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  • Torres Mazatlan Alert

    Torres Mazatlan Alert
    posted by VACATION INTERNATIONALE on their site
    and forwarded by a member


    We wish to inform you that a company owned by Diamond Resorts (formerly known as Sunterra Resorts) has constructed a fence at Torres Mazatlan that closes off part of the land used by owners there. The fence was built in violation of Mexican law and VI's agreements with Sunterra and Diamond, and therefore we have placed the matter in the hands of our lawyers to solve.

    FAQs

    What has happened at Torres Mazatlan?Diamond Resorts International, the company formerly knows as Sunterra, has built a fence around the parcel of land at Torres Mazatlan north of the pools and Building D.

    When did it happen?

    The fence was constructed beginning early on the morning of July 4th, without any advance notice or warning to VI.

    Why did Diamond Resorts do this?

    Diamond Resorts has refused to provide any information regarding how they intend to use the land if it is not returned to VI.

    Why couldn’t VI stop it from happening?

    Diamond Resorts came on the land with no prior consultation, notice or warning. Their construction workers were accompanied with armed guards. They made explicit, written threats of violence against VI staff and owners if anyone interfered with them. They chose a time and day for this invasion which was a US holiday weekend and when VI would be unable to seek immediate legal redress to stop them. VI did call the Mazatlan police and Diamond Resorts’ personnel agreed to stop all work until the following Monday when Mazatlan judicial authorities could rule on who had rights to the land. Diamond Resorts broke these promises during the nighttime when the police would not protect VI’s land.

    What is the history behind the land ownership?

    When Bob Burns and Bob Ringgenberg sold Vacation Internationale, Ltd. to Sunterra in 1997, they sold development rights to that land as a separate asset from the resort that contains the condominium towers, the pools and the commercial/administrative buildings. Whether this was a legal transaction has been questioned ever since then because the resort was controlled by the VI Trust not by Vacation Internationale, Ltd. Sunterra (now Diamond Resorts) now claims development rights to this land based on the 1997 sale from Bob Ringgenberg and Bob Burns. However, when VIOA bought the VI program and assets back from Sunterra in 2004, a series of agreements were reached that assured VI the use rights for this land for the indefinite future, subject to a joint planning process that Diamond Resorts has now refused to follow. Since 2004, VI has paid all bills for the land and has receipts for all such payments, which is consistent with the use rights agreements in place.
    Accordingly, VI's lawyers tell us that the construction of the fence is both illegal under Mexican law and a violation of the 2004 agreements with VI. We have every reason to agree with the lawyer's advice and we are following the course of action they recommend to have the fence removed.

    What amenities are still available to Owners?
    Although the volleyball court, running track and putting greens are no longer available, Torres Mazatlan personnel jumped into action to ensure all vacationers would have everything necessary to enjoy their vacation. Guests are able to play beach volleyball and soccer, the tennis courts are still available and new BBQ’s have been installed at several locations. Two large tents with tables and chairs are next to the new BBQ's and additional lounge chairs have been placed around the pool and on the beach. All other facilities of the resort are still open.

    What are the next steps at the resort?

    The VI Board has authorized an intensive use study of the resort to plan additional improvements and new amenities so that VI owners will still have great vacations at Torres Mazatlan. This plan will be developed with owner input and will be ready for implementation before the Winter season of 2008-09.

    What are the next steps legally?

    An arbitration demand has been filed and served against Diamond Resorts for violations of the 2004 purchase and sales agreement between VI and Sunterra (now Diamond Resorts). In addition, VI's Mexican legal team has been directed to proceed with necessary legal filings to protect VI's rights to the land under Mexico law.

    Is the beach in front of the fenced off land open to VI use?

    Yes, that is land owned by the Federal Government and anyone can use it. We have VI guests playing soccer and volleyball there right now.

    Is the "Diamond parcel" landlocked or do they have legal access to the highway?

    It does have access to the highway, but the entrance to the buildable part of the land has to pass between the tennis courts and the bodega (warehouse) – that's a narrow space and one that might be hard to make attractive if they think they’re going to do something attractive there.
    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

  • #2
    I wonder how this effects exchangers to this property through companies such as Platinum?

    http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...-may-09-a.html

    I imagine it would depend on where the inventory came from.
    Lawren
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    There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
    - Rolf Kopfle

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
      I wonder how this effects exchangers to this property through companies such as Platinum?

      http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...-may-09-a.html

      I imagine it would depend on where the inventory came from.
      The effect, if you read the FAQs, is not an exchange problem; it is a facilities use problem for anyone there.
      ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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      • #4
        So, why don't they just take the fence down.
        Angela

        If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.

        BTW, I'm still keeping track of how many times you annoy me.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Spence View Post
          The effect, if you read the FAQs, is not an exchange problem; it is a facilities use problem for anyone there.
          Let me rephrase.

          Depending on where the exchange inventory came from:

          What amenities are still available to Owners?
          Although the volleyball court, running track and putting greens are no longer available, Torres Mazatlan personnel jumped into action to ensure all vacationers would have everything necessary to enjoy their vacation. Guests are able to play beach volleyball and soccer, the tennis courts are still available and new BBQ’s have been installed at several locations. Two large tents with tables and chairs are next to the new BBQ's and additional lounge chairs have been placed around the pool and on the beach. All other facilities of the resort are still open
          Lawren
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          There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
          - Rolf Kopfle

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          • #6
            It doesn't matter how you got there, the fence is there no matter?

            Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
            Let me rephrase.

            Depending on where the exchange inventory came from:

            What amenities are still available to Owners?
            Although the volleyball court, running track and putting greens are no longer available, Torres Mazatlan personnel jumped into action to ensure all vacationers would have everything necessary to enjoy their vacation. Guests are able to play beach volleyball and soccer, the tennis courts are still available and new BBQ’s have been installed at several locations. Two large tents with tables and chairs are next to the new BBQ's and additional lounge chairs have been placed around the pool and on the beach. All other facilities of the resort are still open
            ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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            • #7
              Strange

              What a PR nightmare, this looks third world I'm sure to the guests at the resort.
              Hope this gets resolved

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              • #8
                Sounds like VI and Diamond are in some sort of heated dispute. Perhaps Diamond wanted to do something with the land and VI said to pan sand. Inevitabley this was going to go to court on who owns what. It makes a more convincing argument that you own the land when you have a fence around it and the other party seems powerless to stop it because the agreements aren't clear.

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                • #9
                  What does this demonstrate?

                  This seems to demonstrate that DRI will do what ever it pleases until somebody stops them. I don't know if I should be happy that they protect their land and take initiative or scared about if they an owner gets on their bad side.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mgbdragon View Post
                    This seems to demonstrate that DRI will do what ever it pleases until somebody stops them. I don't know if I should be happy that they protect their land and take initiative or scared about if they an owner gets on their bad side.
                    You might say that, but a more balanced opinion would be that DRI feels that they have the rights to that land and a court will decide.
                    ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Spence
                      You might say that, but a more balanced opinion would be that DRI feels that they have the rights to that land and a court will decide.
                      If a court should decide, why should they (with force) build the fence?
                      Life is short, live it with this awareness.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mgbdragon View Post
                        This seems to demonstrate that DRI will do what ever it pleases until somebody stops them. I don't know if I should be happy that they protect their land and take initiative or scared about if they an owner gets on their bad side.
                        You could also make the argument that DRI is indirectly protecting the interest of its owners; Whatever their plans may be, if they develop it for more units,then current Club members will no doubt have access to it. If its to sell it, then the monies may be used to purchase/develop other resorts of which members of the Club will also be a beneficiary of. Problem is, we only know one side of the story. Until I hear DRI's side, I'll reserve my opinion

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by katiemack
                          If a court should decide, why should they (with force) build the fence?
                          Mexico isn't the United States. I seem to recollect reading somewhere that the Government recently seized a number of resorts in Puerto Morales because they did not have the proper permits...and did so via armed guards. Heck, its kind of common knowledge that you pay for your traffic violations "on the spot".

                          In land disputes, its not too uncommon to hear about the side with the most guns being the winner in courts. It all comes down to, does the federal government want to send forces to enforce a decision and which decision will be more beneficial for the government? Does VI have no plans with the land? Does DRI plan to do something that will bring more employment and tax revenue? If the contracts are just vague enough, I can easily see how this will turn out.

                          Only way I can see VI winning this is if they have their own plans and "donate" to the right officials.

                          Mexico has made vast improvements...but still has a long way to go in terms of developed legal system and regulated markets.

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                          • #14
                            July 2009 Update: Message to VI Members Regarding Progress at Torres Mazatlan

                            July 2009 Update: Message to VI Members Regarding Progress at Torres Mazatlan

                            Originally posted by VI
                            Just over one year ago, employees and agents of Diamond Resorts unlawfully took possession of part of Torres Mazatlan. These acts violated both Mexico law and agreements that provided for VI’s ongoing use of the property.


                            Since this occurred, VI has pursued return of the land through legal actions in both Mexico and the US. A Mazatlan court has accepted a criminal case against the responsible persons, and we expect the property to be returned to VI by this suit. In addition, VI has also brought claims in the US. Through both litigation and ongoing negotiations, we are very optimistic that VI will continue to make progress in obtaining a return of the land.


                            These actions to recover the land will remain a priority of the Board of Directors until we are successful. It is worth noting, however, that unlike our adversary, VI has no plans to act unlawfully or to take extrajudicial means to right this wrong – we will not put the safety of any VI owner, guest or employee at risk.


                            In the meantime, VI has made a major investment in Torres Mazatlan to ensure that owners and guests have every means and opportunity to enjoy precious family time and restful, memorable vacations. We seek your support in all these endeavors and wish you all a great time while you are at Torres Mazatlan.
                            ... not enough time for all the timeshares ®

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