Exchanging Exchanges Surprise

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

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And thus something that was arguably gray becomes a decided negative as a result of postings about the issue here or OY. Won't be the first time it's happened.

In this case, if the first post is accurate...something that was grey and assumed to be a negative...has become a decided positive and is no longer part of the grey area....seems like its a good thing it was discussed in public

grey is a bad thing when it comes to a business...it leads to long legal battles that never end well for anyone...this is why things like Terms of Use and Terms & Conditions are posted to keep as little grey as possible

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

For those wondering what I am trying to do, I am trying to make sure the person who said two members could swap confirmed exchanges really meant that and really understands what that really means, RCI giving up control over a vacation interval before it is used.

Yes, I want to make sure the person saying that has the authority to say it, and that someone actually doing what we are asking about doesn't wind up in RCI doo doo.

Today's response headed in the wrong direction, almost of avoidance.

Maybe it will get bounced up to a higher level.

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

Can you please post the conversation up to now...so we know what you know?

I feel like your completely overlooking Guest Certificates when your talking about RCI Controlling the weeks

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

After 20-plus years, I know when I have reached their limit, which I have now. It has deterioriated to avoidance:



Original Message Follows: ------------------------

So, what is the answer?

Yes, two members can trade confirmed exchanges with each other, per your
message of June 13, or

No, nothing in excess of the exchange fee and guest certificate fee can
be given for an exchange,
even another exchange vacation, per the statement from five years ago.
- - - - -

Hello,

Thank you for your e-mail.

If you will give me the account numbers to which you are referring and
the specific exchange confirmations, I can more definitely answer your
question.

Kind Regards,

Customer Communications Specialist
RCI North America

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

I guess the answer is they will look at your account and determine case by case.

Which surprising, is very consistent all these years.

Jya-Ning

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

I guess the answer is they will look at your account and determine case by case.

Which surprising, is very consistent all these years.

Jya-Ning

Seems to me that the first answer was the final answer...everything beyond that was just the CSR trying to get JLB to stop emailing them But i'm sure everything with RCI is dealt with on a case by case basis...from guest certificates to exchange values..

Hello,

Thank you for your e-mail.

There is nothing wrong with two members "exchanging their
confirmations." You would just need to have the member request a Guest
Certificate for the units into which they would not actually be
checking-in.

Kind Regards,

(Someone)
Customer Communications Specialist
RCI North America

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

I guess the answer is they will look at your account and determine case by case.

Which surprising, is very consistent all these years.

Jya-Ning

Yes. They can maintain their flexibility that way.

During our back and forth, they mentioned the reason for the non-commercial policy, that RCI is not to be used as a business, and we all know that it was exactly that by a very few, the flagrant securing and reselling of prime weeks, that led to enforcement to begin with.

We know they used to enforce selectively, looking the other way for those not violating it frequently.

But, now we appear to be back to where we were many years ago . . . violate the policy and find out if it will be enforced against you.

My job is done here, now that have taken a clear policy and made it murky.

[Jya-Ning Silver Contributor Find all posts View Profile Close Jya-Ning]

Seems to me that the first answer was the final answer...

If you have not yet realize, both yours and his are the final answers . And both are corrected. JLB's is getting a response to a generic loose end policy check up. Yours is a response to a specific account determination even if you have never done any of that.

Jya-Ning

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

If you have not yet realize, both yours and his are the final answers . And both are corrected. JLB's is getting a response to a generic loose end policy check up. Yours is a response to a specific account determination even if you have never done any of that.

Jya-Ning

Twice now they have asked me for specific accounts, saying that they will take a look at it, even after I said I was asking for policy clarification for an Internet forum.

That is what led me to believe enforcement will be selective, say like one policy for a new member doing it right off the git-go, and another for a 20-plus year member with 120-plus exchanges, and no pattern of violation (whoever that might be).

[Fern Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fern]

Try Reading Carefully

I *did* write you a BBS response explaining who Madge was and the whole backstory of how she came to be a TUG poster. You either missed it or delight in still characterizing her as "a secretary or even a janitor for RCI." I don't type well anymore, and due to limitations it takes me forever, so I won't repost what I wrote. You can search for it if you want. Steve Nelson (T.R.Oglodyte) hit the high points.

Fern

See i'm not sure that the view has changed...all his quotes are from Madge, who as far as we know was a secretary or even a janitor for RCI i don't remember an official post outlining her job title...At most she was a customer communications specialist ...like those answering his questions now...taking her posts as any more fact worthy then the emails we are getting...IMO is not very well thought out thing to do

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

I *did* write you a BBS response explaining who Madge was and the whole backstory of how she came to be a TUG poster. You either missed it or delight in still characterizing her as "a secretary or even a janitor for RCI." I don't type well anymore, and due to limitations it takes me forever, so I won't repost what I wrote. You can search for it if you want. Steve Nelson (T.R.Oglodyte) hit the high points.

Fern

I can't find that post....Where was it posted to?

[Fern Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fern]

:::sigh::: I guess I gotta do all the work. It was here. You saw it, because you responded to the second part of the post. So you either chose not to remember the part about Madge because it didn't suit your purposes or you are forgetting things at a mighty young age.

And I'm spending way too much time feeding you. You could have searched for this yourself. I just hit "advanced search" and put in Madge for the term searched for and Fern for the poster. Turned up in about a minute. Isn't search wonderful?

Done.

Fern

[Ridewithme38 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ridewithme38]

:::sigh::: I guess I gotta do all the work. It was here. You saw it, because you responded to the second part of the post. So you either chose not to remember the part about Madge because it didn't suit your purposes or you are forgetting things at a mighty young age.

And I'm spending way too much time feeding you. You could have searched for this yourself. I just hit "advanced search" and put in Madge for the term searched for and Fern for the poster. Turned up in about a minute. Isn't search wonderful?

Done.

Fern

I get this message

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Are you a moderator? i don't know why i don't have access

[JLB Please excuse me, I'm a Dick. Not a moron just a Dick Find all posts View Profile Close JLB]

Twice now they have asked me for specific accounts, saying that they will take a look at it, even after I said I was asking for policy clarification for an Internet forum.

That is what led me to believe enforcement will be selective, say like one policy for a new member doing it right off the git-go, and another for a 20-plus year member with 120-plus exchanges, and no pattern of violation (whoever that might be).

It occurs to me that as us OFs know, RCI prefers vagueness, thus the evasiveness once I asked if they really meant what they said. It occurs to me this is a reason why they discontinued their question-answering presence on the Internet, because stated answers are exactly that, and remove doubt, and cause problems when vagueness is preferred.

JMHO

[fantasyjack Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close fantasyjack]

After reading everything posted, seems to me like High risk/low reward.