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07/01/08 - 07/07/08

eBay Completed Wyndham FSP Point

Name-Point-Bid-Closing Cost-MF (if any) to reim-closing date (MM/dd/yy hh:mm:ss)-Other
Royal Vista (FL)-49k-18.46-495-0-07/01/08 10:20:02 PDT-MF Paid to Dec
Branson Meadows (MO)-126k-132.5-495-312-07/01/08 11:00:00 PDT-6Month MF, Usage starts Oct 1
Branson (MO)-308k-1100-670-186.3-07/01/08 12:32:40 PDT-Oct use Year
Royal Vista (FL)-77k-0.99-495-0-07/01/08 13:03:57 PDT-Unknow if MF need or Not, 2008 points avail
Branson Meadows (MO)-84k-0.99-495-516-07/01/08 13:10:22 PDT-
Sapphire Valley (NC)-77k-1-499-431.01-07/01/08 15:01:06 PDT-MF Paid to Sept
Palm Aire (FL)-128k (EOY)-51-499-274-07/01/08 17:00:00 PDT-Odd Year, MF for 2008 to Sept
Star Island (FL)-106k (EOY)-255-499-0-07/01/08 17:15:00 PDT-Even Year, start 2010
Westwind (SC)-77k-99-350-321-07/01/08 18:15:00 PDT-MF Paid Aug
Smoky Mountains (TN)-174k-1590-499-720-07/01/08 18:30:00 PDT-MF Paid Dec
Long Wharf (RI)-161k-1827-499-0-07/01/08 18:40:00 PDT-Start usage 2008, MF paid till Dec
Kingsgate (VA)-77k-15.5-499-0-07/01/08 19:00:00 PDT-Start usage 2009
Kingsgate (VA)-203k-1232-495-0-07/02/08 09:31:06 PDT-Start usage 2009
Branson Meadows (MO)-84k-142.5-499-0-07/02/08 17:28:00 PDT-July Use year, Start usage 2009, MF start paying March 2009
Cypress Palms (FL)-605k-5200-499-2198-07/02/08 18:00:00 PDT-Oct use year, MF collecting Jan 2008 to Oct 2008
Kingsgate (VA)-154k-51-499-891.62-07/02/08 18:05:00 PDT-April Use Year, Start April 2008, MF is charge from Jan to Oct 2008
Smoky Mountains (TN)-77k-102-499-321-07/02/08 18:22:00 PDT-April Use year, Start April 2008, MF is charge from Jan to Oct 2008
Nashville (TN)-84k-635-499-0-07/02/08 18:25:00 PDT-Start usage 2009
Governor Green  (VA)-154K-112.5-675-0-07/03/08 12:50:28 PDT-Oct Use Year
Ocean Ridge (SC)-87k-197-499-376-07/03/08 17:30:00 PDT-MF Paid to Sept
Nashville (TN)-154K (EOY)-425-499-332-07/03/08 18:02:00 PDT-Odd Year, MF for 2008 to Oct
Beach Street Cottages (FL)-308k-1425.01-499-1146-07/03/08 18:30:00 PDT-MF Paid Sept
Harbour Lights (CA)-518k-6001.99-499-0-07/03/08 18:35:00 PDT-April Use Year, Start usage April 2009, MF start Jan 2009
Smoky Mountains (TN)-166k-1670-499-550-07/03/08 19:00:00 PDT-July Use Year, Start usage 2008, MF Paid Jan to Oct 2008
Nashville (TN)-105K-610-499-577-07/04/08 17:00:00 PDT-Oct Use Year, Start Oct 2008, MF paid from Jan to Oct 2008
Pagosa (CO)-105k-330-499-0-07/04/08 17:20:00 PDT-April Use Year, Start usage April 2009, MF start Jan 2009
Harbour (NC)-105k-97-499-500-07/04/08 17:45:00 PDT-10 Month MF
Kingsgate (VA)-189k-102.5-499-1246.1-07/04/08 18:00:00 PDT-July usage, start 2008, MF till Oct, incl;uding SA
Grand Desert  (NV)-203k-3050-499-0-07/04/08 18:40:00 PDT-
SeaWatch Plantation (SC)-308k-2275-499-1206-07/04/08 21:05:28 PDT-April Use Year, 9 month MF
Palm Aire (FL)-175k-809.99-495-0-07/05/08 00:00:00 PDT-
Glade (TN)-77k-1-499-0-07/05/08 11:00:00 PDT-converted week 47 2BD
Palm Aire (FL)-210k-1330-495-0-07/05/08 11:19:14 PDT-
Smoky Mountains (TN)-154k-2050.25-0-0-07/05/08 13:17:52 PDT-Seller paid all cost, free 2008 points
Branson Meadows (MO)-105k-157.59-495-0-07/05/08 14:56:47 PDT-
SeaWatch Plantation (SC)-500k-4601-499-0-07/05/08 16:55:00 PDT-
Westwinds (SC)-25k-50-499-133-07/05/08 16:57:15 PDT-MF for 10 month
Bay (AK)-154k-1124-499-431-07/05/08 17:20:00 PDT-MF for 9 month
Westwinds (SC)-105k-610-499-0-07/05/08 17:55:00 PDT-
Bay (AK)-126k-565-499-0-07/05/08 18:44:00 PDT-converted week 22 2Bd
Ocean Ridge (SC)-126K-103.5-499-0-07/05/08 18:55:00 PDT-
Ocean Walk (FL)-126K (EOY)-8.49-574-0-07/06/08 09:45:48 PDT-Even Year
Cypress Palms (FL)-61k-1-499-255-07/06/08 11:00:00 PDT-9Month MF
Branson Meadows (MO)-105k-305-348-0-07/06/08 15:30:00 PDT-
Royal Vista (FL)-49k-98-499-225-07/06/08 17:05:00 PDT-9Month MF
Bentley Brook (MA)-84k-860.01-499-683.3-07/06/08 18:13:00 PDT-Oct Use Year, Start at Oct 2008, 10Month MF
Branson (MO)-126K (EOY)-61-499-0-07/06/08 18:21:00 PDT-Odd Year
Glade (TN)-189k-1026.01-499-588-07/06/08 18:25:00 PDT-Converted Week 33 2 BD, 9 Month MF to 2008
Smoky Mountains (TN)-77k-171.5-499-0-07/06/08 18:25:00 PDT-
Kingsgate (VA)-105k-302.02-499-0-07/06/08 18:53:00 PDT-
Skyline Tower (NJ)-182k-1354-499-0-07/06/08 19:00:00 PDT-
Nashville (TN)-63K-167.5-499-0-07/06/08 19:00:00 PDT-
Flagstaff (AZ)-343K-3550-599-0-07/06/08 20:30:00 PDT-2 Contracts 154k + 189k, Jan Use, Start 2008
Nashville (TN)-154k-660-425-700-07/06/08 22:38:50 PDT-July Use Year, MF paid July 2009
Glade (TN)-385k-3000-499-0-07/07/08 12:28:37 PDT-Oct use Year, start Oct 2009, MF start Jan 2009
Smoky Mountains (TN)-300k-1230-525-0-07/07/08 12:49:35 PDT-
Patriots Place (VA)-308k-1825-599-1517-07/07/08 17:00:00 PDT-2 154k deeds (assume Jan Start), 10 month MF
Westwinds (SC)-77k-152.5-499-574-07/07/08 17:00:00 PDT- 9 Month MF, Oct Use Year, Point Start Oct 2008.
Cypress Palms (FL)-154k-1525-489-464.56-07/07/08 17:15:00 PDT-8 Month MF
Smoky Mountains (TN)-63k-169.5-499-267-07/07/08 17:35:00 PDT-April Usage, Start April 2008, 9 Month MF
Ocean Walk (FL)-126k-200.36-499-560-07/07/08 18:00:00 PDT-10Month MF
Branson (MO)-84k-404.76-499-0-07/07/08 18:05:00 PDT-
Branson (MO)-189k-1207-499-0-07/07/08 18:20:00 PDT-
Elysian Beach Resort (VI)-154k-302-399-628-07/07/08 18:40:00 PDT-wk 17 Expired 2093, 10 Month MF
Nashville (TN)-238k-2000-499-1023-07/07/08 18:41:00 PDT-Oct Use Year, Start Oct 2008, 10Month MF
Governor's Green (VA)-126k-697-499-574-07/07/08 20:20:24 PDT-Oct Use Year, Start Oct 2008, 10Month MF

Avg $8.72 / 1K
Standard Dev. 3.48

With price close to year MF, how many MF is needed at closing is important.

I just assume all the prepaid MF is justify to the point. However, some of the MF does not seems justify. Like use year start Oct, the point you will get is from Oct 2008, yet, you are redeeming MF from Jan to Oct 2008.

Some of the ad read like a converted week, yet, it says nothing about it.

If this little stuff is important to you, make sure you ask seller.

Some of the bidders probably don't realize they are bidding on a EOY contract

Read the ad very careful before the bid, although eBay is no binding.

The highest one is Westwind 25k contract ($21.96/k). Closing cost eat all. The lowest one is Kingsgate 189k contract ($3.18/K), it does have very high MF repay ($1,246), that is SA +MF.

There are very few does not get bid although they look very reasonable to me. No idea why they did not get bid.

Jya-Ning

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10/1/08 - 10/7/08

eBay completed Wyndham List. Remember we are in a financial difficulty as whole country

Flagstaff (AZ)-105k-$1.00-$625.00-$613.56-10/01/08 13:54:12 PDT-Converted week 15 2B, April Use Year
Bonnet Creek (FL)-154k-$3,699.00-$499.00-$567.00-10/01/08 18:00:00 PDT-Starting bid 3699, April Use year, MF paid to Dec 08
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-357k-$2,997.00-$499.00-$0.00-10/01/08 18:30:00 PDT-
Patriot's Place (VA)-91k-$5.50-$499.00-$695.00-10/01/08 18:50:00 PDT-converted week 4 2B, 91K point in credit pool
Nashville (TN)-84k-$76.00-$610.00-$0.00-10/01/08 19:00:00 PDT- 
Palm Aire (FL)-105k-$124.50-$550.00-$120.00-10/01/08 19:00:00 PDT-3 Month MF
Santa Barbara (FL)-189k-$510.00-$550.00-$841.08-10/01/08 19:10:40 PDT-Converted Week #22, 2BD
Alexandria (VA)-340k-$2,550.00-$550.00-$1,713.60-10/01/08 19:13:45 PDT-July Use year, 2008 MF
Royal Vista (FL)-132K-$599.00-$449.00-$0.00-10/02/08 12:03:31 PDT-Buy it Now
Harbour (NC)-105k-$78.77-$499.00-$593.00-10/02/08 17:00:00 PDT-Converted Wk 10 2B. 2008 182K will be carried
Sapphire Valley (NC)-126k-$102.50-$499.00-$697.00-10/02/08 17:55:00 PDT-converted Wk 34 2B, 2008MF
Bonnet Creek (FL)-518k-$5,110.00-$499.00-$0.00-10/02/08 18:50:00 PDT-
Ocean Ridge (SC)-77k-$102.50-$499.00-$0.00-10/02/08 19:38:00 PDT-April Use Year, MF Start at 2009 Jan
Nashville (TN)-346k-$560.00-$635.00-$0.00-10/03/08 13:09:18 PDT-Oct Use Yaer, MF start Oct 2008
Palm Aire (FL)-166K (EOY)-$415.00-$499.00-$420.00-10/03/08 20:21:17 PDT-Even Year
Kingsgate (VA)-203k-$1,025.01-$499.00-$66.00-10/04/08 18:30:00 PDT-April Use Year, MF Paid for Jan 2009
Ocean Walk (FL)-1105k-$4,045.23-$499.00-$448.75-10/05/08 18:15:00 PDT-April Use Year, MF Paid for Jan 2009
La Cascada (TX)-154k-$406.01-$499.00-$323.40-10/04/08 18:50:00 PDT-Oct Use Year, MF paid to 2009 Feb
Governor Green (VA)-126K (EOY)-$202.50-$610.00-$0.00-10/04/08 19:00:00 PDT-No idea which year
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-77K-$102.50-$695.00-$289.89-10/04/08 19:00:00 PDT-July Use year, 2008 MF
Skyline Towers (NJ)-126k-$152.50-$475.00-$193.00-10/05/08 14:15:00 PDT-Oct Use Year, MF paid Dec 2008
Patriot's Place (VA)-154k-$550.00-$499.00-$193.00-10/05/08 18:10:00 PDT-MF Paid Jan 2009
Palm Aire (FL)-175k-$1,625.00-$499.00-$892.00-10/05/08 18:35:00 PDT-Converted Wk 46 2B, 2008 MF + Tax
Governor Green (VA)-105k (EOY)-$227.50-$499.00-$24.00-10/05/08 19:20:00 PDT-Odd Year, MF paid Jan 2009
Bonnet Creek (FL)-154k-$2,799.00-$499.00-$567.00-10/06/08 15:44:22 PDT-Buy it Now, April Use year, MF paid to Dec 2008
Cypress Palms (FL)-105k-$299.00-$399.00-$0.00-10/06/08 16:28:25 PDT-
Ocean Blvd etc (SC)-974k-$1,826.01-$899.00-$1,449.00-10/06/08 17:45:00 PDT-Compose of 8 contracts, 763k EY, 422k EOY, Home resort Ocean Blvd 154k + 168k (OY), Ocean Ridge 140k + 126k (EY), Sea Watch 259K, Edisto Beach 105k, Marsh Point 105k + 128k (OY), MF paid Dec 2008, 252k 08 point, 1059k 09 point
Smoky Mountain (TN)-514k-$3,550.00-$485.00-$0.00-10/06/08 17:50:00 PDT-
Ocean Ridge (SC)-210k-$202.50-$499.00-$145.00-10/06/08 18:00:00 PDT-July Use Year, MF paid to Jan 2007 for July 2009 point
Star Island (FL)-300k-$1,725.00-$485.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:15:00 PDT-
Kingsgate (VA)-77k-$197.00-$499.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:39:00 PDT-
Harbour (NC)-182k-$1,525.00-$620.00-$0.00-10/06/08 19:00:00 PDT-
Glade (TN)-168k-$1.00-$499.00-$0.00-10/06/08 19:40:00 PDT-
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-112K-$640.00-$620.00-$0.00-10/06/08 20:00:00 PDT-
Glade (TN)-77k-$1.00-$499.00-$540.00-10/06/08 20:21:41 PDT-MF paid Dec 2008
Ocean Ridge II (SC)-84k-$1.00-$535.00-$0.00-10/06/08 21:00:00 PDT-
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-154k-$492.01-$475.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:07:00 PDT-MF paid Jan 2009, Odd Year
Bonnet Creek (FL)-154k (EOY)-$770.00-$499.00-$27.75-10/06/08 18:15:00 PDT-Odd Year
Oceanside Pier  (CA)-168k (EOY)-$515.00-$485.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:37:00 PDT-Odd Year
Kingsgate (VA)-77k-$197.00-$499.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:39:00 PDT-
Royal Sea Cliff  (HI)-154k-$610.00-$425.00-$0.00-10/06/08 18:48:00 PDT-
Smoky Mountain (TN)-105k-$199.00-$350.00-$0.00-10/07/08 10:24:08 PDT-
Cottages (SC)-126k-$152.50-$695.00-$214.64-10/07/08 12:00:00 PDT-50.5k in 2008
Kingsgate (VA)-77k-$1.00-$450.00-$0.00-10/07/08 13:03:30 PDT-
Palm Aire (FL)-112k-$1.00-$450.00-$0.00-10/07/08 13:44:24 PDT-
Ocean Walk (FL)-506.5k-$898.88-$499.00-$0.00-10/07/08 17:18:51 PDT-
Smoky Mountain (TN)-245k-$2,224.00-$485.00-$0.00-10/07/08 17:30:00 PDT-
Smoky Mountain (TN)-160k-$1,585.00-$485.00-$0.00-10/07/08 17:45:00 PDT-
Mountain (NC)-154k-$401.00-$485.00-$174.00-10/07/08 17:50:00 PDT-Oct Usage, MF paid Dec 2008
Cypress Palms (FL)-126K (EOY)-$1.00-$499.00-$350.00-10/07/08 17:50:00 PDT-Even Year, 2008 points
Foxrun (NC)-105k-$1.00-$445.00-$0.00-10/07/08 19:00:00 PDT-

Supprise to see Waikiki over 1.5 M on sale at 10/8/08, it bid up to $14,100.00 but does not meet the reservation.

Also suprise to see Oceanside Pier (CA) on sale

Jya-Ning

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Short comparison Oct 2008 vs Oct 2007, Oct 2006 and Apr 2008

10/2008 covers 7 days
use (bid price + closing cost)/total points

Avg is $8.27/1K, Standard Deviation is $4.57/K, max is $27.26/k on BC buy-it-now, min is $2.76/K

Compare to other Oct
2007 is avg around $11.96 per 1K (highest $24.61, lowest $3.93, standard deviation 5.00)
2006 is avg around $17.59 per 1K (highest $28.75, lowest $8.99, standard deviation 4.80)


Compare to April 2008
4/2008 count 7 days, has 32 completed. Avg price is $11.05 per 1k. Standard deviation is 2.90


You can copy the whole list into Excel, and select menu "data" -> "text to columns", and use - as common delimiter

1st column is the resort name, 2nd is point size, 3rd is the final bid amount, 4th is closing cost (add resort transfer fee), 5th is MF, 6th is the bidding end time, 7th is a comment I just write down randomly.

at cell J1 (column J, row 1), you can use this formula
=LEFT(B1,FIND("K",UPPER(B1),1) - 1)
Than at K1 use this formula
=IF(ISNUMBER(FIND("(",B1,1)),0.5,1)
Then at L1 use this formula
=(C1+D1)/(J1*K1)

It will give you the purchase price per K point (bid price + closing cost)/total points * 1000.

You can play with them.

I use excel function
=AVERAGE(L:L)
=STDEV(L:L)
=MAX(L:L)
and
=MIN(L:L)
to get Avg, standard deviation, max, min of the cost.

The resale price does goes down from 2005 about $30 /k to now close to $10 /k Will see what happen next year.

Jya-Ning

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You will not get VIP and PP through resell.


Jya-Ning

What does "PP" stand for?

Is that benefit something significant?

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

What does "PP" stand for?

Is that benefit something significant?

Read this thread
http://www.timeshareforums.com/forum...hare-plus.html

#4 & #5

My suggestion is, buy a resale contract first, play with it to see if you like it or not, after a few years, you will know how you usually use these TS than you can make a really assessment on PP and VIP. IMHO, they can be live without. And unless you reach Plantimun because you plan to use them for renting, it will not be very cost effective unless the resale cost is about 40% discount of retail cost.

Don't forget, they can take away these benefits in one second.

But if after you play with it and decide you have to have them, you can always go to any sale ceter and tell them you are willing to buy 1M Wyndham points at their price or some middle group. I don't know any salesman will reject you.

Jya-Ning

Can not believe I did not answer a straight quetsion. PP stands for Plus Partnership, it allows you to use Wyndham points as Frequent Fly Mileage point (much worse cost wise), and access RCI point resort inventories

[ChrisCraft Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ChrisCraft]

Supprise to see Waikiki over 1.5 M on sale at 10/8/08, it bid up to $14,100.00 but does not meet the reservation.

Also suprise to see Oceanside Pier (CA) on sale

Jya-Ning

Jya,

Why would this surprise you? The reason I ask is that I've been told that the home resort is more or less inconsequential with Wyndham. That the only benefit is you are allowed to book up to 13 months in advance vs. only 10 months for the other locations in the network.

Do I understand this correctly or is there some other benefit to buying in a specific location like Oceanside?

Thanks... I really appreciate your responses

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

Why would this surprise you? The reason I ask is that I've been told that the home resort is more or less inconsequential with Wyndham. That the only benefit is you are allowed to book up to 13 months in advance vs. only 10 months for the other locations in the network.

Do I understand this correctly or is there some other benefit to buying in a specific location like Oceanside?

Thanks... I really appreciate your responses

Suprise probably is not right reflection. A good % of eBay contract is from PCC, which owner pays someone like $3000+ to get rid of the contract. And due to the value of Wyndham, it usually means there can not have any loan.

Both area are new. Ocean Pier is just open last year, and being ocean front in CA, you will think it should be sought after. Although because its size (168k), it will not allow the owner to reserve even 1 week in that resort, so really has no home resort benefit. I do know a member here bought resale in that resort before that resort open at probably less than $20/k, so it is not really a suprise. Wakikki is opened in 2007. And Hawaii usually is a place somehow get higher bid. I believe 3 years ago, Wyndham Kona get like $45/k while the other eBay get $20/k. That does not mean they are more valuable point than the other resort.

However, you usually will think that a new resort in sought after area should not come that frequently in such a short period.

Each contract means the owner are lossing from $100 to $180 per 1K depends on if they try to negotiate with sales or not. And they did not even use their purchase at all. Pity.

Jya-Ning

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Although because its size (168k), it will not allow the owner to reserve even 1 week in that resort, so really has no home resort benefit.

Do you mean an owner with less than 168k points or something else? Also, would you please explain, generally speaking, what are the benefits with your home resort?

Finally, has it been your experience that the point values are constantly changing? Meaning it used to be 154,000 bought you a week at a certain place, now that same place (at the same time of year) is 179,000 points?

Thank you so much for your help

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

Do you mean an owner with less than 168k points or something else? Also, would you please explain, generally speaking, what are the benefits with your home resort?

Home resort allows you to reserve at ARP period, and the MF is tied to that. It is important only if you plan to make reservation at highly demand time slot like July 4th on beach. However, in ARP period, you have to reserve either whole week, or 3 to 4 days start or end at a Sunday. And this particular resort min. point value for even 1 BD is over 200k. If someone is within short drive, this is acceptable. But if one need long drive or fly to there, you may need 1 whole week.

Finally, has it been your experience that the point values are constantly changing? Meaning it used to be 154,000 bought you a week at a certain place, now that same place (at the same time of year) is 179,000 points?

Not going to happen once the point values is set, although they can do it. But by doing that, they need to give current owner more points.

They can, however change one week from say prime point requirement to high week point requirement as long as total points balance out.

For newer resort it almost guarantee the point value will be much higher than your old one.

Jya-Ning

[ChrisCraft Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ChrisCraft]

Jya... I read a lot about UDI points vs. points that were converted from a fixed week.

Are you aware of any differences and/or benefits with one vs. the other?

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Tom Cornelius (a Wyndham reseller) has a good description:
FairfieldResales : Fairfield Resales--tcornel (Tom C.)

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eBay success completed list 1/1/09 - 1/7/09

eBay completed success list.
resort name - point size - final bid price - closing cost (including resort transfer fee) - MF - eBay close time - other stuff

Pagosa Springs (CO)-154k-$207.50-$495.00-$705.96-01/01/09 09:41:14 PST-
Governor's Green  (VA)-150K-$297.00-$524.00-$193.00-01/01/09 10:27:23 PST-Oct Use Year, MF paid March 09
Glade (TN)-154k-$1,495.00-$499.00-$0.00-01/01/09 11:11:31 PST-Buy it now
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-84k-$79.95-$348.00-$0.00-01/01/09 13:30:00 PST-
Nashville (TN)-105k-$91.00-$348.00-$0.00-01/01/09 13:30:00 PST-
El Cid (Mexico)-154k-$71.00-$424.00-$106.00- 01/01/09 15:30:40 PST -RTU 2021, MF paid 2/09
Glade (TN)-308k-$1,999.00-$0.00-$0.00-01/01/09 16:18:04 PST-Starting bid 1999, 154k in Glade, 154k in Cypress Palm, Close Paid By seller
Branson MT VISTA (MO)-154k-$182.50-$348.00-$0.00-01/01/09 17:30:00 PST-
Palm Aire (FL)-105k-$21.00-$499.00-$129.51-01/01/09 19:00:00 PST-MF paid Mar 09
Kingsgate (VA)-154k-$255.88-$475.00-$668.94-01/02/09 18:06:00 PST-April Use Year, MF paid 12/09
Skyline Towers (NJ)-315k-$512.00-$524.00-$456.00-01/02/09 19:10:00 PST-MF paid Mar 09
Royal Sea Cliff (HI)-154k-$330.99-$624.00-$187.00-01/02/09 19:30:00 PST-MF paid Mar 09
Grand Desert (NV)-105k-$380.00-$495.00-$456.75-01/03/09 09:21:03 PST-
Angel Fire (NM)-133k-$0.99-$495.00-$550.00-01/03/09 09:26:09 PST-
Grand Desert (NV)-175k (EOY)-$355.00-$495.00-$381.50-01/03/09 09:27:14 PST-Even Year
Sedona  (AZ)-154k (EOY)-$299.00-$524.00-$80.00-01/03/09 09:28:41 PST-MF Paid for Feb  2009
Pagosa (CO)-210k-$697.00-$524.00-$240.00-01/03/09 09:28:52 PST-July Use Year, MF paid to 2009 March
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-84k-$1.61-$495.00-$482.00-01/03/09 10:16:05 PST-
Grand Desert (NV)-154k-$1,004.00-$495.00-$467.80-01/03/09 10:32:45 PST-
Governor Green (VA)-49k-$0.99-$495.00-$198.53-01/03/09 10:58:45 PST-
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-94.5k-$180.00-$348.00-$0.00-01/03/09 13:30:00 PST-Oct Use Year
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-210k-$56.00-$495.00-$1,062.60-01/03/09 13:49:23 PST-April Use Year
Kingsgate (VA)-203k-$1,597.00-$524.00-$192.00-01/03/09 13:54:04 PST-MF paid March 2009
Nashville (TN)-84k-$202.50-$348.00-$567.00-01/03/09 16:30:00 PST-
Kona Hawaiian Resort (HI)-500k-$3,850.00-$724.00-$636.00-01/03/09 18:00:00 PST-MF paid April 2009
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-126k-$97.00-$524.00-$172.00-01/03/09 18:15:00 PST-MF paid March 2009
Pagosa (CO)-105k-$0.99-$495.00-$508.92-01/04/09 10:00:55 PST-Oct Use Year
La Belle Maison (LA)-126k-$20.50-$495.00-$589.68-01/04/09 12:03:51 PST-Oct Use Year
Cypress Palms (FL)-105k (EOY)-$0.99-$495.00-$240.00-01/04/09 12:57:04 PST-Odd Year
Smokey Mountains (TN)-105k (EOY)-$103.51-$524.00-$231.00-01/04/09 17:30:00 PST-Odd Year, 2009 MF
Westwinds  (SC)-77k-$0.99-$495.00-$480.48-01/05/09 01:00:00 PST-
Majestic Sun (FL)-154k (EOY)-$399.00-$524.00-$72.00-01/05/09 01:05:53 PST-Buy it now, Even Year, MF paid Feb 2009
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-154k-$1.00-$524.00-$520.00-01/05/09 17:11:00 PST-July Use Year, MF paid to cover 7/1/08 to 2/09, point from July 2009
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-203k-$1,321.00-$524.00-$178.00-01/05/09 17:25:00 PST-MF paid Feb 09
Star Island (FL)-203k-$1,978.00-$499.00-$0.00-01/05/09 17:36:42 PST-Buy it now
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-154k-$99.00-$524.00-$130.00-01/05/09 17:42:00 PST-
Tamarack (WI)-126K (EOY)-$0.50-$450.00-$0.00-01/05/09 17:54:50 PST-July Use Year, MF paid Feb 09 for July 2009 point, 1 Bid
Kingsgate (VA)-189k-$397.00-$524.00-$136.00-01/05/09 18:00:00 PST-July Use Year, MF paid Feb 09 for July 2009 point, 1 Bid
Cypress Palms (FL)-113k-$277.33-$499.00-$44.95-01/05/09 18:09:59 PST-MF paid Jan 09
Westwinds  (SC)-105k-$104.50-$374.00-$192.00-01/05/09 18:15:00 PST-Oct Use Year, MF paid March 09, for Oct 2008 point
Royal Sea Cliff (HI)-308k (EOY)-$397.00-$624.00-$120.00-01/05/09 18:40:00 PST -Evn Year, MF paid Feb 09
Smokey Mountains (TN)-154k (EOY)-$307.50-$524.00-$78.00-01/05/09 18:45:00 PST-Odd Year, MF paid March 09
Glade (TN)-77k-$610.95-$0.00-$0.00-01/05/09 19:00:00 PST-
Ocean Blvd (SC)-127k (EOY)-$51.00-$475.00-$158.15-01/06/09 15:58:18 PST-Odd Year, MF paid Jan 09 
Ocean Ridge (SC)-105k (EOY)-$1.00-$449.00-$0.00-01/06/09 15:58:18 PST-Odd Year
Cypress Palms (FL)-154k-$76.00-$424.00-$0.00-01/06/09 17:35:00 PST-Buyer pay 09 MF, point start at 2010
Palm Aire (FL)-166k (EOY)-$127.50-$424.00-$0.00-01/06/09 18:00:00 PST-Even Year
Beach Street Cottages  (FL)-182k-$397.00-$424.00-$151.00-01/06/09 18:10:00 PST-MF paid  Feb 2009
Palm Aire (FL)-126k-$1.25-$375.00-$204.54-01/06/09 18:15:00 PST-MF paid  March 2009
Smokey Mountains (TN)-514k-$6,366.75-$510.00-$511.41-01/06/09 18:30:00 PST-MF paid  March 2009
Seawatch Plantation (SC)-126k-$98.00-$524.00-$170.00-01/06/09 18:40:00 PST-April Use Year, MF paid March 09, for April 2009 point
Sedona  (AZ)-154k-$320.00-$524.00-$164.00-01/06/09 18:40:00 PST-Oct Use Yaer, MF Paid March 09, for Oct 2008 point
Pagosa (CO)-63k-$0.99-$495.00-$286.02-01/07/09 01:00:00 PST-
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-126k (EOY)-$204.52-$495.00-$303.00-01/07/09 10:48:16 PST-Odd Year
Palm Aire (FL)-126k-$127.00-$495.00-$650.00-01/07/09 11:22:04 PST-
Pagosa (CO)-77k-$51.00-$475.00-$103.77-01/07/09 18:09:00 PST-MF paid  March 2009
Bentley Brook (MA)-105k-$199.00-$375.00-$149.00-01/07/09 18:30:00 PST-MF paid  March 2009
Tamarack (WI)-84k-$1.00-$445.00-$0.00-01/07/09 18:45:00 PST-
Branson at the Meadows (MO)-126k-$99.00-$445.00-$314.16-01/07/09 19:00:00 PST-July Use year, MF paid July to Dec 2009
Patriot's Place-154k-$100.00-$550.00-$702.00-01/07/09 19:00:00 PST-Converted week 42, MF paid  Dec 2009
Branson The Falls (MI)-77k-$49.00-$445.00-$144.20-01/07/09 19:00:00 PST-July Use year, MF paid July to Dec 2009
Santa Barbara (FL)-140k-$100.00-$550.00-$756.00-01/07/09 19:15:00 PST -Converted week 45, MF paid  Dec 2009

This period saw more inventories. However, each has less bidders, most have only 1 bidder. Also, saw a lot of ad with no bidder. At one day, I believe I saw 15 ad with 10 no bidder. Even when it starts with $1. That day I saw about 6 lists start at $1. With price so low, the MF, closing cost will be very important aspect. Some of the ads ask for MF paid like to March this year, but the point does not start until Oct this year.

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comparison Jan

Comparison between Jan from 2007 to 2009

Year - total days recorded - total success bids - avg point size - avg price (per 1K point) - standard dev of the price

2007 - 9 days - 42 - 143.5k - $16.95 - 6.25
2008 - 10 days - 27 - 146.6k - $15.33 - 7.11
2009 - 7 days - 63 - 138k - $6.67 - 2.80

I guess the Wyndham increase its transfer fee from $100 to $125? However, the avg closing cost asked by the ad is going down from 489 (2007) to 483 (2008) to 469 (2009)

It is not a good time to sell.

Jya-Ning

Forget to mention, the way I calculated the avg price is the sum of final bid and closing cost and Wyndham transfer fee. I just simple assume the MF is avg out in the long run, so whatever paid is the fair price of the point you get for that year. Of course, there are several that is not the case.

If you don't count closing cost and transfer fee, this year is about 3.27 per K

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eBay Complete Wyndham Points Contract

From 4/1/09 to 4/7/09

Resort Name - Point Size - Final Success Bid - Closing Cost - MF Reimbuse - Completed Date - Other note

Plantation (GA) - 105k - $297.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/01/2009 02:36:00 PM PDT - Converted week 10 2Bd, buyer may need to pay all 2009 MF to Wyndham
Panama City (FL) - 210k - $760.00 - $524.00 - $354.00 - 04/01/2009 06:00:00 PM PDT - MF to June 2009
Ocean Boulevard (SC) - 1100K - $3,807.75 - $510.00 - $2,105.00 - 04/01/2009 06:20:00 PM PDT - MF to May 2009
Cypress Palm (FL) - 500k - $1,825.00 - $524.00 - $588.00 - 04/01/2009 06:27:00 PM PDT - 2009  475,450 points remained, MF up to June 2009
Governor's Green (VA) - 154k (EOY) - $119.49 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/01/2009 06:31:00 PM PDT - Even Year, MF upto June 2009
Smoky Mountains (TN) - 105k (EOY) - $297.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/01/2009 06:31:00 PM PDT - Even Year, MF upto May 2009
Edisto (SC) - 339k - $104.50 - $524.00 - $910.00 - 04/01/2009 06:53:00 PM PDT - 3 deeds (no idea what they are), MF up to May 2009
Sea Gardens (FL) - 189k - $263.85 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/01/2009 07:45:00 PM PDT - buyer may need to pay all 2009 MF to Wyndham
Bentley Brook (MA) - 154k (EOY) - $1.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/02/2009 06:04:00 PM PDT - Odd Year, Use Start 2011
Durango (CO) - 175k - $897.00 - $524.00 - $285.00 - 04/02/2009 12:50:09 PM PDT - MF paid June 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 154k - $350.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/02/2009 06:10:00 PM PDT - Apr use year, MF paid Jun 09
Sedona (AZ) - 77k - $26.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/02/2009 06:20:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Smoky Mountains (TN) - 154k - $535.00 - $524.00 - $312.00 - 04/02/2009 06:23:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Bonnet Creek (FL) - 224k (EOY) - $2,605.55 - $535.00 - $496.00 - 04/02/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - Even year, MF for 2009
Majestic Sun (FL) - 154k - $150.00 - $650.00 - $436.02 - 04/03/2009 11:34:41 AM PDT - Apr use year, MF paid Jun 09
Smoky Mountains (TN) - 154k - $415.00 - $524.00 - $342.00 - 04/03/2009 06:21:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 154k - $1.00 - $524.00 - $372.00 - 04/03/2009 06:41:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Grand Dessert (NV) - 643k - $3,000.00 - $524.00 - $708.00 - 04/03/2009 06:52:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Mountains (NC) - 154k - $178.50 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/03/2009 07:10:00 PM PDT - Use start 2010,
Mountain Vista (MO) - 168k (EOY) - $71.04 - $524.00 - $120.00 - 04/03/2009 07:35:00 PM PDT - Even Year, MF Paid Jun 09
Mountain Vista (MO) - 154k - $430.00 - $348.00 - $0.00 - 04/04/2009 01:15:00 PM PDT - Use start 2010,
El Cid (Mexico) - 154k - $1.00 - $424.00 - $212.16 - 04/04/2009 06:00:00 PM PDT - RTU at 2021, MF cover to Jun 09
Santa Barbara (FL) - 126k - $1.00 - $524.00 - $180.00 - 04/04/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Royal Vista (FL) - 77k - $202.50 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/04/2009 07:23:00 PM PDT - Use start 2010,
Royal Sea Cliff (HI) - 168k (EOY) - $397.00 - $624.00 - $0.00 - 04/04/2009 07:30:00 PM PDT - Odd Year, Use Start 2011
Star Island (FL) - 168k (EOY) - $33.00 - $524.00 - $252.00 - 04/04/2009 08:12:00 PM PDT - Odd Year, MF Paid Jun 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 154k - $199.95 - $348.00 - $0.00 - 04/05/2009 01:15:00 PM PDT - MF paid Sept 09
Grand Dessert (NV) - 154k - $330.00 - $524.00 - $339.00 - 04/05/2009 06:17:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 308k - $285.00 - $524.00 - $369.00 - 04/05/2009 06:45:00 PM PDT - Oct use year, Point start Oct 09, MF paid Jun 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 126k - $11.00 - $125.00 - $644.00 - 04/05/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - 2009 MF paid
Ocean Walk (FL) - 1,003k - $1,925.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/05/2009 07:15:00 PM PDT - Apr use year, Point Start April 10, 2009 MF paid
Patriots' Place (VA) - 154k - $538.99 - $524.00 - $219.00 - 04/05/2009 07:33:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Sedona (AZ) - 154k - $109.27 - $427.00 - $0.00 - 04/06/2009 11:33:01 AM PDT - Unknow MF, seller is a listing agent.
Nashville (TN) - 168k - $610.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/06/2009 06:29:00 PM PDT - Oct use year, Point start Oct 09, MF paid Jun 09
Sedona (AZ) - 154k - $260.00 - $524.00 - $342.00 - 04/06/2009 06:34:00 PM PDT - Apr use year, Point start Apr 09, MF paid Jun 09
Cottages (SC) - 259k - $227.52 - $524.00 - $708.00 - 04/06/2009 06:39:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Glade (TN) - 126k - $1.00 - $570.00 - $640.00 - 04/06/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - 2009 MF paid
Majestic Sun (FL) - 126k - $1.00 - $524.00 - $180.00 - 04/06/2009 07:02:00 PM PDT - Apr use year, Point start Apr 09, MF paid Jun 09
Palm Aire (FL) - 154k (EOY) - $232.50 - $524.00 - $93.00 - 04/06/2009 07:08:20 PM PDT - Odd Year, MF Paid Jun 09
Royal Sea Cliff (HI) - 78k - $397.00 - $624.00 - $0.00 - 04/06/2009 07:20:00 PM PDT - Use start 2010,
Patriots' Place (VA) - 95k - $1.00 - $524.00 - $231.00 - 04/06/2009 07:24:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Grand Dessert (NV) - 189k - $521.00 - $524.00 - $210.00 - 04/07/2009 06:17:00 PM PDT - MF paid Jun 09
Harbour (NC) - 280k - $225.49 - $524.00 - $318.00 - 04/07/2009 06:18:00 PM PDT - Converted Deeded as Week 31 & 37, Unit 23, MF paid Jun 09
Westwind (SC) - 154k - $1.00 - $649.00 - $300.00 - 04/07/2009 06:23:00 PM PDT - 2 Contracts, MF Paid Jun 09
Cypress Palm (FL) - 300k - $510.00 - $535.00 - $844.00 - 04/07/2009 06:30:00 PM PDT - MF to May 2009
Palm Aire (FL) - 105k (EOY) - $1.00 - $474.00 - $0.00 - 04/07/2009 06:35:00 PM PDT - Even Year
Sedona (AZ) - 126k - $96.00 - $524.00 - $294.00 - 04/07/2009 06:40:00 PM PDT - Oct use year, Point start Oct 09, MF paid Jun 09
Ocean Walk (FL) - 308k - $666.00 - $524.00 - $0.00 - 04/07/2009 06:40:00 PM PDT - Use start 2010,
La Cascada (TX) - 287k - $305.00 - $535.00 - $1,381.00 - 04/07/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - 2009 MF paid
Glade (TN) - 105k - $35.00 - $570.00 - $578.00 - 04/07/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - 2009 MF paid
Nashville (TN) - 154k (EOY) - $1.00 - $560.00 - $424.00 - 04/07/2009 07:00:00 PM PDT - Odd Year
Grand Dessert (NV) - 210k (EOY) - $299.00 - $524.00 - $80.00 - 04/07/2009 07:15:00 PM PDT - Even Year, MF Paid Jun 09

So quite a few that get unbid. Not the same as other time, most of the unbid is start from $1 and has no reservation

So did a quick check
Date - number of unbid - comment

 04/01/2009 - 4 -  
 04/02/2009 - 6 -  
 04/03/2009 - 5 -  
 04/04/2009 - 2 -  
 04/05/2009 - 5 -  
 04/06/2009 - 1 -  
 04/07/2009 - 12 - 3 Reserve not Meet, 1 Has high starting bid

As you can see most are starting as $1 and no reservation.

The one with high starting bid is 1M contract, start with close to $5,000

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Compare Apr

Compare the April data

Year - total days recorded - total success bids - avg point size - avg price (per 1K point) - standard dev of the price - Max price per 1k - Min price per 1K

Again the price is final success bid + closing cost

2007 - 10 - 66 - 122.5K - $15.92 - $5.31 - $33.57 - $8.52
2008 - 7 - 32 - 113.8K - $11.05 - $2.90 - $18.49 - $5.29
2009 - 7 - 52 - 201.2K - $6.20 - $4.17 - $28.04 - $1.08

And compare to Jan data (no Max and min)

2007 - 9 days - 42 - 143.5k - $16.95 - 6.25
2008 - 10 days - 27 - 146.6k - $15.33 - 7.11
2009 - 7 days - 63 - 138k - $6.67 - 2.80

The price is still low, but look like it is lower ever year probably because of Tax Season.

So probably we are close to the bottom of the recession. It is up to see if it hold.

By the way, I attach the excel spreadsheet I used to generate these data, I have remove most of the data and left only 3 rows there due to upload constraint.

If you looking at any one period, you can cut and paste the data into the spreadsheet, and choice data -> " text to column" and select delimited as -. You may find some Palm Aire in the old period contains -, sorry about that, if you found that, you need to manually fix it.

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