Help with Wyn/FF points to Manhattan Club...

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

In the past, I have been able to see and book Manhattan Club weeks with my Wyn/FF deposits....

Then generics stopped working.... but grabbing a red Grand Desert worked for a while...

Now even that won't pull the MC...

Wyn/FF swears even a generic red week should pull it if it is available... so they say they doesn't exist...

RCI will only carefully say "I can't see it with your deposits" But can you see it at all???? " I am sorry, I can't see it with your deposits"...

They even suggested I should ask whoever is seeing them to book it and give them the Grand Desert week... Why should I have to go through that? and why would they suggest that if they didn't know they were there?

I am doing fine with all other areas that we are interested in but this MC issue is getting frustrating...

I am hearing all about how amazing it is that the weeks are still hanging in there for days...

Do you think they are starting to look at how many times you have been there or if they are using some 1 in 3 or 4 rule unofficially?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Pete

[mshatty Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close mshatty]

Peter

If you have Plus Partners feature as part of your Wyn/FF account, you may have a better chance of booking MC through the RCI Nightly Stays. If you are able to do this, you won't get the 28k cheapo exchange but you probably would need a 2BR red anyway.

If you don't have Plus Partners, ask them to do a Search First with a deposit that they think will get it. You have 48 hours to cancel it and get your points back.

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

If you are able to do this, you won't get the 28k cheapo exchange but you probably would need a 2BR red anyway.

I believe it is based on unit type. So if MC is stdio, you still get stdio points but very likely is 70k since it is red. If it is 1 Bd, then it is 105k. I don't believe you will see MC 2 BD in exchange. (just check, it does not have 2 BD in RCI directory).

Jya-Ning

[Maggie Member Find all posts View Profile Close Maggie]

I put a 2 bedroom ocean front week at Myrtle Beach on deposit 8 months ago with an ongoing search for Manhattan Club. I have told them I would accept a one bedroom in exchange. I've never been called. I have called asking about it several times and all they tell me is that they have no availability and that the Manhattan Club is very hard to get through exchange. They call me about once a month and ask me to accept something else, but so far I haven't done so. I now also have a Fairfield Plus RCI account which has a deposit of 154,000 points (or 1 week) deposited and that does not draw Manhattan Club either.

I'll probably end up taking something less before my deposits expire.

[lawren2 Malibu Beach Barbie & A Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close lawren2]

Peter there are MC weeks for all first quarter 09. I can see all with a tiger. A low moderate week sees only 1/31/09 studio. I wonder if you call and mention that one specifically if they can see it with your FF account?

I have heard quite a bit grumbling about how FF is trading.

You can see the whole MC availability list in RCI Ex-Ops as I posted them this morning.

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

I have tried Plus Partners through RCI Nightly Exchange but that can only be done 10 months out so all the first quarter stuff is just out of reach....

I am using a 105K Grand Desert 1brd red Christmas week that took alot to get out of FF but still can't see them.

FF says even a generic should pull it and RCI says they can't see it so they both say they aren't there....

So I will call again this morning armed with the list from Lawren...

I guess either Lawren or the entire FF/RCI empire is lying!

I believe Lawren...

Any other suggestions... please post them...
I will let you know how this turns out....

Pete

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

FF VCs have no idea what something will pull, they only know that a "red 1BR" should get you a "red 1BR".

If you get a good RCI-FF rep (by calling the direct number, or having FF transfer you to RCI), you will sometimes get some good information about what it will take, because these folks see a lot of exchange attempts, both successful and unsuccessful.

I think your best bet is to wait for the PP 10 month window, though it can't ever hurt to call and check with your visible week, just to be sure.

[EAM Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EAM]

In theory, the Wyndham guides get information from RCI about what it will take to pull a particular week. In practice, doing a "search first" with a 3-way call, and increasing the size of the deposit until you give up or get what you want may work better.

Also, back when Madge was answering questions on TUG, she stated that even a 3BR red deposit of FSP points would not necessarily pull any available week.

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

I called RCI again and got a great supervisor who came up with a theory that sounds about right...

The Grand Desert week seems strong enough to pull it but the depth of MC inventory (not the number of dates but the number of weeks for each date) is very thin so the trade week has to be stronger... maybe even stronger than any Wyn/FF... (shades of Madge's statement).

So, Wyn/FF owners are not likely to pull a lone week at MC ever... but during a bulk deposit, if there is enough inventory, it may pull a week...

It also seems that to control this, MC is releasing their weeks in smaller batches...

His recommendation was to open a Request and if MC dumps in another batch that overlaps the previous bunch, there may be enough inventory to raise the supply and drop the level of what is needed to pull it and it comes through.

So I did it and will let you know if it works...

Great rep! Seemed to really understand the system and it seemed to fit with what Madge has said as well as my experiences.

Pete

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

I saw a post that more MC weeks were available...

Called RCI to find my request came through...

So if you can't get the trade, you may want to consider putting in a request...

It seems the last RCI rep was right, if the inventory jumps for even an hour and the increased supply means a less powerful week can pull it, your request may come through before the supply drops and the needed power goes back up.

I doubt this will make much of a difference with a real poor trader but if you have a good week that should pull it, but won't, you may be right on the edge and unless you are trying the system 24/7 you may miss a short jump in supply that may make the difference.

Good luck to all... hope this can help others.

Pete

[bigfrank Administrator Find all posts View Profile Close bigfrank]

I saw a post that more MC weeks were available...

Called RCI to find my request came through...

So if you can't get the trade, you may want to consider putting in a request...

It seems the last RCI rep was right, if the inventory jumps for even an hour and the increased supply means a less powerful week can pull it, your request may come through before the supply drops and the needed power goes back up.

I doubt this will make much of a difference with a real poor trader but if you have a good week that should pull it, but won't, you may be right on the edge and unless you are trying the system 24/7 you may miss a short jump in supply that may make the difference.

Good luck to all... hope this can help others.

Pete

Was your week all ready on hold when you checked or did a rep put it on hold for you?

[GrayFal Silver Contributor and supermoderator Find all posts View Profile Close GrayFal]

I saw a post that more MC weeks were available...

Called RCI to find my request came through...

So if you can't get the trade, you may want to consider putting in a request...

It seems the last RCI rep was right, if the inventory jumps for even an hour and the increased supply means a less powerful week can pull it, your request may come through before the supply drops and the needed power goes back up.

I doubt this will make much of a difference with a real poor trader but if you have a good week that should pull it, but won't, you may be right on the edge and unless you are trying the system 24/7 you may miss a short jump in supply that may make the difference.

Good luck to all... hope this can help others.

Pete

I had assumed from your first post that you had put a request in .... because if you CALL RCI - they will ALWAYS tell you you will never get Manhattan Club.
As I have learned NEVER to assume, please take the advice of many here that when you see the sightings posted - IMMEDIATELY put in your request - as you probably will be 'computer' matched .... I bet when u called and the RCI person checked your account - they were very surprised you had been matched to MC - they are ALWAYS surprised that anyone matches as they get so many requests - they can not even come close to filling.

I put a 2 bedroom ocean front week at Myrtle Beach on deposit 8 months ago with an ongoing search for Manhattan Club. I have told them I would accept a one bedroom in exchange. I've never been called. I have called asking about it several times and all they tell me is that they have no availability and that the Manhattan Club is very hard to get through exchange. They call me about once a month and ask me to accept something else, but so far I haven't done so. I now also have a Fairfield Plus RCI account which has a deposit of 154,000 points (or 1 week) deposited and that does not draw Manhattan Club either.

I'll probably end up taking something less before my deposits expire.

Maggie, I don't know if you have what it takes to get MC

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

Frank,

Early AM, I saw a couple more postings of weeks still available, checked my account online and nothing... called as soon as they opened and they were shocked it was matched.

It was probably matched between the online check and the call and I got to them before they could get to me.

GrayFal,

I don't like to use requests. I prefer calling them back a few times and just get the exchange during one of the calls. I don't like to leave it open-ended. You were right on the money... total shock...

I still don't fully understand why it wouldn't matchup right away but did about 48 hours later.

Something happened... I also did give them a range of dates, so I guess something shifted.

I did learn, get the request in ASAP and hold tight...

Maggie,

I don't know if a 2bdrm/MyrtleBeach will pull it... it should if it is a red week but it could also be the week/weeks you request.

I may have just got a week that they happened to have a bunch of rather than one that they have very few. From the posts that have followed, the week I got is still on the list so they had to have more than one...

The only suggestion would be to add as many dates as you can to the request and even open up to a studio rather than a 1 bdrm if it will work for you. Be real flexible and cross your fingers.

Pete

[EAM Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close EAM]

Peter,

How many points did it take to pull MC with FSP?

[PeterS Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close PeterS]

Peter,

How many points did it take to pull MC with FSP?

I didn't use a generic deposit, but used a 1 brd Grand Desert LV Christmas week.

I asked FF for a 1brd red week and at Grand Desert for 105,000pts. I had no choice of the week (just got lucky).

From my experience and what I have seen posted, I don't think any generic point weeks will pull MC.

Of course as RCI and II say, due to the ever changing inventory, and the laws of supply and demand, nothing is guaranteed once this call (or post) ends...

Pete