effective in July - and Aruba is now a Cat 7

[ArtsieAng Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close ArtsieAng]

Unfortunately not - see the links above - the change is effective in July - and Aruba is now a Cat 7

But, my link with the 7 night 150 000 points, also says tha the change is effective in July. Oh, this is awful!

From my link....

Changes for Marriott Vacation Club Awards


Effective July 16, 2009, the number of points required for redemption stays with Marriott Vacation Club resorts is changing. Marriott Vacation Club properties will now be assigned hotel category levels, which means the points required for a free night at Marriott Vacation Clubs resorts will change.


This new pricing applies to Marriott Vacation Club redemption reservations booked on or after July 16, 2009........

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But, my link with the 7 night 150 000 points, also says tha the change is effective in July. Oh, this is awful!

From my link....

Changes for Marriott Vacation Club Awards


Effective July 16, 2009, the number of points required for redemption stays with Marriott Vacation Club resorts is changing. Marriott Vacation Club properties will now be assigned hotel category levels, which means the points required for a free night at Marriott Vacation Clubs resorts will change.


This new pricing applies to Marriott Vacation Club redemption reservations booked on or after July 16, 2009........

and right after what you posted is this link

Visit our FAQ page for more information.

when you click on it https://www.marriott.com/marriott.mi?page=mvci-faq
it brings you to the page with the NEW values - what u posted are the old/current values...

This really stinks....

[ArtsieAng Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close ArtsieAng]

I guess I didn't want to believe it.

WOW......This is a nightmare for those of us who have been trading in their units for points. I can't believe that Marriott isn't going to be increasing the number of points being given to timeshare owners for their units. This is an outrageous difference in points needed for a 7 night stay.

How is it fair that Marriott has increased points needed for stays, across the board, but doesn't feel that they should be giving owners an increase in points, as well?

Is there any way that Marriott will be able to sell directly using the option to exchange for points? How are they going to deal with this issue in timeshares sales? And, how are they going to rationalize it with their current ownership?

NOT HAPPY!!!!!

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I'm guessing that they are not longer concerned with using the "trade for points" sales angle on timeshare sales. Maybe they are planning on introducing their internal exchange program, and will be using that as the incentive to buy direct?

Whatever.....It stinks!

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Wow! I feel your pain....this is the downside to points, the manipulative factor.

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Wow! I feel your pain....this is the downside to points, the manipulative factor.

agreed - a week is a week.....with points - what once was a week at one resort can now be 5 days at a newer, higher point resort - a la Wyndham/FSP.

And the wording in the announcement - is so condescending - why not just say "of course we aren't going to GIVE u more points...it will just cost u more to get the same thing"

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I am not sure who this poster is - but seems like a Marriott insider....

Dear MVCI TUGers


In response to MVCI owner requests, Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards working to achieve a tighter brand integration. For example, as of June 30, 2008 last year, Marriott Rewards began counting MVCI nights towards qualifying for the next level of Marriott Rewards Elite status. Whether you stayed at your home resort or on exchange through Interval International AND presented your Marriott Rewards ID at check-in/check-out, the nights were counted and reflected in your online Marriott Rewards Account Activity.


Today, a decision was made to achieve another milestone, integration of Marriott Vacation Club properties into Marriott Rewards Categories. Here is the announcement posted on Marriott Rewards Insiders, May 11, 2009 by an Insiders staff member:


Marriot Vacation Clubs Resorts to move to Hotel Categories

Greetings, Marriott Rewards Insiders!

On July 16, Marriott Vacation Club resorts will move to hotel categories. This means that the number of points required to stay at a Marriott Vacation Club will change: the points required will be increasing.

As your Marriott Rewards liaison, my number one priority is to give all Marriott Rewards members and Insiders the straight facts.

A complete list of the Marriott Vacation Club resorts and the new category levels will be published on Marriott.com later tonight. Watch the program news section of Marriott Rewards (https://www.marriott.com/rewards/learn/prgnews.mi) for more information.

This move does not change Marriott Vacation Club's participation in No Blackout Dates. If you own a Marriott Vacation Club timeshare, this change does not impact the number of points you receive in trade for your week.

Please note, the changes don't take effect until July 16th. We will honor any reservations booked before July 16th at the current point amount.

Thanks all,

Andrew


Marriott Rewards Insiders is an online travel community hosted by Marriott for Marriott Rewards members. While there is no cost to join Marriott Rewards Insiders, you will need a Marriott Rewards member ID in order to register and login before viewing or posting. Here is the URL:

Welcome to the Insiders Home Page

Be sure to check-out ongoing discussion among several MVCI owners under the discussion thread titled, MVCI Plea for Help.

Regards

TJCNewYork

The emphasis above is mine....talk about putting a positive spin on a negative announcement.

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Ray,

At the moment, TUGers and Marriott Insiders have the inside scoop. Consider yourself 'in the know' and several steps ahead of MVCI Sales. The number of points required to redeem a villa for a week is about 3x Trade for Points. Take a deep breath:

• Marriott Rewards FAQ for Marriott Vacation Club
• New Category Levels for Marriott Vacation Club Resort Properties

Remember, I'm only the messenger.

TJCNewYork

BTW, this is from this thread Marriot Vacation Clubs Resorts to move to Hotel Categories - Timeshare Users Group Online Community Forums OY

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Very interesting thread going on Marriott Insiders, which includes poster TJCNewYork......


Welcome to the Insiders Home Page


MVC Plea for Help
submitted: May 4, 2009 4:55 PM

Below is an email I sent to David Babich, Chief Customer Officer of MVC. I apologize for the length, but I want to express my concens and suggest potential solutions. I am anxious to hear other MVC owners feedback to these suggestions, and will let you know when I receive a response.


Dear David,

As a long-term, multiple week MVC owner and a lifetime Marriott Rewards platinum member, I hope you will consider my concerns and suggestions for restoring the value of Marriott timeshare ownership. The recent and previous Marriott Reward point devaluations have greatly disappointed MVC owners who purchased their timeshares with the good faith that Marriott would continue to provide fair value for their investment.

I purchased my first timeshare at Royal Palms in January, 1990, and currently own five weeks across the country. At that time, the 110,000 point exchange opportunity meant that I could stay 7 nights in any Marriott resort worldwide if I decided not to use my two bedroom unit at Marriott World Center. Now, I am lucky to get a 7 night stay in a low market Courtyard for my points. My costs to own have increased more than 5% per year, but the value of my purchase has been greatly diminished. Additionally, I have been greatly disappointed in my exchange experiences with Interval International. It seems that the only high quality properties participating in their program are other MVC resorts. It has been my experience that other quality resorts have no availability. Therefore, they add no value to the exchange process.
These are my suggestions regarding how to restore the value of MVC ownership so that owners will again feel comfortable in recommending it to friends.

1. Either increase the number of points, or provide other bonuses when members deposit their weeks for points. If contracts restrict your flexibility to increase the points allocated, then offer other bonuses (dinner for 2 awards, free weekly breakfast vouchers, free night certificates) that will provide fair value for the exchange. If you do not take action in this area, Marriott will see significant decreases in the units they will have available to rent to non-owners.

2. Offer the opportunity to exchange with other MVC owners without having to go through Interval. Provide ownership benefits (villa location, etc. ) to owners who exchange with other owners. Provide a forum for owners to communicate with other owners regarding longer-term exchange opportunities. I currently ‘exchange’ with other owners I know, but our opportunities are limited. Many owners would be happy to only exchange to other MVC properties.

3. Add a MVC forum to the Marriott Rewards Insiders chat room. This will provide an excellent opportunity for MVC owners to learn from the experiences of others. MVC issues are frequent topics today, but there is no specific forum to cover our issues. The MVC website is not conducive to exchange of ideas and suggestions.

If something isn’t done in the near future, you will see the growth of MVC come to a standstill. Current owners will not recommend ownership to others, and many will sell out. I am anxious to learn your plans to address these issues.




Re: MVC Plea for Help
submitted: May 11, 2009 5:57 AM


LesliePamel:

"I praised Marriott for the first 22 years, now I found myself strongly critisizing them - especially when I meet people who are on an inspection tour! The truth frightens them, and they no longer believe what the sales rep has told them."


Re: Pleas for Help
TJCNewYork:
submitted: May 11, 2009 5:57 AM

LesliePamel: "I praised Marriott for the first 22 years, now I found myself strongly critisizing them - especially when I meet people who are on an inspection tour! The truth frightens them, and they no longer believe what the sales rep has told them."

About 5% of the respondents to the TUGBBS poll might agree with your comment. But, by a factor of 11, 55%+ of respondents claim they are happy with Marriott ownership. As high as that percentile might seem, Marriott Vacation Club knows that 55% is NOT good enough. Striking a parallel with the Freddie Awards, MVCI really needs to be in the 90 percentile.


My hunch is that tighter brand integration between Marriott Vacation Club and Marriott Rewards can and will get them the 90 percentile rating. Using Superchief's suggestions as a starting point:

MVCI owner inclusion in programs such as Elite Rollover Nights and Double Nights,

Equitable (Fair Value) exchange when MVCI owners opt to Trade for Points

MVCI owner Bonus Awards tied to maintenance fee increases
MVCI owner Arrival Gift points
Flexible/mid-week check-in/check-out
Owner only 5 night and 7 night hotel package options

MVCI owner advocacy


What else should our list include?

[Glitter Brunello Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Glitter Brunello]

I keep using my Marriott points card b/c it's the # I have memorized. Must stop using it. This is the second time in a short while Marriott devalued points

I never thought the points trade in was worthwhile (at least not for me), even before they did this, but I know many owners found value in it. Does make you wonder what Marriott is planning to do to keep selling direct...