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  • The Elephant in the Living Room

    One of the biggest challenges facing Worldmark and Trendwest that I see is how to continue to sell increasingly larger number of credits to continue the rate of growth. This really seems to be at the root of all issues that are ever discussed. For example, TW is afraid to give up control of the WM board, because of their need to have Worldmark support to charge their owners more than the going rate for credits (upgrade sales is a HUGE part of TW profit). They're afraid to give up the owner's list for the same reason. They can't even afford to publicize GOOs, as a current thread on the wm4m is calling for. They even have refused the Worldmark board a communications channel to the owners, all because of their fear of future sales problems.

    Yet, the thing is, none of this will work in the long run for the following reasons:

    1) As more information is desiminated over the internet, it's going to be harder and harder to find enough uneducated consumers, and keep them uneducated throughout the rescinsion period. They're selling credits for $1.75 when you can buy unlimited quantities on ebay for 80cents.

    2) If they signed up 23,000 new owners last year, Cendant isn't going to stand for 23,000 new owners per year in 5 years, they're going to expect growth every year.

    3) As the owner base increases, they'll have to build increasingly MORE resorts, generating more credits.

    Eventually, it's going to crash, if they don't change their model.

    So, what's the solution? I have a couple of ideas. Please shoot holes in them, and tell me why they won't work. Understand, this is not an agenda for me, it's Trendwest's problem, not Worldmark's. However, as I noted in the first paragraph, it greatly impacts worldmark and it would be nice if it were solved.

    IDEA # 1 - Pre-construction sales of credits

    When Trendwest decides to bulid a new resort, they can determine how many credits will be generated by the resort, and pre-sell them to pay for construction. But here's the deal:

    1 - Cendant can ONLY sell to existing Worldmark owners
    2 - That Worldmark owner cannot resell it to anyone other than Cendant during the first 3 years, or maybe 4 or 5.
    3 - Since Cendant no longer sells credits to new owners (non-worldmark owners), the demand/supply factor of Worldmark credits is affected. Resell prices would probably go up, especially over time
    4 - Since buyers would know that they can buy from Cendant at less than the going rate, and sell for more after the 3 - 5 year period ends, there should be a line of people wanting to add credits from Cendant. That would eliminate almost entirely the obscenely high cost of sales/marketing, and Cendant could theoritically make a nice profit and still sell for less than the resale price.
    5 - If necessary, in order to increase demand for the credits, the buyers could be given priority on reserving the resort they pay for. It would be non-transferrable, when they sell the next owner would have no reservation priority on that resort. This would also help determine the location to build. If TW can't find enough people willing to buy in oklahoma, because they don't want priority at that resort, then they would scrap the project.
    6 - This all is contingent on not selling so many credits, then the owners at large could still get into the resort, even though they don't have priority. Of course, they could also get more units through the priority owners who use those credits at a different resort in a given year.

    IDEA # 2 - Blending of RC & WM

    Remember when the board told us the only way they could afford to build at certain locations was if they included Residence Club units? How about a process whereby they sell all RED weeks as fixed or rotating weeks. Then, if an owner wanted to travel elsewhere, they get the number of credits it takes to reserve that week/unit and book elsewhere, opening up their red week to other WM owners. So, Worldmark gets all the non-red weeks with NO CREDIT DILUTION. Worldmark owners also have the ability to get the red weeks on years when the owner doesn't use it. I see no downside to this at all for Worldmark. For Trendwest, it's as easy to sell, because it has all the advantages of worldmark credits, plus the advantage of ownership of a brand new unit at a brand new resort.

    Don't like either of these ideas? Come up with your own, let's brainstorm.

    Don't think it's necessary to change the way credits are generated and sold? Don't see a problem with the old-school way of selling timeshares? Go back to sleep.

  • #2
    Aren't points systems the best?

    Why change it at all? Points are awesome...the future....the end all....and let the free market reign. No restrictions should be placed on anyone for any resale of any type of points. The free market will eventually catch up with any inequities shouldn't it? Points are like currency.....nothing to worry about....it will all balance out.

    I am sure I missed a few of the arguments I always hear about how great points are....please be sure to fill in any I missed.
    "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed."
    -- Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancey, 1816

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    • #3
      Not WM owner, but all the TS developers will have the same issues. You still need to increase the point value for the newer resort. Otherwise, a lot of speculator will be the owner and make the whole system unstable. Perferable, it will be enough increase in cost per credit to beat inflation and make it worth to hold the property, and increase enough in the point required for new resort, so the need to add the credit will always be there.

      As resort need to be replaced, the points can be readjust to reflect the value.

      Jya-Ning
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      • #4
        Originally posted by 4ARedOctober
        Why change it at all? Points are awesome...the future....the end all....and let the free market reign. No restrictions should be placed on anyone for any resale of any type of points. The free market will eventually catch up with any inequities shouldn't it? Points are like currency.....nothing to worry about....it will all balance out.

        I am sure I missed a few of the arguments I always hear about how great points are....please be sure to fill in any I missed.
        Even the best system in today's world still need to change so it can be kept today. Otherwise, it can not growth. Just look at the tax system in the number 1 country in the world.

        Jya-Ning
        Jya-Ning

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        • #5
          Originally posted by 4ARedOctober
          Why change it at all? Points are awesome...the future....the end all....and let the free market reign. No restrictions should be placed on anyone for any resale of any type of points. The free market will eventually catch up with any inequities shouldn't it? Points are like currency.....nothing to worry about....it will all balance out.

          I am sure I missed a few of the arguments I always hear about how great points are....please be sure to fill in any I missed.
          Not sure if you're being serious, or pulling my leg.

          The sales model will change, as it becomes impossible to find enough uneducated people willing to pay more than twice the going rate. The only question is how it will change. Right now, Cendant's solution is to sell more credits in newer resorts than they did in previous years, to off-set the increasing cost of sales. That's just making the problem worse, it's going to crash eventually.

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          • #6
            Not only one elephant!

            Originally posted by PA-
            The sales model will change, as it becomes impossible to find enough uneducated people willing to pay more than twice the going rate. The only question is how it will change.
            sure ...
            Originally posted by PA-
            Right now, Cendant's solution is to sell more credits in newer resorts than they did in previous years, to off-set the increasing cost of sales. That's just making the problem worse, it's going to crash eventually.
            You mention one problem, but there is the additional elephant in that TW is building new resorts cheaply in less than stellar locations, which makes them a lot of short term profit, but over time it dilutes the value of a Worldmark membership, which drives resale values even lower and lower.

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            • #7
              I was never good at brainstorming...

              I don't see the growth problem. They will be a demand for more and bigger timeshares for all those elephants...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by love2fly
                sure ...

                You mention one problem, but there is the additional elephant in that TW is building new resorts cheaply in less than stellar locations, which makes them a lot of short term profit, but over time it dilutes the value of a Worldmark membership, which drives resale values even lower and lower.
                I see that as a completely related problem. If Cendant could cure the problem I mention, there would be no need for them to create cheap credits. In fact, they would be motivated to create only resorts in demand, since they would effectively, under either of my plans, be selling credits generated at a specific resort.

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                • #9
                  Although I'm not currently a WorldMark owner, I have considered purchasing credits several times...and there is a good chance that I eventually will. So I have been following the WorldMark discussions pretty closely.

                  I strongly dislike Idea # 1. On the other hand, I quite like Idea # 2. I would be much more likely to buy WorldMark if I could buy credits that were deeded to a specific resort and which would give me priority to reserve that location. That way, I wouldn't have to worry about new locations that are lousy or that have inflated credit values. If I could be guaranteed priority at a resort I really like...plus have the opportunity to convert my week to credits and book at any WorldMark resort with no exchange fee...then that would truly be the best of both worlds.

                  A couple of the main things I don't like about WorldMark are: 1) the fact that you don't get a deed and you don't really own any real estate. 2) Also, a lot of the newer resorts are not ones I find desirable (San Diego, Indio, Grand Lake, etc). If I had a deed in a specific location that I liked, that would resolve these two major concerns.

                  Steve

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                  • #10
                    Wow, this is just my kind of topic. And, unfortunately, I don't have time today to post deep thoughts about it.

                    Here are some things that immediately come to mind. The critical issue is the 50% cost of sales and marketing. The only way to eliminate this problem is to reduce the cost of sales to about 10%. If that happens, then the only problem that needs to be solved is point inflation caused by hollow and inflated credits.

                    I feel pretty comfortable with your thoughts about how to get credits more reflective of the underlying credit values. I think that theory is sound.

                    I don't have an answer to the cost of sales and marketing other than internet based education and more rental traffic. I have found that people need to connect with something real before they will buy. But, when they have that experience, they are predisposed to buying. But, they won't do it without the assistance of a pushy sales person. Rentals definitely creates the required exposure. But, the incentive to buy has to be so obvious that people will seek it. We're not there yet. The product still needs to be sold.

                    These are questions that need more thought.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BocaBum99
                      ...

                      I don't have an answer to the cost of sales and marketing other than internet based education and more rental traffic. I have found that people need to connect with something real before they will buy. But, when they have that experience, they are predisposed to buying. But, they won't do it without the assistance of a pushy sales person. Rentals definitely creates the required exposure. But, the incentive to buy has to be so obvious that people will seek it. We're not there yet. The product still needs to be sold.

                      These are questions that need more thought.
                      The cost of sales to existing owners is already MUCH lower than the cost of sales to prospective owners. By lowering the cost of credits below the cost on the resale market, the cost of sales could easily approach 10%.

                      The key then is, can they lower the cost that low and still make a profit. I believe they could, especially if they pre-sell the resort, so they have no costs involved in financing or opportunity costs. Let me run some rough numbers by you to show you what I mean.

                      Worldmark is spending approximately $20M for 118 units in Yellowstone. That works out to about $169,000 per unit. Let's say they call 35 weeks red (based on Yellowstone Village in RCI's directory), and ONLY sell those weeks. Each week would be worth about 9000 credits, if it's an equal split of studio, 1, 2 and 3 bedroom units. So that's 315,000 credits per condo, or 53 cents per credit. Add 10% cost of sales + 10% profit, plus about 10% overhead for managing the project construction, etc. That comes out to about 72 cents per credit, approximately.

                      Now, there's nothing to prevent Worldmark from calling mid-June through Mid August BRIGHT RED season, and charge 25% more credits. And they could call the other red weeks RED season, and charge 25% less. So in a given year, if you decided to go during the red season, but not in the middle of summer, you might get 2 weeks.

                      The typical resort currently costs over 400,000 credits for a similar unit (1 1/2 bedroom unit if even split of studio, 1, 2 and 3 bedroom). So as more resorts are built with this method, it would actually have the effect of credit DEFLATION, where there is more availability created than sold. It should RAISE the value of our existing credits over time. So in 5 years, it's possible that resale credits might be worth 90cents or $1, while existing owners have the benefits of being able to buy at a lower price, plus get priority. NOTE, the priority is NOT transferrable to the next owner, whether willed or sold. But who cares, if you can sell for more than you paid.

                      Cendant's biggest profit center is not the sales of points, it's the financing, that wouldn't change (except that the amount financed would be lower). But the percentage is the same. And I'm not sure that the existing model makes them more than 10% NET profit on sales anyway, given the high cost of sales. Think of how much smaller the sales force could be, and how much less space they would need in the resorts, etc.

                      Have I foreseen every eventuallity? No. Does it need to be fleshed out with real numbers? Of course. But we have to start with the premise that the existing way of selling credits is destined to fail. Then it's just a matter of selecting a new system that will work over time.

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                      • #12
                        Here's a different idea. Trendwest creates a authorized reseller program. Authorized resellers can buy credits from Trendwest at 50% of today's average sales price per credit. I'll bet it's around $1.50/credit.

                        If that's the number, then they offer them for $.75/credit on consignment for authorized resellers. The reseller adds their margin on top of it. And, these credits have some feature that doesn't transfer unless it's sold by an authorized reseller.

                        I know that resellers can sell WorldMark credits with a 10-20% margin profitably. A premium product would probably sell for slightly more than today's resale price.
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                        • #13
                          I think that the priority needs to transfer to the new owner on a resale.

                          Steve

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve
                            I think that the priority needs to transfer to the new owner on a resale.

                            Steve
                            Why? Assuming standard credits with NO priority sell for MORE than what Cendant could sell these credits for, why would anyone care if the priority went away? Particularly in the case of Idea # 1.

                            With idea # 2, it would need to transfer, if it's a deeded ownership.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BocaBum99
                              Here's a different idea. Trendwest creates a authorized reseller program. Authorized resellers can buy credits from Trendwest at 50% of today's average sales price per credit. I'll bet it's around $1.50/credit.

                              If that's the number, then they offer them for $.75/credit on consignment for authorized resellers. The reseller adds their margin on top of it. And, these credits have some feature that doesn't transfer unless it's sold by an authorized reseller.

                              I know that resellers can sell WorldMark credits with a 10-20% margin profitably. A premium product would probably sell for slightly more than today's resale price.
                              I'm not getting how that solves the problems of credit dilution, or of paying 4 times real estate value, or of owners competing with new sales. Plus, under this plan, the poor guy who paid $150 gets LESS than what he's able to get now, on ebay.

                              Look at DVC. They don't need to lie, or bribe people to attend a sales presentation. And they don't worry about resales, because the pricing is so close. That's where Worldmark needs to get to solve these probs.

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