Was "Shelby Resorts.com - Wyndham ? " NOW -Renting RCI Exchanges/Renting Wyndham Pts

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Ah, c'mon.

Help an old guy who doesn't know how any of this works out.

What's Wyndham's "Commercial Use" policy?

[ronparise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ronparise]

Ah, c'mon.

Help an old guy who doesn't know how any of this works out.

What's Wyndham's "Commercial Use" policy?

Im an old guy that knows exactly how this stuff works

Im not Shelby but I could copy their website and use it as my own,, It sounds like I do exactly what they do


Regarding Wyndhams Commercial use policy, its one line in the Program Disclosures found in the owners directory If you were able to find my post on TUG that you linked to above, you should be able to find this policy. Ive posted about that on TUG as well..

Its in the book

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wynd...ectory1415/#/0


There are two things to be aware of,

1) this is the policy for the "program". The "program" is what makes it possible for the symbolic points based on your deeded ownership at one resort to be used for reservations at another resort.. I may be stretching things a bit but I dont believe that there is any such policy regarding Commercial Use at a resort that I own and I own a ton at La Belle Maison in New Orleans that I use for rentals, primarly Mardi Gras. As evidence for this I can point to the most recent anti renter rule change that Wyndham made. We are now restricted to no more that 10 reservations at one time and place. The exception is for reservations made with "Advanced Reservation Priority" ie with points deeded at your home (owned) resort. They have clearly made a distinction between reservations made through the "program" and reservations made with points you own.

2) There is no definition of "commercial purposes" that I have been able to find. If I am just trying to recover maintenance fees and the money I paid for this stuff...is that "Commercial" ? If Im just trying to make a small return on my investment...is that for"commercial purposes" or for "investment purposes"? If I rent a portion of what I own to pay the maintenance fees on all that I own (ie free vacations for myself) Is that for "commercial purposes" or is it for "personal use and enjoyment"? Does commercial imply profit? If so am I allowed to rent as much as I want, as long as I lose money on each rental? I dont know the answers to these questions.. Im just saying in the absence of a definition, it seems a tough policy to enforce>>

and the fact is it isnt being enforced.. I am known up and down the chain of command within Wyndham Vacation Ownership. They know me and they know what I do, and while they may not like it. They do recognize that I play by the rules

This is no different than what our government does with the policies that it sets There is a law, and then there are the regulations put in place to administer that law. Wyndham has a policy, but then they have a bunch of rules to define that policy and limit rentals .. ie some included guest confirmations, and a charge for anything after that, some included transaction credits, and housekeeping credits, and a charge if you exceed whats included with your ownership. and now the new rule... the nightly limit rule.

It seems to me that Wyndham has chosen to regulate rentals not eliminate rentals, and they act as if renting is a right of ownership.


I have no doubt that Shelby plays by the rules as well

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

"1) yes you can make reservations and rent to others. There is a line in the owners directory that would seem to prohibit commercial renting. But at least for now it's not being enforced. In the past Wyndham enacted several new policies intended to make it more difficult and more expensive. But renting still happens."

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=218280

I posted this trying to find something to say that you would agree with.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Anyway, all I'm trying to say, as an old fart who doesn't know how any of this works, there have been a lot of things over the years that flaunting on the Internet has put an end to.

I believe Inside Guy's words were that there are a lot people reading these boards, reacting, and formulating policy, that we don't know about.

[tonyg Goomba & Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close tonyg]

Is it time to drag the horse out ?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wynd...ectory1415/#/0

405 pages

"The Program is for a Member's own personal use and enjoyment and not for any commercial purposes."

"Wyndham Vacation Resorts reserves the right at its sole and reasonable discretion . . . . " You know, to do whatever they have to do. It's in there; anyone can find it.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Is it time to drag the horse out ?

Yup.

Although, one who has been around as long as you, and who knows of people who have had their privileges suspended, or ended, knows what I'm saying.

Be careful what you flaunt on the Internet.

OK, beat the poor guy now.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Tia:

Just curious . . . in researching this the past few days, I noticed that a complaint about Shelby Resorts was that one of their customers discovered that they paid a lot more through "Shelby" for the same thing that others at the resort got directly from Wyndham Vacation Rentals.

My gut tells me that if it is run like other stuff Wyndham, there is likely a place where you can get stuff directly from Wyndham at a decent price.

Have you looked into that?

https://www.google.com/#q=wyndham+va...+discount+code

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

From their homepage, click "Deals" in the header, and, just like other things Wyndham, you will find that there are "long term" deals and "Last Minute" deals, and there is a place to enter a Promo Code:

http://www.wyndhamvacationrentals.co...als/index.html

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

If the Shelby customers who complained that others at the resort got the same thing for less, direct from Wyndham, where would that be from? Where can the public get stuff direct from Wyndham that "Shelby" can also provide?

For instance, would it be on skyauction, or something like that?

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[ronparise Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ronparise]

so you are not asking questions to learn how this works as you first said
rather, you are trying to say something

In fact I often use the various timeshare forums to communicate my positions to Wyndham management

(Hi Stephanie)

[Tia Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tia]

I have googled the offerings and found what Shelby offered to be very reasonable. It's high season when we are looking to go to the Caribbean, so doubt Wyndham will offer anything better for less, and mostly you find the East Coaster vacationers down there.

I just want to verify they have an actual reservation. I found them on VRBO and there were + reviews. So far no reply to my last email re getting confirmation sooner, they said a couple weeks before and after full payment ...which is not soon enough imo, nor a conference phone call but it is the weekend.

Last year I rented from another Wyndham points owner, no one heard of before either, and it worked just great. She said nothing was available there this year however when I asked re.

Tia:

Just curious . . . in researching this the past few days, I noticed that a complaint about Shelby Resorts was that one of their customers discovered that they paid a lot more through "Shelby" for the same thing that others at the resort got directly from Wyndham Vacation Rentals.

My gut tells me that if it is run like other stuff Wyndham, there is likely a place where you can get stuff directly from Wyndham at a decent price.

Have you looked into that?

https://www.google.com/#q=wyndham+va...+discount+code

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Since Wyndham has so many different variations, I am honestly asking to find out how this works, because, in this case, I honestly don't know.

My question is fairly specific . . . when you go through a Wyndham points multi-owner to "rent" something, are you gaining access to something that cannot be obtained any other way except through membership?

I am trying to relate it to RCI (a substantial portion of which is Wyndham, of course), where anyone and everyone, with or without being an owner or RCI subscriber, can gain access to deposits, and other inventory, directly through RCI or one of it's not-very-well disguised partners.

Like this, complete with a lowest price guarantee:

http://www.skyauction.com/visit/wyndham-bonnet-creek

Or (just a thought) is that , and other sites like it, precisely how non-owners/non-members can get Wyndham stuff.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Regarding what constitutes "commercial use", as for RCI's portion of Wyndham, Madge cleared that up in 2006, when she said:

"You may not receive any compensation beyond the price of the exchange and Guest Certificate fees."

One may logically conclude that Wyndham would not allow the recovery of maintenance fees through renting to non-members.

I could clearly see that to be their intention when they say:

"The Program is for a Member's own personal use and enjoyment and not for any commercial purposes."

As with the renting out of RCI deposits and exchanges, time will tell.

But, I do understand why those who have invested a lot, and have a sizeable annual expense, would like that to not be enforced.