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    Having searched SW FL every day since you could, Spring, 1997, and having recorded them for many years, here's some stuff that is not as represented:

    The Exchange Planner on the Managing Your Deposits page shows the following for SW FL (Southern Gulf Coastal):

    Average Trading Power Needed:

    Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Month-Year  
    Average Historical Exchange Trading Power
    19 20 20 20 19 20 19 19 18 19 18 19

    Points need translate to money, much more than just exchange and combine fees, because the greatest expense is the annual maintenance fee. From what I've been told, 18-20 is an average deposit value, so an average deposit should be to get an average exchange to SW FL in January, based on what is being represented.

    I am not the only one who searches for SW FL in January, and anyone who does can tell you that is simply not true. Period.

    Marco Resort & Club, the worst ranked of 52 resorts in SW FL has been 34. After the 11/10 Dehancement, the first thing available for January, 2012, was a studio at a poorly rated FMB resort, for 29.

    We have stayed at another lesser, old, motel-conversion resort, Sea Oats Beach Club, for the last three Januarys, two week this year, all on one-for-one exchanges with deposit now valued at 19. From what is being represented, we still should be able to trade into it one-for-one. But, as posted by Lawren: Sea Oats Beach Club Englewood FL Jan 14 & 28 2012
    Exchange Trading Power 25.

    So, some of the worst rated resorts in the Region, and the only ones to be available, have been much higher than is represented.

    There is some evidence in that last couple of weeks that that is being corrected, largely, I believe, because a few folks are tryting to hold them to their word.

    As I have said, all it would take to shut me up is to let us have the same thing we have been getting for 20 years, and for the last 11 years with the same deposits. Now I see they say we should be.
    - - - - - -

    Another thing someone else is pointing out is Last Minute Exchanges, fka the 45-Day Window, or, more realistic, the 14-Day Window. Regarding this, to be fair the Points required to get an exchange should be no more than the points given for making the same deposit (if that was not the case a person could not get their own week with their own deposit).

    Here is the Deposit Adjustment Schedule:

    < 14 days 45%
    15 - 30 days 60%
    31 - 90 days 80%
    91 - 180 days 90%
    181 - 275 days 95%
    276+ days 100%

    Based on that, and the claim that a January exchange in SW FL should average 19, at 14 days an exchange into an average resort there should be 8.55. Repeatedly, LM Exchanges into that area require much higher amounts. Today there is one posted in the Ex Ops for 21.

    To really be fair, the worst deposit should be able to get any exchange 14 days out or closer, as has always been the case. There is no reason why in Weeks Points that should not still be the case. We have a deposit, a 2-bedroom Gold Crown with a $625 annual fee, that still could get an exchange for 8.55.

    If the Points program was what it is being represented to be, instead of saying one thing, and doing another, the discontent would be less.
    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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    Right from the word 'GO', the Exchange Planner made no sense to me at all. The numbers listed did not seem to relate to reality, either the past nor the present, let alone the future. In addition, the data presented was so broad as to be useless for any type of real exchange planning. I looked at it the first few times, and have ignored it ever since, as a waste of my time and seriously misleading at best.

    RCI works well for me, in HUGE great part due to the wealth of information I learned here and OY. But I do see and am often frustrated by parts that do not work well, and there are indeed many of them. Or by 'features' that are clearly not any such thing, such as the Exchange Planner. I can only assume that it's some type of 'propaganda' designed to further lure the unknowledgable into believing in possible exchanges when they really do not exist. It is a low trick of RCI's. IMHO.

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    • #3
      Tell it like it is, or don't tell it at all.

      1. If they say "Now you can combine deposits to get exchanges that you previously could not," which they say to hype Weeks Points, they should also say, "Some exchanges you have gotten in the past may now take more than one deposit." In our case, truth in advertising would be "you cannot now get any of the exchanges you have gotten in the last ten years with one deposit."

      2. Give those depositing the same credit for depositing as they are charging for exchanges.

      3. Charge the same amount for Exchanges as the Trading Power Adjustment Schedule gives for depositing.

      4. Charge somewhere close to the amounts in the Exchange Planner. Like, if it says 19, don't charge 34 for the worst resort of 52 in the area.

      If Weeks Points was what they claim it to be, y'all would have been spared having to listen to me. But it's not.
      RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JLB View Post
        Having searched SW FL every day since you could, Spring, 1997, and having recorded them for many years, here's some stuff that is not as represented:

        The Exchange Planner on the Managing Your Deposits page shows the following for SW FL (Southern Gulf Coastal):

        Average Trading Power Needed:

        Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Month-Year  
        Average Historical Exchange Trading Power
        19 20 20 20 19 20 19 19 18 19 18 19

        Points need translate to money, much more than just exchange and combine fees, because the greatest expense is the annual maintenance fee. From what I've been told, 18-20 is an average deposit value, so an average deposit should be to get an average exchange to SW FL in January, based on what is being represented.

        I am not the only one who searches for SW FL in January, and anyone who does can tell you that is simply not true. Period.

        Marco Resort & Club, the worst ranked of 52 resorts in SW FL has been 34. After the 11/10 Dehancement, the first thing available for January, 2012, was a studio at a poorly rated FMB resort, for 29.

        We have stayed at another lesser, old, motel-conversion resort, Sea Oats Beach Club, for the last three Januarys, two week this year, all on one-for-one exchanges with deposit now valued at 19. From what is being represented, we still should be able to trade into it one-for-one. But, as posted by Lawren: Sea Oats Beach Club Englewood FL Jan 14 & 28 2012
        Exchange Trading Power 25.

        So, some of the worst rated resorts in the Region, and the only ones to be available, have been much higher than is represented.

        There is some evidence in that last couple of weeks that that is being corrected, largely, I believe, because a few folks are tryting to hold them to their word.

        As I have said, all it would take to shut me up is to let us have the same thing we have been getting for 20 years, and for the last 11 years with the same deposits. Now I see they say we should be.
        - - - - - -

        Another thing someone else is pointing out is Last Minute Exchanges, fka the 45-Day Window, or, more realistic, the 14-Day Window. Regarding this, to be fair the Points required to get an exchange should be no more than the points given for making the same deposit (if that was not the case a person could not get their own week with their own deposit).

        Here is the Deposit Adjustment Schedule:

        < 14 days 45%
        15 - 30 days 60%
        31 - 90 days 80%
        91 - 180 days 90%
        181 - 275 days 95%
        276+ days 100%

        Based on that, and the claim that a January exchange in SW FL should average 19, at 14 days an exchange into an average resort there should be 8.55. Repeatedly, LM Exchanges into that area require much higher amounts. Today there is one posted in the Ex Ops for 21.

        To really be fair, the worst deposit should be able to get any exchange 14 days out or closer, as has always been the case. There is no reason why in Weeks Points that should not still be the case. We have a deposit, a 2-bedroom Gold Crown with a $625 annual fee, that still could get an exchange for 8.55.

        If the Points program was what it is being represented to be, instead of saying one thing, and doing another, the discontent would be less.
        Marco Resort and Club (#1861) 1 available units
        Marco Island
        FL, 34145
        USA
        map resort Available Unit Size
        1 Bedroom
        Check-In Date
        31-Mar-2012
        Exchange Trading Power
        34
        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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        • #5
          Points Lite is indeed quite scammy. The worst thing is RCI's skimming by routinely giving fewer points lite for a deposit in many resorts than it takes at the very same time to trade into that resort. That is dishonest with a capital D!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
            Points Lite is indeed quite scammy. The worst thing is RCI's skimming by routinely giving fewer points lite for a deposit in many resorts than it takes at the very same time to trade into that resort. That is dishonest with a capital D!
            I know it's redundant, but some don't seem to understand it . . . if you can't get your own deposit with your own deposit, scam seems to be the only explanation.

            For 21 years I have always held that although RCI tends to bumble around, one hand not knowing what the other was doing, the intentions were good, and eventually they would get around to doing what was right. In specific personal situations that has almost always been the case.

            I don't know about now. There are so many unfairnesses in Weeks Points, there should have been some oversight, and there is no opt-out, that one has to wonder about intent.
            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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            • #7
              Jmho

              It has occurred to me that RCI is trying to "clean house" so to speak. "Paying" out more/less points to some than exchange-in value to get short term primetime weeks in the door and hiking values up and hoping that many of the low value weeks owners will pay the combo fee and use up the glut of old weeks that remain on the books.

              I say short term for a few reasons, one of which is the extreme overcharge on what they are considering springbreak weeks, summer weeks and prime locations in 2011. Reference the insane <14 day check-in exchange values I have posted multiple times in exchange opportunities as well as any of the "prime" schools out weeks or Manhattan Club in January and February for 60 Trading Power Units.

              Similar summer weeks in 2012 seem to be more in reach of mere mortals.

              This has to be driven by the bottom line. In most cases where there is theft and there is clear evidence that it is, follow the money.
              Lawren
              ------------------------
              There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
              - Rolf Kopfle

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              • #8
                I also have to believe that in this period when they are being watched, legally, they being watched, legally.
                RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by JLB View Post
                  The Exchange Planner on the Managing Your Deposits page shows the following for SW FL (Southern Gulf Coastal):

                  Average Trading Power Needed:

                  Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Month-Year  
                  Average Historical Exchange Trading Power
                  19 20 20 20 19 20 19 19 18 19 18 19

                  Marco Resort & Club, the worst ranked of 52 resorts in SW FL has been 34. After the 11/10 Dehancement, the first thing available for January, 2012, was a studio at a poorly rated FMB resort, for 29.

                  We have stayed at another lesser, old, motel-conversion resort, Sea Oats Beach Club, for the last three Januarys, two week this year, all on one-for-one exchanges with deposit now valued at 19. From what is being represented, we still should be able to trade into it one-for-one. But, as posted by Lawren: Sea Oats Beach Club Englewood FL Jan 14 & 28 2012
                  Exchange Trading Power 25.

                  So, some of the worst rated resorts in the Region, and the only ones to be available, have been much higher than is represented.
                  Another of the worst rated SW FL resorts:

                  Charlotte Bay Resort and Club (#5107) 1 available units
                  Charlotte Harbor
                  FL, 33980
                  USA
                  map resort Available Unit Size
                  2 Bedroom
                  Check-In Date
                  31-Mar-2012
                  Exchange Trading Power
                  30
                  - - - - - -
                  Marco Resort and Club (#1861) 1 available units
                  Marco Island
                  FL, 34145
                  USA
                  map resort Available Unit Size
                  1 Bedroom
                  Check-In Date
                  02-Apr-2011
                  Exchange Trading Power
                  34
                  -- - - - -
                  Marco Resort and Club (#1861) 1 available units
                  Marco Island
                  FL, 34145
                  USA
                  map resort Available Unit Size
                  1 Bedroom
                  Check-In Date
                  31-Mar-2012
                  Exchange Trading Power
                  34
                  RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                  • #10
                    The deception continues on Page 75 of the Spring, 2011 Endless Vacation.

                    In explaining how to search for an exchange, they give two examples, both of them giving deposit credits back after making an exchange. Still, no mention that some exchanges that used be available for one deposit no longer are, or what the real cost to the subscriber would be in that scenario.

                    (even in the very small, magnifying-glass size fine print)

                    But, it's consistent to the way Weeks Points has been presented so far.

                    Also, consistent with the way RCI has always been promoted . . . presenting things in such a manner that one has to find out for themselves, after the fact, how things really are. That has not changed over the years.

                    Again, just tell it like it is.

                    Oh yeah . . . I'm wrong about this.
                    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                    • #11
                      I'm thinking since you hate RCI so much maybe you ought to tell them to shove it. Since you've done so many trades it just aggravates you to death when they do something you don't like maybe if you told them to take a jump you could learn to relax and enjoy life once more. (Unless you don't want to relax) shaggy

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                      • #12
                        Oh, did you see me not relaxing? Where was I? What was I doing?

                        I was thinking a little while ago, trying to think of a consumer advocate who is/was not a pain in the ass.

                        Can't think of one.

                        When I first came to Internet timeshare forums, quite awhile back now, some told me about someone they considered to be a pain in the ass way back then, for the way he told it like it is/was.

                        Carolinian Steve!

                        Hmmmmmmm!

                        Have a nice day, and I hope you're relaxing.
                        RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                        • #13
                          Anyone else, besides me, just relaxing this afternoon?
                          RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JLB View Post
                            Having searched SW FL every day since you could, Spring, 1997, and having recorded them for many years, here's some stuff that is not as represented:

                            The Exchange Planner on the Managing Your Deposits page shows the following for SW FL (Southern Gulf Coastal):

                            Average Trading Power Needed:

                            Month Jan  
                            Average Historical Exchange Trading Power 19
                            Worst Rated Resort in SW FL:
                            1 Bedroom 4 (2) Full Sat 21-Jan-2012 Sat 28-Jan-2012 Exchange Fee 34
                            1 Bedroom 4 (2) Full Sat 28-Jan-2012 Sat 04-Feb-2012 Exchange Fee 34

                            Another Poorly Rated Resort in SW FL:
                            2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 14-Jan-2012 Sat 21-Jan-2012 Exchange Fee 30
                            RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JLB View Post
                              Average Trading Power Needed:

                              Mar Average Historical Exchange Trading Power 20
                              Poorly Rated Resort:
                              2 Bedrooms 6 (6) Full Sat 31-Mar-2012 Sat 07-Apr-2012 Exchange Fee 30
                              RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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