VRI /Porter III Solutions Inc / RCI Points ????

[azgirls Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close azgirls]

We were offered RCI Points at a resort in Sedona Az that is managed by VRI (Villas of Sedona). The company offering the points for sale at the resort is Porter III Solutions(papers said they are located in Williamsburg). The sales pitch sounded good on the surface but we had doubts about some of the claims and wanted to do more research.

I have found tons of info on VRI and have stayed at many of their resorts BUT I cannot find any info on Porter III Solutions. It's like they don't exist. No webiste, no phone listing. I called another VRI resort to see if their sales dept knew anything about it and they said no.

I tried to call the Sedona resort after we left to ask some questions and left several messages (they were never in when I called) but havent' heard back.

Has anyone had any experience with Porter III? The name of the sales people coincidently, were Buddy and Faye Porter, presumably they are the "Porter" in Porter III Solutions.

Am I being to careful? Maybe I sound like a lunatic - VRI and RCI are huge names, and probably wouldn't allow any shady business. But I know there are horror stories out there, and something just doesn't seem right.

I appreciate any input.

[eal Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eal]

"VRI and RCI are huge names and probably wouldn't allow any shady business..."

Unfortunately the world of timesharing is filled with shady characters. You can find Villas of Sedona weeks on ebay being sold for very reasonable prices by reputable sellers. Keep your eye out on ebay and then come back to this site and ask more questions about purchasing on ebay.

For example, here is an auction for Sedona Springs, right next door to Villas of Sedona

Sedona Springs - Sedona, Arizona - eBay (item 150347615145 end time Jun-22-09 23:40:44 PDT)

[dustin Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dustin]

i just went to the same meeting

I just went to the same meeting today. I don't believe that it is any kind of scam. but I did not find the price to convert to be worth the cost. I am staying at the sedona springs now, the point values you would receive for the maintenence fees at sedona springs are reasonable, though I the ratio of points for the maintence fees at the villas are not as good. most people of knowledge on here would advise someone who wanted to be in the rci points program to watch the auctions on ebay for timeshares which are for sale which are already converted to rci points. make sure to research the resort and get one that has a high point value to maintanence fee ratio.

I will say they did have some good food there, and the presenter was fairly entertaining and knowledgeble

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

If what u want is RCI points - consider having a discussion with this person
WTS: RCI Points - Back in Business 1-1-2009 - 3 year lease - Timeshare Forums

Very little outlay, minimum risk and if it is not for you, in 3 years u r done.

[Laura Biggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Laura Biggs]

Porter III Solutions

Stay away from them. Believe they are con artists. Also look out for Marcia Stover at 928-301-3808. We fell for their presentation at Crown Point in New Mexico back in December 2008. We have never been able to get our timeshare converted to the point systems. We have called the following numbers at all hours of the day and night and get no reply. We have contacted a lawyer to start legal action. The numbers we have for Faye and Buddy are 757-561-6846 and 757-253-8989.
Believe that all timeshare facilities should be required to verify that the individuals doing business at their location are who they claim to be.

[azgirls Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close azgirls]

I just went to the same meeting today. I don't believe that it is any kind of scam. but I did not find the price to convert to be worth the cost. I am staying at the sedona springs now, the point values you would receive for the maintenence fees at sedona springs are reasonable, though I the ratio of points for the maintence fees at the villas are not as good. most people of knowledge on here would advise someone who wanted to be in the rci points program to watch the auctions on ebay for timeshares which are for sale which are already converted to rci points. make sure to research the resort and get one that has a high point value to maintanence fee ratio.

I will say they did have some good food there, and the presenter was fairly entertaining and knowledgeble

They weren't trying to sell me a week ( I already own an RCI week elsewhere), just points. Maybe we went to to different meetings - I found Buddy the pitch guy "snake-oil-salesman" like, and the food was fried chicken and potato salad, which didn't look that great so we skipped it.

[azgirls Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close azgirls]

It looks like others are searching for info on the Porters as well, I don't I'm allowed to post the link, but there's a blogger blog on the subject. Here goes:
Porter III Solutions Information

[Laura Biggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Laura Biggs]

Vri/porter iii solutions inc/rci points

An update for everyone.
Finally was able to reach Faye Porter. Then we were able to contact VRI and they worked with Faye to get all the required documentation needed to convert our timeshare from weeks to points. This past Monday, we checked with RCI and our weeks have converted to points.
The delay was frustrating, however we finally got everything in order, and we look forward to using our points.

Porter III Solutions does exist and they are contracted with VRI to provide timeshare conversions.

[Laura Biggs Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Laura Biggs]

As a token for the inconvenience and frustration that we went thru, Faye did offer 5 week certificates and 5 point weeks certificates.

[henry Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close henry]

Info On Porter III Solutions for one and all

I went to a Porter III free dinner and RCI update about 7 monthss ago in Sedona and heard Buddy tell everybody how RCI points worked . He claimed that with Points, RCI wants everybody to make 45 day or lees reservation and that RCI has a 96% fullfillment on those reservations. Further more Buddy claimed that last year a woman in Texas who had attended his meeting there , heard that points could be used for crusies, she immedatly signed up. Her reason was that she was going on a 7 day cruise with her husband and it was going to cost her $4700.00. Buddy claimed she called him back a few months later thanking him because she booked the cruise for only 28,000 points including round trip air fare. That put that $4700.00 right back in her pocket. The price to convert to points was only 2,995. plus a 385 closing fee. All of these and other claims by Buddy caused some serious doubt in my mind,so the next day I called RCI for more infomation. This is what I learned....... RCI informed me that 45 or less reservations fullfillment was about 10% and only if you traveled off season. Reservations past 46 days has a lower fullfillment then RCI's exchange system. A timeshare in FL for example would cost a member more points then they were likely to recieve for the exsisting timeshare that they had paid Buddy Porter over $3,000 for. Airfare was discounted $100 for every 12,500 points that one would give up to RCI, meaning that a $1000 ticket would cost 125,000 points. Asking about cruises, I was informed that 50,000 points would get me $1200 off a cruise. After comparing prices on the internet I found I could get a lower price without giving up my points. Checking with the Realators board in AZ I found that niether Buddy or his wife Fay were licented agents in AZ at all......... My question is how do they get away with this crap? If one wants to get into points with RCI buy a points timeshare off the internet and save thousands, without fatting the wallet of such a bullshiter......

[gitashroff27 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close gitashroff27]

Porter II solution Buddy anf Faye stay away

Hi Everyone out there,Please help me.

I was at a time share in Ruidoso, NM in 7/09. I fell for the slaes pitch for conversion of my time share to RCI points given by PorterIII solution's rep. / selling for RCI Dennis Beaver. I paid 3500.00 . I was getting the deed in 3 months.I did not.I caleed Dennis, he referred me to jamie who is handling my contract phone 757 903 5209. Who asked me to wait for three more months since the time share unit sold to me was unavailable. She gave me an option to get the money back which I asked for. She told me that the check would come to me in the next two weeks. Nothing rrived. So, I started calling back.Spoke with faye who was just driving back from Sedona so could not tell me anything but would call back. She never did. Since then thye do n ot answer calls and return my calls.

I just gt thier number posted by Laura on this site. I called. One turned out to be their home number picked up by their daughter!!! They are not home.

Please advise.I do not want to wait to get my money back!

GS

[azgirls Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close azgirls]

Getting Your Money Back

GS, Sorry to hear about your situation. Here's what to do:

They will play the "checks on the way" game until you give in OR:

1. Call the title company or escrow company your check was made out to. If the deed has not been transferred, you have the right to demand your escrow back. PLEASE DO NOT TELL ME YOU MADE THE CHECK OUT TO PORTER!!! Arizona law requires checks be deposited into an escrow or trust account in a bank located in the state of Arizona. So unless your check has "trust account", "escrow account", or the name of a title company on the "pay to" line, they have violated the law.

2. Call the Arizona Real Estate Commission. According to their data, no one named Dennis Beaver has a real estate license. Therefore, any sale involving a deed (regardless of what portion of the sale is allotted to the deed, and what portion is allotted to points) was illegal.

3. Call the resort, and speaking with the resort manager Tom Sullivan(he works for VRI), and the broker Richard Harvey(he works for Porter). Richard Harvey should be especially concerned, he is the real estate broker and could lose his real estate license. Make it clear that you believe the law was violated and that you will be contacting the authorities. If you have a lot of time on your hands, you could also call RCI. If they get enough complaints, they will cancel their contract and Porter will be out of business.

3. Call VRI Resorts!!!!, they are the management company for all of the resorts Porter III Solutions sells for, they are Porters employer. The corporate office number is 949-587-2299. Demand to speak to Tom O Brien, (Sr. VP & Manager of Southeast Operations), Loren Gallaher (Legal Council), or Roy Fraser (CEO). This may be the most important call you make in regards to getting your money pronto.

If you follow the steps above, I believe you will get your money back. I ask that you perform all of those steps, even if you get your money back without doing all of them. If they simply give you your money back, without any repercussions, they will do it over and over again.

So you know who you are dealing with, Faye and Buddy Porter travel back and forth between resorts in Arizona and New Mexico, and their home in Virginia. Jamie is not just an employee on the other end of the phone, she is their daughter. They do not have a business phone, they use their personal numbers.

Anyone can check on an Arizona real estate license at: http://159.87.254.2/publicdatabase/

[azgirls Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close azgirls]

Sorry, when replying I didn't realize you were asking about New Mexico. I am in Arizona, so I am not familiar with the resort there, but my advice is exactly the same. Contact the title company, RCI, VRI, the NM real estate commission, and the resort manager. I check the NM database and could not find a "Dennis Beaver".

NM law states: Any individual, including a tour guide, who shows time share units or facilities to prospective purchasers, shall hold a New Mexico real estate associate broker's or qualifying broker's license. No person except the developer may participate in any part of a time share sales presentation unless that person holds a New Mexico real estate associate broker or qualifying broker license. THIS IS VERY INTERESTING SINCE VRI LISTS FAY PORTER AS A SALESPERSON ON THIER WEBSITE - A BLATANT VIOLATION OF NM LAW.

Here is the form to file a complaint with the NM Real Estate Commission:

http://www.rld.state.nm.us/RealEstat...int%20Form.pdf

[gitashroff27 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close gitashroff27]

Porter III solutions

Thanks once again AZ girls.
I live in AZ too. North of Sedona.
Dennis porter's number is 417 593 0148. Since he gave me the numbers of the Porters , his phone does not take any mesages. He seems to have vanished too.

I will follow the steps, I work long hours but I have felt so violated and I have felt very stupid so I have to pursue it.

First I will get the info. on who actually cashed the check. Well, when I called VRI ( the published 800 number) , I was told that the Porters do not do anything for tem and tere is no such company working for them.

Thanks for the names and numbers.

[gitashroff27 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close gitashroff27]

Porter Solution

RCI told me they did not have anyone doing their marketing. The papers have RCI logo on them.Do you have Tom Sullivan and Richard harvey's numbers?
Thanks