Weeks Enhancements

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

More unfairness:

Escapes! to Stonebridge Village (#3402)

2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Sat 23-Jul-2011 Sat 30-Jul-2011 Exchange Fee 25

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 21
Current Trading Power 20

2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Sun 15-Jul-2012 Sun 22-Jul-2012 Exchange Fee 26

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 22
Current Trading Power 22


Charlotte Bay Resort and Club (#5107)
2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 31-Mar-2012 Sat 07-Apr-2012 Exchange Fee 30

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 26
Current Trading Power 26

So, why don't they give the same to deposit as they get for an exchange?

[fishingguy Member Find all posts View Profile Close fishingguy]

Hmmmmm, looks like a page out of the Mariott playbook:

------>>>> The ol' Mariott skim????

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More unfairness:

Escapes! to Stonebridge Village (#3402)

2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Sat 23-Jul-2011 Sat 30-Jul-2011 Exchange Fee 25

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 21
Current Trading Power 20

2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Sun 15-Jul-2012 Sun 22-Jul-2012 Exchange Fee 26

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 22
Current Trading Power 22


Charlotte Bay Resort and Club (#5107)
2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 31-Mar-2012 Sat 07-Apr-2012 Exchange Fee 30

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 26
Current Trading Power 26

So, why don't they give the same to deposit as they get for an exchange?

Camaron Cove #0843

2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Sat 14-Jan-2012 Sat 21-Jan-2012 Exchange Fee 35

Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 25
Current Trading Power 25

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More unfairness . . . not being able to get your own week with your own week:

Windward Passage Resort, 1 bedroom, 1/14/2012:

Maximum Trading Power 26
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Windward Passage Resort (#2644) 1 available units
Fort Myers Beach
FL, 33931
Available Unit Size
1 Bedroom
Check-In Date
14-Jan-2012
Exchange Trading Power 32
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Not the same resort, but not being able to get a 1-bedroom with a comparable 2-bedroom:

Sea Oats Beach Club, 2 bedroom, week 1: 21

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

RCI has clearly picked up Marriot's deplorable habit of skimming.

These resorts need to be educated about what RCI is doing, and suggest that they move to a more honest exchange company, which would be any of the others.

More unfairness . . . not being able to get your own week with your own week:

Windward Passage Resort, 1 bedroom, 1/14/2012:

Maximum Trading Power 26
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Windward Passage Resort (#2644) 1 available units
Fort Myers Beach
FL, 33931
Available Unit Size
1 Bedroom
Check-In Date
14-Jan-2012
Exchange Trading Power 32
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Not the same resort, but not being able to get a 1-bedroom with a comparable 2-bedroom:

Sea Oats Beach Club, 2 bedroom, week 1: 21

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

Supply and demand?????? Really??????

When I first heard that RCI was going to impose a points lite system for its former Weeks program, I posted that the test on the integrity of its numbers would be to compare numbers in the overbuilt areas with those in the really hard to get areas. This will tell whether the numbers genuninely reflect supply and demand or whether they are based on pandering to developers.

Well, the numbers do tell the tale.

For the overbuilt areas, I will use one of the most overbuilt resorts in one of the most overbuilt areas, Vacation Village at Parkway in Orlando. There is always gobs of inventory for exchange availible there much of the year. OY someone reported that for week 52 in 2011, RCI was giving 50 points lite for a deposit but only requiring 10 points lite to trade in to the very same week. If that doesn't smell to high heaven, I do not know what does. Since that is a 1BR side of a lockout, someone would gets 100 points lite for both sides but someone could trade in for 20. In fact they could trade back into their own week and have 80 points lite left to burn.

But for this comparision I will use a more mundane week at VV@Parkway that another poster OY reported. It was a 2BR lockout for week 6, a time that kids are not out of school for Disney. That 2BR lockout gave 24 points lite for each side or a total of 48 for splitting and then recombining both sides of the 2BR lockout.

That's 48 points lite for a rather mundane 2BR week at an overbuilt resort in an overbuilt area.

Now lets compare that with how many points lite are awarded at some of the most hard to get resorts in some hard to get areas in prime time. Many of these are, in fact, extremely hard to find availibility at any time of the year, not just prime time. These are are 2BR units.

France - Chateau de Maulmont, 2BR wk. 30 - 23 points lite
Bermuda - St. Georges Club, 2BR, wk 30 - 33 points lite
Venice, Italy - Perle Veneziene, 2BR, wk. 30 - 32 points lite
Charleston, SC - Lodge Alley Inn, 2BR, wk. 30 - 33 points lite
St. John, USVI - Sunset Ridge Villas, 2BR, wk. 6 - 23 points lite
Dublin, Ireland - Fitzpatrick Castle, 2BR, wk. 30 - 43 points lite
Savannah / Tybee Island - Tybrissa, 2BR, wk. 30 - 28 points lite
Monaco / Riviera - Residence le Castel, 2BR, wk. 30 - 26 points lite

There is only one reason why any of these should have lower numbers than a 2BR at overbuilt VV@Parkway in overbuilt Orlando and that is F-R-A-U-D (i.e. putting their thumb on the scales). Points Lite is the sort of numbers racket that the mafia would love. RCI should be ashamed of itself.

And why in the world, when they are being cheated so badly, would an owner of any of the weeks mentioned (other than VV@Parkway, of course) ever want to deposit their week with RCI??????????

Resorts that RCI panders to, like VV@Parkway make out like bandits, but those with genuine very high demand / very low supply
weeks get royally screwed. I could add some UK resorts as well, but since I own in the UK, I have for this post stuck with areas where I do not own and therefore cannot be viewed as having personal motivations for these observations.

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Speaking of OY, is anyone posting about either of the following:

1. Now needing more than one deposit to get any of the exchanges they have in the past, with the same deposit,

2. Instances of not being able to get their own week with their own deposit, more TPUs required to trade in than are given for depositing (either their own or others).

???

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Not the same resort, but not being able to get a 1-bedroom with a comparable 2-bedroom:

Sea Oats Beach Club, 2 bedroom, week 1: 21

This example came about from a hot tub discussion with the owners, who were upset about the results.

They are among the hundreds of owners of SW FL Snowbird Weeks I have talked to personally over 20 years, who, generally, are clueless concerning RCI, except for a general notion that they get screwed by them. In this case, they own a high-demand 2-bedroom at a lesser resort on a SW FL beach Week 1, and said they have never been able to get any exchanges they have tried.

They still can't, even into their own week with their own week.

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More unfairness, not being able to get your own deposit with your own deposit:

Sutherland Crossing (#0934)
2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 30-Jul-2011 Sat 06-Aug-2011 Exchange Fee
33


Maximum Trading Power to Deposit: 27

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

Have you tried educating people like this about the independent exchange companies or suggested that they push their HOA to dual affiliate with II, or heck just drop RCI and move completely to II?

This example came about from a hot tub discussion with the owners, who were upset about the results.

They are among the hundreds of owners of SW FL Snowbird Weeks I have talked to personally over 20 years, who, generally, are clueless concerning RCI, except for a general notion that they get screwed by them. In this case, they own a high-demand 2-bedroom at a lesser resort on a SW FL beach Week 1, and said they have never been able to get any exchanges they have tried.

They still can't, even into their own week with their own week.

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Have you tried educating people like this about the independent exchange companies or suggested that they push their HOA to dual affiliate with II, or heck just drop RCI and move completely to II?

In many SW FL resorts, and especially among Snowbird owners, exchanging is just not an issue.

&, no, I don't try to educate people. I just sit around and whine.

Seriously, we here are a very small segment of timesharing, and most owners, HOAs, etc. don't care about the things we here do. They have a real life.

My home resort HOA could give a rip when rentals first began, and I learned quick not to bother them with things that should be important to them, but aren't.

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More unfairness, not being able to get your own week with your own week:

Charlotte Bay Resort and Club (#5107)
2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 31-Mar-2012 Sat 07-Apr-2012 Exchange Fee 30
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5107-Charlotte Bay Resort and Club
CB104
Interval 13 Year 12
Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 26 Current Trading Power 26

[joycapecod Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close joycapecod]

Yes, it is unequitable when you get less for a deposit that it takes to trade in. OTOH there are some who own "high powered" weeks that are thrilled to be able to get two exchanges for their deposit where they used to be able to get only one.

Joy

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Yes, it is unequitable when you get less for a deposit that it takes to trade in. OTOH there are some who own "high powered" weeks that are thrilled to be able to get two exchanges for their deposit where they used to be able to get only one.

Joy

The nature of the beast suggests there would be far fewer of them than the others. And far fewer than there use-ta-be, as some folks who use-ta-be able to seem everything now report being in the less fortunate category, along with the previously less fortunate.

Yeah, there have been reports of some illogical over-awarding, also.

But, then, the heritage of the point-assignors has a history of having problems with numbers.

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More unfairness:

Marco Resort and Club (#1861) 1 available units
Marco Islannd FL, 34145
Available Unit Size
1 Bedroom
Check-In Date
21-Jan-2012
Exchange Trading Power
34
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1861-Marco Resort and Club
Unit 101 1 Bedroom
Interval/Year 3/12
Deposit Trading Power
Maximum Trading Power 24
Current Trading Power 24

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