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  • Interval HORRIBLE Fraud tactics

    Hello, at first I thought Interval had come through for us by allowing us to change the date of our getaway due to the passing of my wife's mother.

    That seemed great until we checked into our 3br unit at Kissimmee Star Island Resort.

    There were 2 br and one sitting room with a sleepsofa. I called the desk at 11pm(late arrival) and was told that I.I. considers that to be a legitimate 3br. "your mistake was booking through I.I." was exactly what the night auditor said on March 6th. It turns out this place doesn't have 3br at all. Every unit is the same with the only option being to rent a unit A & B and separate unit A if you really want "3 br".

    My mother (retired grandma) booked the getaway and didn't look closely at the confirmation that arrives via email NEXT DAY AFTER you confirm payment. Why would she need to inspect page 3 to see for sure if there is a BED in the 3rd BEDROOM.

    We called I.I. and explained that we had 6 people on this weeklong stay and paid for and expected 3 BEDS to sleep on. Not a pull-out couch for a week. Their position was that "technically" we have 3 bedrooms. They said the confirmation "explained" there was a pull-out couch and therefore we were "told" When I asked for a supervisor, he said" all getaways are final and I have Supervisory authority, you were told that there was a couch in the bedroom and technically you got what asked for." he refused to connect me to a Supervisor and stated nobody could do anything. When I asked if there was another resort nearby, he said "we're all sold out everywhere" without even a pause to check. I believe that was a direct lie. He then continued to throw it back in my face that I should have read the confirmation and seen that this wasn't an actual 3 bedroom unit.

    This phone conversation took place in the lobby of the Star Island Resort. I continually refused to accept the type of fraud tactic that I.I. used and repeatedly stated that a pull-out couch does not make a room a bedroom. As I raised my voice in protest, other guests heard what our problem was. The Generall manager was called to the front desk and she approached me in the lobby. Her name was Blair. She unapologetically repeated what the I.I. person kept throwing in my face.

    "The confirmation said it was a pull-out couch and therefore that makes it a bedroom. doesn't matter what you expected the bedroom to be. Doesn't matter how many people you're traveling with or what your sleeping needs are. This is what you get when you stay here. Your problem is with I.I. for not telling you more clearly what our rooms are like and for not booking you in a resort with 3 actual bedrooms".

    I stated that I.I. is committing fraud and she said that since the rooms have a door, a closet and a pull-out couch, "legally" I.I. considers it a bedroom.

    She then stated that if I didn't leave the lobby, she would call security and have me removed from the property because she can't "build me a building with 3 bedrooms". I asked if she could at least have a bed put in place of the pull-out couch for the week. Immediately refused.

    Star Island and I.I. would rather deceive people and take their money, kick them off their property and force them into uncomfortable stays. It pretty much ruined my vacation and left the rest of my family feeling like we have to make due.

    We would never book a 3 bedroom 7night stay knowing that someone will be on a sleep-sofa. We could have saved money and booked 2br instead since most already have sleeper in the living room. We feel we were deceived and then told TOO BAD by I.I. and we never would have gone to Star Island if I.I. didn't sell it as a 3br. There are plenty of 3br resorts that I.I. has to choose from in and around Orlando and they shouldn't be deceiving people the way they did.

    Jay

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    Star Island refers to this unit as their 3br, although many individuals refer to it as a 2br lockout. It's quite common for the small side of a lockout to be a studio type villa with a pull out.

    I'm sorry you feel slighted, but I have to side with Interval on this one. FYI in the future, Westgate Lakes has larger 3br villas that may be more suitable for you.
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    • #3
      Sorry to here about your situation, Jay. I wouldn't want the pullout if it were my family either. Thank you for posting though. I didn't know about Star Island and this. I frequently look for 3 bedrooms when we travel so this is good info for the future.

      I hope it doesn't ruin your week

      Debi

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      • #4
        So you have three distinct rooms, each with private sleeping areas, and a living room area in addition.

        I can't think of a single exchange company - or even resort - that wouldn't class that as a 3-bedroom unit.

        *****

        The sleeper sofa as a bedroom situation often happens with lockout units, where a someone splits a one bedroom unit into a "hotel room" and a "studio". The bedroom side is the "hotel room", because that's essentially all it is - a room with a bed and bath. The living room/kitchen half of the lockout becomes a "studio" because it has the kitchen. But the bed in the studio is a sleeper sofa.

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        The lesson that I've learned is to always verify what it is you think you're getting.
        “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

        “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

        “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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        • #5
          You may also want to try Grand Beach in Orlando. They have 3 BDRMs - two king beds, two twins - plus a queen sleeper sofa if you really need to sleep 2 more (for a total of 8). Units are often available here.

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          • #6
            It's not necessarily Interval but the resort developer themselves. We ran into this issue early on when making exchanges. It taught me how to go online and research the resorts I was interested in staying at and then how to make certain I didn't make a request that could get us into a unit that wouldn't fit our needs or, be a reasonable exchange for what I'd given up IMO. Sometimes this means entire resorts are left off our exchange request because there's no way to make an ongoing exchange without the risk of getting an undesirable unit.

            Lately, it seems fashionalbe for developers to make a few modifications to the lock-out side, which would normally be a studio unit, that makes it fit the legal descritpion of a one bedroom unit. Most of the time I can find these easily by seeing the LK for limited kitchen designation. Other times I have to run through an online exchange (up to the point of final confirmation) to see the kitchen amenities. Things like a mini-fridge are dead giveways that it's a glorified studio. Queen size beds are also an idication but not a hard and fast rule. Mini fridges and units without stoves are also indicators but again, not hard and fast rules that it's a smaller lock-out.

            Of course there are the resort reviews online here and at TUG that I'll read to see what sort of units people have stayed in. This helps give me an idea of what type of units are offered at different resorts. If I even think that a resort offers what I refer to as the glorified studio unit masking as a 1 bedroom unit, I shy away from using that resort for our vacation needs unless I can get a larger unit to guarentee we have adaquate space for our needs.

            When you get right down to it, it's more a matter of developers that have learned to work the system to enhance their sales. Nothing like a timeshare salesman who can tell a prospect that they're buying a two bedroom unit that can be locked-out and exchanged as two full one bedroom units, even when that second unit isn't really what a normal person would consider a full one bedroom unit. I blame the developers more so than I blame either Interval International or RCI.
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            • #7
              We have stayed at Star island in a real 3 bedroom unit. Maybe that's only available through Wyndham points and not an exchange ?

              Joyce

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              • #8
                I'm sorry you learned the hard way that you need to examine resort confirmation/exchange details very carefully. Each resort has it's own bedding setup and if it's important, you've got to check. Whenever I'm not sure or can't tell from the confirmation, I call the resort directly. II confirmations generally indicate the furnishings in each room. If it indicated a bed in the lockout rather than a pullout sofa, that's another story.

                I wouldn't want a pullout in a "bedroom," either.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by T. R. Oglodyte View Post
                  So you have three distinct rooms, each with private sleeping areas, and a living room area in addition.

                  I can't think of a single exchange company - or even resort - that wouldn't class that as a 3-bedroom unit.
                  Acutally, if you don't have a door, you don't have a private sleeping area. The Chalets at Mountainloft in Gatlinburg have 2 bedrooms, but 1 king, 1 queen and 2 twin beds. The twin beds are in a loft, no door so not a legal bedroom. Yes, someone could sleep there, but without the door, they are not a bedroom. This unit also has a pull out couch, so it does sleep 8, but is a 2 bedroom.

                  Big Cedar and Mountain loft, and I am sure many others in the Bluegreen system, have the lock out unit, but you need to be booking both, not a 2 bedroom or three bedroom if they are not listed that way.
                  Don

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by vintner View Post
                    Acutally, if you don't have a door, you don't have a private sleeping area. The Chalets at Mountainloft in Gatlinburg have 2 bedrooms, but 1 king, 1 queen and 2 twin beds. The twin beds are in a loft, no door so not a legal bedroom. Yes, someone could sleep there, but without the door, they are not a bedroom. This unit also has a pull out couch, so it does sleep 8, but is a 2 bedroom.

                    Big Cedar and Mountain loft, and I am sure many others in the Bluegreen system, have the lock out unit, but you need to be booking both, not a 2 bedroom or three bedroom if they are not listed that way.
                    This year I caught a break on our MF's for one of the units I own. When we purchased the unit it was listed by the resort as a three bedroom penthouse. The third bedroom was really just a loft with two twin beds. This year they corrected the listing from a 3 bedroom unit to a 2 bedroom with loft unit and, at the same time, decreased our MF's from what they were charging for a full three bedroom unit to what they've been charging for a 2 bedroom unit.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by vintner View Post
                      Acutally, if you don't have a door, you don't have a private sleeping area. The Chalets at Mountainloft in Gatlinburg have 2 bedrooms, but 1 king, 1 queen and 2 twin beds. The twin beds are in a loft, no door so not a legal bedroom. Yes, someone could sleep there, but without the door, they are not a bedroom. This unit also has a pull out couch, so it does sleep 8, but is a 2 bedroom.

                      Big Cedar and Mountain loft, and I am sure many others in the Bluegreen system, have the lock out unit, but you need to be booking both, not a 2 bedroom or three bedroom if they are not listed that way.
                      You are absolutely correct - if it doesn't have a door it's not a bedroom. When I wrote "distinct" I was thinking door, but that was a poor choice of words.

                      The loft units that I am familiar with give credit for the loft sleeping capacity. For example a two bedroom unit with loft will typically be listed as a two bedroom, sleeps eight.
                      “Maybe you shouldn't dress like that.”

                      “This is a blouse and skirt. I don't know what you're talking about.”

                      “You shouldn't wear that body.”

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                      • #12
                        Take this further and post on Tripadvisor........................ Also, see what other reviews there are.


                        Star Island Resort and Club (Kissimmee, FL) - Resort Reviews - TripAdvisor

                        http://www.tripadvisor.com/UserRevie...e_Florida.html

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                        • #13
                          bad service = bad reviews

                          Originally posted by rikkis_playpen View Post
                          Star Island refers to this unit as their 3br, although many individuals refer to it as a 2br lockout. It's quite common for the small side of a lockout to be a studio type villa with a pull out.

                          I'm sorry you feel slighted, but I have to side with Interval on this one. FYI in the future, Westgate Lakes has larger 3br villas that may be more suitable for you.
                          We did get a getaway through I.I.at Westgate with the same group travelling in 2008. It was awesome, perfect with 3 real bedrooms and would have gone there again in a hot second if there was any hint that Star Island wasn't what we needed. I.I. made it out to be 3 bedrooms and we trusted their word. There is legal and there is ethical, selling a vacation with that kind of misleading description is un-ethical. It is their attitude later that even though its not what you expected, "technically" and "legally" we sold it and you bought it. SUCKER enjoy sleeping on a couch!

                          If you want to side with that type of business ethic then you're doing a little more than moderating here. I'm sure you would have a different opinion had YOU checked in there expecting a bed for your mother to sleep on in her own room.

                          I'm posting here as someone who DID deal with Interval and their customer service policy in order to help others to be aware this company operates this way. Their level of service should dictate how their product and affiliates will be reviewed. bad service=bad reviews.

                          I don't care who's on their side. Just would rather others find a 3 bedroom if they need a 3 bedroom and probably use another exchange company because I wouldn't count on Interval's people at all.

                          Jay

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                          • #14
                            I can understand your frustration, but have to side with II. Unfortunately, we all need to do our due diliegence, not only with timeshare rentals, but in other aspects of our lives.

                            I learned the hard way to check out the amenities when we rented a one bedroom apartment in London a number of years ago. DH and I took his elderly mother to Paris and London and rented a one bedroom apartment in a condo-hotel type setup for the week in each city. Paris was fine...MIL slept in the bedroom while DH and I slept on the pull-out couch in the living room. Imagine our surprise when we got to London and their idea of a one bedroom apartment was a loft! And to make matters worse, to reach the loft was difficult and MIL's health did not allow for this. We complained and complained to be put into a real one bedroom apt, to no avail. MIL had to sleep on the couch for the week with DH and I in the bed in the loft. It was then I learned to always check on the room/apt amenities.

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                            • #15
                              But how do you check to get complete and correct information? If the renting / exchange company says it is one thing, how do you verify the information? Where do you go to get it?
                              Don

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