RCI Deposit Calculator

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

If we accept that, than does that means the trading power of deposited one will at sometime start to get up?

My understanding is that, once deposited, the value is fixed.

But this tool is tagged as calculating the "Maximum Possible Value".

We shall see over time. But, my reading of that tool is that the Maximum/Current is only relative to the 9-month and under "discount" period, and the tool is clear to say "if you deposit today". If you deposit tomorrow, or next week, or next month---even if it is before the 9-month cutoff date, it could change. On Day Four of the Brave New World, it's hard to know for sure.

Curiously, the poster above states the tool shows >later< 2012 weeks with >30% higher value< than 2011 weeks.

There are many possible reasons. For example, the resort may also have bulk-banked 2011, but not 2012. At resorts that bulk-bank, you probably want to deposit *before* the banking. At resorts that don't, it may (or may not) make sense to wait until closer in. We'll just have to see what happens.

If I were in your shoes, I'd simply not deposit my 2012 weeks (yet), and wait to see what happens. If the valuations never increase, I would decide whether the lower values were worth depositing, or if I should take them to an independent, use them myself, or rent them out. We're never guaranteed any specific value going forward---but we can decide whether the values we get make it worth depositing.

I deposited my 2012 week at the two year mark and it has the same trade power as my 2011 week.

Mine are also about the same from year to year---very small differences. But, what happens to my deposits, or Jya-Ning's deposits, doesn't matter for Lawrence's deposits.

Still awaiting the next reply to my inquiries from rci.

If you get a response that is even remotely informative, I will be shocked.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I have a HUGE headache.......

touche'

The RCI enhancement headache

As is often said in direct sales, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull----."

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

This is the disclaimer on the deposit calculator. It is a bit ambiguous, but it does not say that the maximum cannot change - only that the maximum is as of today. That is how I interpret it. Also, it does not say "maximum possible value" it says "maximum trading power".

Thanks for the correction. Is there a difference? The terms are pretty much synonomous.

The "current trading power" value produced by the tool is not in question. Yes, it clearly reads that it represents the value if deposited now.

The query of the original post of the thread is why is the "maximum trading power" value reported by the tool 21 points for P4A in 2011 and only 14 points for the same unit/week in 2012? And 18 points for P4B in 2011 and only 12 points for that very same unit/week in 2012?

Same resort, unit, week. Substantially different "maximum trading power" value produced by the calculator tool in '11 and '12.

Answers, clues or premises addressing that point would be most welcome!

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

My understanding is that, once deposited, the value is fixed.

That's what the tool seems to imply.

If I were in your shoes, I'd simply not deposit my 2012 weeks (yet), and wait to see what happens. If the valuations never increase, I would decide whether the lower values were worth depositing, or if I should take them to an independent, use them myself, or rent them out.

Believe me, I won't be depositing '12 until I get an answer. Pr'bly not '11 either!

The other thing that makes this such a shell game is I can't see any avalable exchange inventory at all and if anything I'd like is available and what it will "cost" in trading power without committing to deposit something >first< ! I inquired by email to rci about this, too. But that issue is worth a new thread all by itself.

If you get a response that is even remotely informative, I will be shocked.

Me too. I repeated and expanded my inquiries in subsequent emails.... and I tried to type much more slowly.

[pkfox Member Find all posts View Profile Close pkfox]

we are seeing todays trade transparency

What we are seeing is today’s trade transparency. We can debate RCI past policies forever and it would still be speculation. What we have now is real numbers in real time. Whether these are the same numbers used last week we will not know and I am not sure why it matters it is what it is. Some people when they see these numbers will decide a different exchange company will be better for them, others who should move on will stay with RCI. Some people will return to their home resorts (some have never been there).
But we are finally able to see in real time what our week will do in relationship to today’s availability. I think this is a huge step along with maintaining some trade value. Now maybe more people will deposit weeks that they never would of before. I had never deposited a Hawaii week before this week.
New strategies must be learned to deal with the new info available. Today as I toggled between 2 resorts trying to decide which city I would prefer a 2 bedroom week changed from a 20 to a 17. Maybe not a new occurrence but certainly one we were not aware of before this week.
Timesharing has always been changing. Maybe not always fast enough to readily observe, but its been changing. Starting with fixed weeks, then exchange companies, then float weeks, then mini systems and so on not necessarily in that order but changing.
I do not see greet this as much as change to timesharing as much as a refreshing option, if it does not work for you, you should maybe move to a different plan. Maybe a different exchange company, maybe rent it out, maybe use it yourself. If you can not rent it and you do not want to use it maybe there in lays the exchange power problem you are facing.
Remember some day these may be the good old days.

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

Hey fox, it's not very transparent why the very same resort/unit/weeks have different "maximum trading power" from '11 to '12! Can you explain it?

The 'points lite' enhancements are definitely a step forward. I've emailed suggestions to rci on and off since around 1995 to incorporate some of the technology behind the points into the weeks program. Maybe my one little tiny voice added to thousands asking for changes and improvements did some good. Ya think? Shucks, I shoulda just accepted 'the way it is', gone to my units and baaaa'd like a sheep?

Ask and ye shall receive.
Cheers

[SteveChapin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SteveChapin]

I have a week 50 that I deposited in January that has a trade power of 17. When I use the calculator to see what I could deposit it for now, the max is 14.

Most of the Bluegreen weeks that I've checked have identical TP comparing 2011 to 2012 (it just doesn't necessarily match what already-deposited weeks got). No surprise there.

[pkfox Member Find all posts View Profile Close pkfox]

Hey fox, it's not very transparent why the very same resort/unit/weeks have different "maximum trading power" from '11 to '12! Can you explain it?

The 'points lite' enhancements are definitely a step forward. I've emailed suggestions to rci on and off since around 1995 to incorporate some of the technology behind the points into the weeks program. Maybe my one little tiny voice added to thousands asking for changes and improvements did some good. Ya think? Shucks, I shoulda just accepted 'the way it is', gone to my units and baaaa'd like a sheep?

Ask and ye shall receive.
Cheers

The transparence is that now you see the values but before you could not. I have been trading a studio Arizona for a 2 bedroom for the next winter for the last few years,a trade not available for the upcoming season. The values have been there but not in black and white where we could see them. As for different (lower) values for earlier deposits this may also have always been the model, now we see it. I believe there is a complicated formula that has been in use and has not been totally rewritten because of disclosing values.

[bnoble Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bnoble]

Can you explain it?

Well, you didn't like my theory. I'm guessing the only explanation that would make you happy is "Oh, that's a mistake, we can fix that for you." But, I'll wager that that's not going to happen.

But, in the end, it doesn't matter why. What matters is what the number is. When you become eligible for the sightings board, you'll have more of a sense for what those credit values can buy you, and make an informed decision.

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

[QUOTE Well, you didn't like my theory. QUOTE]

It looked like a copy and paste of what anyone can read on the tool results page. There was a theory in there? Sorry, I missed it.

[QUOTE But, in the end, it doesn't matter why. What matters is what the number is. QUOTE]

Perhaps it doesn't matter to you. Not surprising. They're not your weeks and numbers. Duh! Both the numbers and the reason why matter to me. As it should to anyone using the system. The better the system is understood, the better it can be utilized to achieve to the desired results. And, perhaps more importantly, critiqued for improvements - hmmmm, kinda like the 'enhancements' we've just witnessed, maybe?

[QUOTE When you become eligible for the sightings board...... QUOTE]

Are you being intentionally cryptic here? Ok, I'll bite. To what are you referring?

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

I have a week 50 that I deposited in January that has a trade power of 17. When I use the calculator to see what I could deposit it for now, the max is 14.

Steve, is that the subsequent year following the wk 50 you have already deposited that max's at 14? Is 14 also the "Current Value" on the tool?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Are you being intentionally cryptic here? Ok, I'll bite. To what are you referring?

The Sightings Board (known here as Ex Ops) is where members of this board post desireable exchanges that they see in their daily searches. Some are very dedicated and search and post every day.

You have to have so-many posts to be able to see and use Ex Ops Boards (one for RCI and one for II).

You see sightings if you start your visit here via New Posts.

[lawrence55 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close lawrence55]

Thanks for the info, JLB.

newbie

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

Thanks for the info, JLB.

newbie

It's worth sticking around and getting your posts up.
Very useful info for getting great trades.

Besides we like newbies.
Welcome.

[SteveChapin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SteveChapin]

Steve, is that the subsequent year following the wk 50 you have already deposited that max's at 14? Is 14 also the "Current Value" on the tool?

Already deposited week 50 2010: 17
Max value shown by calculator for week 50 2010: 14 (current value 8)
Max value shown by calculator for week 50 2011: 13

I mistakenly recalled the 2011 value as being 14.