How Many Came Out Ahead, & Vice Versa?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

To be clear on this, & according to the instructions in the OP, in order to select that you have come out ahead, you have looked at all of the exchanges you have made in the past, and you can still get all of them with just one deposit.

If there is any (just one) that you cannot, you should have replied to the negative, that you have come out behind.

Since you cannot change your selection, if that is the case with anyone, and you selected that you came out ahead, please post that.

Thanks.

[bellesgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bellesgirl]

JLB - when you book makes a difference. Just because you can't get the unit today, does not mean you will never get it. Maybe the original exchange was made close to the checkin when values fall. It is impossible to simulate every exchange we ever made, nor do most of us really care to try. I stand by my original vote - I can do it with one deposit.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

True.

Thus the wording in the OP:

"at the normal amount of time out that you have been confirming (excluding last minute stuff) "

PS: I can understand not caring to try, as we all are welcome to our own concerns.

But, it was easy to "simulate" more than 50 of our past exchanges. You just compare your maximum deposit credit with what it takes to get that same exchange now at the same time out. In lieu of actual available units, deposit credit for the exchanged-to week will do, although it is not 100% accurate (see below).

RCI has made the claim that you can now combine deposits to get exchanges that you previously could not, without making the claim that you may have to combine deposits to get what you previously could. There is not even an asterisk and fine print saying the latter. It should be alarming that for some so many previous exchanges now take more than one deposit.

This is important because everyone at some point has been sold on the idea that by purchasing a timeshare you can lock in future vacations at a fixed (m/l) cost. Everyone, m/l, made the decision to buy based on that premise. At the flick of a switch, perhaps that promise was breached.

So, far, it's running about 50/50, so it could be said that RCI's hype could be misleading, unfair, and deceptive.

Another unfairness which deserves an explanation, or correction, is why some exchanges take more points than the credit given for the same deposit, so that some cannot get their own week with their own week.

JMHO.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Interesting, when you search Exchange History, the trading power assigned to past exchanges is zero, until current ones (for us starting with last week).

. . . as if they did not want to reveal what trading power it took to get past exchanges, or, at the very least, to make it more difficult to see if you can still get the same exchanges with the same deposits.

Another interesting point, for the 99.9% of RCI members who are totally oblivious to stuff like this, like the ones I always talk to in the hot tub when we are down here, when they hear about the new system they are not happy campers. Even when I explain that there is a good possibility they may have come out ahead, because of what and where and when they own.

Of course, as I and others have demonstrated, for their particular situation, SW FL in Snowbird Season, they likely cannot get their own week with their own week.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

JLB - when you book makes a difference. Just because you can't get the unit today, does not mean you will never get it. Maybe the original exchange was made close to the checkin when values fall. It is impossible to simulate every exchange we ever made, nor do most of us really care to try. I stand by my original vote - I can do it with one deposit.

Not that you have to do anything you don't wanna do, but . . .

can you still get all of your previous exchanges with just one deposit?

Something simple . . . can you get your own deposit with your own deposit, maxxed?

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

There's always been a lot of talk about certain overbuilt areas . . . Orlando, Branson, Williamsburg, etc. . . . that should not be able to or would have problems trading into less-built, high demand areas.

But, here's an interesting comparison, trading into Branson with Branson, same week. We have a 2-bedroom Gold Crown that has a Max Trading Power of 22. Searching that same thing in the Branson area for 2011, first, there are no comparable exchanges available . . . all 2-bedrooms are at lesser quality resorts.

To get one of them for exactly the same week it would take 29, 26, 28, 24, 27, 26 and 24.

So, a better resort cannot get a lesser resort the same week!!!

I don't know how many of these examples it takes for some to see how unfair things are.

[bellesgirl Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bellesgirl]

Not that you have to do anything you don't wanna do, but . . .

can you still get all of your previous exchanges with just one deposit?

Something simple . . . can you get your own deposit with your own deposit, maxxed?

Yes I can get my own week back with change left over (although my week is not available right now, I did see it briefly).

[puppymommo Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close puppymommo]

Quote: Something simple . . . can you get your own deposit with your own deposit, maxxed?

Not as a single deposit. For my 2 bd week 29 lockout, the max I can get is
22. It takes 25 to exchange about 6 months out. If I deposit as 2 separate units and combine, I have plenty. But there's that $99 fee of course!

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Thanks.

Interesting that you can get your own deposit with your own deposit, but only after making it two deposits.

& it's good to see the consistency, and fairness, and equality . . . a very well thought-out and designed program.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Any more?

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

I think you have hit the nail on the head with the unwashed masses of t/s owners who do not visit online forums. From what I am hearing from resort managment and board members and resellers, there have been a lot of disgruntled members calling in, often wanting to get out of their timeshare, due to the imposition of Points Lite and their perception of loss of trading power. Since many have not figured out that anything has happened yet, they expect this to be a continuing process as more discover the changes. Many folks at the resorts are holding their breath over how many may decide not to pay m/f's.

Not only are blue owners fit to be tied, but so are white and pink, and for some resorts, dark reds.

From what I hear, I think many have gotten the idea when they discover this change to look at exchanges they have gotten in the past, and when they discover they could not get them under the new regime, they understandably get pissed off. Maybe that has something to do with RCI offering the special on membership extension.

Interesting, when you search Exchange History, the trading power assigned to past exchanges is zero, until current ones (for us starting with last week).

. . . as if they did not want to reveal what trading power it took to get past exchanges, or, at the very least, to make it more difficult to see if you can still get the same exchanges with the same deposits.

Another interesting point, for the 99.9% of RCI members who are totally oblivious to stuff like this, like the ones I always talk to in the hot tub when we are down here, when they hear about the new system they are not happy campers. Even when I explain that there is a good possibility they may have come out ahead, because of what and where and when they own.

Of course, as I and others have demonstrated, for their particular situation, SW FL in Snowbird Season, they likely cannot get their own week with their own week.

[Carolinian Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close Carolinian]

RCI has obviously taken lessons from Marriot about skimming, the scoundrels.

There's always been a lot of talk about certain overbuilt areas . . . Orlando, Branson, Williamsburg, etc. . . . that should not be able to or would have problems trading into less-built, high demand areas.

But, here's an interesting comparison, trading into Branson with Branson, same week. We have a 2-bedroom Gold Crown that has a Max Trading Power of 22. Searching that same thing in the Branson area for 2011, first, there are no comparable exchanges available . . . all 2-bedrooms are at lesser quality resorts.

To get one of them for exactly the same week it would take 29, 26, 28, 24, 27, 26 and 24.

So, a better resort cannot get a lesser resort the same week!!!

I don't know how many of these examples it takes for some to see how unfair things are.

[chriskre Super Moderator Find all posts View Profile Close chriskre]

.............. From what I am hearing from resort managment and board members and resellers,

From what I hear, ...........

Just curious Carolinian, how do you hear from all these resort managers, board members and resellers?

Are you a TS reseller?
You sure seem to have lots of friends in the TS business.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

From what I hear, I think many have gotten the idea when they discover this change to look at exchanges they have gotten in the past, and when they discover they could not get them under the new regime, they understandably get pissed off.

I find it strange how some find it offensive, or a bother, or whatever you wanna call it, to check to see if they have been screwed or not, if they can, or can't, still get everything they have gotten in the past with one deposit.

Sure, anyone can do, or not do, anything they want to, or don't wanna do.

But, I find it strange that some who are in the know don't seem to wanna know this particular thing.

What's the sentiment OY? Do some there not wanna know, too?
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All of us, at some point, were told that owning a timeshare is a method to lock in future vacation costs. That was assuming one deposit gets one exchange. That was the implied promise and there never was even a hint of a notion that would not always be the case.

That's not true anymore, likely for millions who believed what they were told, and bought based on that. No one ever asked if we wanted to opt into anything else, or offered compensation for opting out of timeshares they devalued.

The is Points system for those who preferred that, which is a choice. But, there was no choice for Weeks members.

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Just curious Carolinian, how do you hear from all these resort managers, board members and resellers?

Are you a TS reseller?
You sure seem to have lots of friends in the TS business.

Some here have longer, and deeper, involvements in timesharing.