I just learned that I can convert my Foxrun Weeks to Points.

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I know nothing about FF points? Right know I use my Foxrun summer week to trade for full week stays - mostly in Florida. And, II has offerec me an AC for the week in the past. What will I gain, loose by coverting the week to points?

Charles

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You will loss either $2,395 or the difference between devloper purchase and resale market. Plus you will need to pay FSP membership. Not sure if you convert, you will still be able to pull that week to the II. Since they now disallow you to get a week and deposit to RCI or II. You either deposit using a generic point grid, or if you are assigned to RCI, you can request to get a real week through the generic grid, and they will assign you a random week. If it is dual affliate, I think they will put you through RCI. If that is the case, you can use the point to access RCI point resort.

From 13 month to 10 month, you will always get that week back for use. But start from 10 month, you have more flexibility since it is a point system. If it deposit to RCI, you can split them just like you have lockout unit. But you can deposit more than 2 units, depends on the point they give you. If it is 154k, you maybe able to get 5 deposits.

You can also move these points around from one year to another within the system, so help you to get a bigger unit if you want

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I know nothing about FF points? Right know I use my Foxrun summer week to trade for full week stays - mostly in Florida. And, II has offerec me an AC for the week in the past. What will I gain, loose by coverting the week to points?

Charles

FXR is MUCH more valuable with II as a week then it would ever be in Fairfield as points or even deposited as a week with RCI.

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I always wondered if you owned a converted fixed week at Foxrun if you could ARP your original week and deposit that into II. If you could do something like this, then you'd be able to get all the benefits of trading through RCI when you want to or trading through II also. I know that FF eliminated the UDI ARPing of a week, but I didn't notice if they eliminated the converted fixed week ARPing.

It was just something I always wondered, but since I am covered in other ways through RCI and II, I never pursued the question.

If you do, I'd be very interested in the answer.

Lisa

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GrayFal thanks.

FXR is MUCH more valuable with II as a week then it would ever be in Fairfield as points or even deposited as a week with RCI.

That's pretty much all I need to know.

Charles

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Converting A fixed Week To Points

You may convert a week to points. However to do so does not come cheaply.
A fixed week that has already been converted is highly sought on the FF resale market.

The advantages of converting to points. You can still ARP your fixed week. You can then deposit it to any exchange company you choose. (Dont let FF tell you otherwise) I recommend II or even better SFX. Or you can use the points to take multiple "mini" vacations. The use of points does not require ARP in fact you would get the most mileage by using them in the off seasons. In addition you could rent points from other FF point owners (better availabilty and lower cost than from FF) and combine these points with yours to pull resorts that you would not be able to pull with the fixed week exchange.

As I said converting comes with a hefty price tag, be sure of how you vacation. Will the price be worth the expanded means to use the week?

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Me, I just learned that the Foxrun board had to pay almost a half a million dollars in legal fees and that VRI gets almost half a mil skimmed off the top of the collected assessments for their "management fees". Some management, allowing Foxrun's HOA board pursue a foolhardy legal case after refusing to pay owed fees as a form of protest. VRI got a similar foolhardy case going at a timeshare resort in north Georgia...wonder who will win besides lawyers? (And of course the timeshare "owners" pay the price with steep hikes in annual fees and special assessments a real possibility.)

Anyway, if you're buying Foxrun to turn it into points, I advise there's an easier and cheaper way to get Fairfield points. Don't pay hefty conversion fees just shy of $3K to convert when you can buy points for less.

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Carol C - I already own FXR Summer Week

What does ARP mean?

Charles

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What does ARP mean?

Fairfield has a WHOLE language of their own -

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Fairfield has a WHOLE language of their own -

Doesn't all developer try to do that? So it creates certain blackbox on their system and make buyer hard to evaluate it.

What does ARP mean?

ARP - Advance Reservation Period. During that period, the home resort owner can make reservation, no other owner can come and try to get the inventories.

It is 10 month to 13 month for FF. For UDI owner their inventories will be open to VIP owner during 11 month. For converted week (your case), your week will be there until 10 month. After that time, all FF FSP owner can access that week.

In theory, once you get that week in ARP period, you can do anything with that week. Which includes deposit it to any exchange chain you like. FF does not allow you to deposit week you got from 10 month or later to RCI or II your designate external exchange company. That is the only restriction between ARP and regular.

Start this June, they disallow you to get ARP week deposit to their designate exchange chain if you are UDI owner. Don't know what will happen if you are converted week owner. I saw mixed reports. But since it is a method they don't want let owner know, I believe few owner actually use that. It will be very hard to find owner that can compare the result against a random assign week to see if it worth or not.

I believe you purchase that week for II exchange only. I don't know if II exchange owner's perference issue, but you can not deposit generic week to non-FF account. And I will guess if you deposit Marriott week to FF-II account, you very likely will loss the Marriott owner status from on-line.

If you are interested in converted, you need to ask them put down sentence that allow you to deposit this week to II yourselves. Marriott II account VC may still willing to get that week to your account, and the resort probably will still willing to give necessary support to II for that process to work. If you go through FF-II account, it probably will be painful in the future since with less and less owner use that, it is very hard to say what they will do, and if you can make them change mind if they do change their policy.

If you can get that sentence, then the question is can you get enough points for this to worth it. If you have a shoulder season, a big unit (2 or more), it usually worth the conversion. If you have red-red season, it will depends on if you rent it out when you can not use it or not, and how much rent income you can get. If you have white-blue (RCI) or Yellow-Green (II) season, it usually not worth the conversion.

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I couldn't covert to points if I wanted to . . .

I asked about the points thingy when I called to pay my MFs - due upon receipt don't you know.

FXR, gave me FF's #, who transfered me to RCI, who told me to talk to the sales desk at my resort, who told me to call FF, who transfered me to Wydham Resorts, and then, just about when I was gonna get an answer about converting my week to points and the meaning of life . . . I was disconnected.

Charles

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Try this

Phone #800-225-3522 Or #800-251-8736 x 2 for Title. The 1st one is for resort that managed by FF, the 2nd one is FSP UDI or maybe week. Give them your contract#, ask them if you can convert. I think someone told me that the week must be able to deposit to RCI point side in order to be able to convert. Thus it becomes tricky, since if that is the case, FF will set up RCI account for sure, and FF will only deposit it to RCI. Then you need to make sure FF will still allow you to get it at ARP and let II to get it. So you may also want check with your Marriott II to see if they are willing to get it. It involved several parties that may not family with this process each other, and need to be trained by you.

Jya-Ning

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Got some basic info.

I learned that my week is worth 154K points and that it cost $2395 to convert the week. The rep I spoke with also gave me a dummy password that I can use to peek around in the FF site. But I got lost in there - it's not as user friendly as the glitchy II site. At first glance, I does not look as I will have as many exchage options, and I won't be able to use the points to get into Marriotts. I've only stayed in Hiltons, Marriotts, and Disney resorts and I'm little leary of trying new resorts.

Charles

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I probably should ask this question first. Who told you you can convert? If it is HOA, they will have a number to call. If it is from owner update and given by a sale, well, it is sale pitch. Very likely you can not convert that week into FF system. FF does have ways to let you pull RCI week side resort into their system, it will require you to purchase a develop point. If you only have 1 week and less than 3 BR in red season, it usually does not worth the trouble. You can pick a FF point contract from eBay cheaper than that.

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I probably should ask this question first. Who told you you can convert? If it is HOA, they will have a number to call. If it is from owner update and given by a sale, well, it is sale pitch. Very likely you can not convert that week into FF system. FF does have ways to let you pull RCI week side resort into their system, it will require you to purchase a develop point. If you only have 1 week and less than 3 BR in red season, it usually does not worth the trouble. You can pick a FF point contract from eBay cheaper than that.

Jya-Ning

Lake Lure Realty / formally Redden Realty has weeks for sale that have already been converted to points.
If interested, pick the ones with the lowest MFs per # of points given.