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  • London Olympics - UK screwed yet again on RCI valuations

    Take a location that is one of the most difficult to trade into in timeshare anywhere in the world any time of the year, and add a major international event like the Olympics scheduled in that area. Common sense would tell you that the trading power of timeshares in that area would skyrocket during that event, would it?

    Well, not so with the London Olympics in 2012, at least as to the numbers of TPU's or points lite awarded by RCI for deposits.

    Allen House, right in central London, for example is given only 46 points lite for a deposit during the Olympics for a 1BR or 51 points lite for a 2BR. For the 1BR, this is the same for that week in 2013 when the Olympics are not in town, and only 2 points lite different for the 2BR.

    Given that Hever Hotel and Country Club and Brantridge Park appear to no longer be with RCI (Brantridge had wound up and sold to a new developer but had then reappeared in the RCI directory; now its ID comes up as invalid), the only RCI resort outside London that would be close enought to use as a base for the Olympics would be Broome Park. For the weeks of the Olympics, RCI only gives 27 points lite for a 1BR deposit or 28 points lite for a 2BR deposit. The 1BR is the same as for non-Olympic year 2012, and the 2BR is only 1 point lite different.

    London is an extremely difficult trade any time. I don't ever think I have ever seen a London week availible online at RCI. In comparision, New York in the US is relatively plentiful, with 44 different weeks presently availible at Manhattan Club, for which RCI charges 58 points lite for a studio or 60 points lite for a 1BR, even in the dead of winter. So if you gave RCI your 2BR Allen House week during the Olympics, they would not even give you enough points lite to get you a trade into a Manhattan Club studio in February. Two Broome Park 2BR's during the Olympics would still leave you without enought points lite to get one studio in Manhattan Club in February.

    Let me give another comparision. An RCI employee who used to post on several timeshare sites identified Vacation Village at Parkway in Orlando as the resort in the whole RCI system with consistently the most oversupply. RCI gives 49 points lite for a deposit of week 52 there of a 1BR, more than it gives for deposit of a 1BR at Allen House during the Olympics and nearly twice what it gives for a deposit of a 1BR at Broome Park during the Olympics. While week 52 is New Years, it is not that rare at Vacation Village at Parkway. RCI currently has them availible to trade into, and for a lot less than they give for the deposit. They are presently availible to trade into for only 19 points lite, far less than the 49 that the owners were awarded to deposit them. One could compare what such an owner of one of these overvalued weeks could trade into during the Olympics, but that would only be theoretical since RCI almost certainly would use any deposits they receive for those Olympic weeks to rent out for big bucks to the general public, not offer them to RCI members for exchange.

    Any timesharer who runs comparisions like this can quickly see that RCI's valuation schemes are very discriminatory against UK owners. It only makes sense to use exchange companies which treat UK owners more fairly.

    If 60 is the top of the valuation scale, then any week close enough to use for the London Olympics should certainly be worth 60 points lite. Heck, there are weeks in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina at resorts so far from the actual beach that it is necessary to get in a car and drive to the beach which get 60 points lite for a deposit.

  • #2
    Do you think that maybe the riots may have an affect on the demand for timeshares in London?
    John

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    • #3
      Originally posted by JWC
      Do you think that maybe the riots may have an affect on the demand for timeshares in London?
      No, because the RCI numbers have not changed. I looked at these resorts a couple of months ago for summer weeks, before the riots and the numbers were similar. I did not connect the Olympics dates then, and considered it low even without thinking about the Olympics. Other than ACC basketball, I am not a huge sports fan, but once I made the connection on dates, I went to check it out. Also, Paris had more prolonged riots and that really had only a short term impact on tourism, certainly not impacting major international events as the Olympics will be.

      And as to timeshare exchange more specifically, if people were cancelling London and demand was way down, there would be a unique phenomenon - London availibility actually appearing online at RCI. That has not happened, so, no London timeshare demand has clearly not taken any significant hit. It still far outstrips supply. If anyone does cancel for that reason, there are still plenty of people in line with requests that the weeks get snapped up immediately, something that does not happen with NYC and certainly not with Orlando.

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      • #4
        Also explains why I haven't seen an Allen House ex-op in more years than I can count on one hand. Wait, now that I think about it. 3 or maybe 4 downgrades ago things were especially weird and one was there and a forum member got it.

        But one in over 5 years of looking is fairly rare.
        Lawren
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        There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
        - Rolf Kopfle

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Carolinian View Post
          No, because the RCI numbers have not changed. I looked at these resorts a couple of months ago for summer weeks, before the riots and the numbers were similar. I did not connect the Olympics dates then, and considered it low even without thinking about the Olympics. Other than ACC basketball, I am not a huge sports fan, but once I made the connection on dates, I went to check it out. Also, Paris had more prolonged riots and that really had only a short term impact on tourism, certainly not impacting major international events as the Olympics will be.

          And as to timeshare exchange more specifically, if people were cancelling London and demand was way down, there would be a unique phenomenon - London availibility actually appearing online at RCI. That has not happened, so, no London timeshare demand has clearly not taken any significant hit. It still far outstrips supply. If anyone does cancel for that reason, there are still plenty of people in line with requests that the weeks get snapped up immediately, something that does not happen with NYC and certainly not with Orlando.
          The valuation of 58-60TPU for The Manhattan Club, even in freezing February, combined with the 1-in-4 rule will have those Manhattan Clubs sitting there for almost forever.

          RCI wants people to pay for Platinum and then they can get Affinia for half that price.
          Lawren
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          There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
          - Rolf Kopfle

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          • #6
            They haven't stinted on the rental rates though.

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            Lawren
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            There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
            - Rolf Kopfle

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            • #7
              PS You know what an Allen House depositer would get but not how much RCI would charge to exchange for that unit. It could very well be 60+. IE A Manhattan Club owner deposits a studio 4/2 week 26 for 2012 and only receives 51TP. It cost 58 to exchange in. Studio 4 (2) Partial Sat 30-Jun-2012 Sat 07-Jul-2012 Exchange Fee 58
              Lawren
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              There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
              - Rolf Kopfle

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              • #8
                I am not all that familiar with either of these, so do not know what the availability is at the Affinia. However with all these Manhattan Clubs available, instead of raising the TPU's why don't they just make them a platinum option only?

                Originally posted by lawren2
                The valuation of 58-60TPU for The Manhattan Club, even in freezing February, combined with the 1-in-4 rule will have those Manhattan Clubs sitting there for almost forever.

                RCI wants people to pay for Platinum and then they can get Affinia for half that price.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gandalf252002
                  I am not all that familiar with either of these, so do not know what the availability is at the Affinia. However with all these Manhattan Clubs available, instead of raising the TPU's why don't they just make them a platinum option only?
                  You want it to make sense?
                  Lawren
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                  There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
                  - Rolf Kopfle

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                  • #10
                    Not at all the response I was expecting. I figured there had to be a logical explanation but I guess this time I was wrong. Guess maybe I am learning more than I thought!

                    Originally posted by lawren2
                    You want it to make sense?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lawren2
                      The valuation of 58-60TPU for The Manhattan Club, even in freezing February, combined with the 1-in-4 rule will have those Manhattan Clubs sitting there for almost forever.

                      RCI wants people to pay for Platinum and then they can get Affinia for half that price.
                      The Manhattan Club is pretty easy to get through SFX and there is no 1 in 4 rule. Also SFX exchangers don't pay the resort fees charged to RCI exchangers.

                      I don't now why so many people only think of the Manhattan Club for NYC. We have exchanged into the Manhattan Club, HGVC West 57th Street, and the Hilton Vacation Club on 6th Avenue. We far prefer the Hilton Vacation Club and the Manhattan Club is our least favorite. We can go as often as we want to any of them.
                      John

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by JWC View Post
                        The Manhattan Club is pretty easy to get through SFX and there is no 1 in 4 rule. Also SFX exchangers don't pay the resort fees charged to RCI exchangers.

                        I don't now why so many people only think of the Manhattan Club for NYC. We have exchanged into the Manhattan Club, HGVC West 57th Street, and the Hilton Vacation Club on 6th Avenue. We far prefer the Hilton Vacation Club and the Manhattan Club is our least favorite. We can go as often as we want to any of them.
                        I appreciate that and I often refer people to SFX but that statement has nothing to do with what is being discussed here John.
                        Lawren
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                        There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
                        - Rolf Kopfle

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lawren2 View Post
                          I appreciate that and I often refer people to SFX but that statement has nothing to do with what is being discussed here John.
                          NYC and the Manhattan Club was brought into the discussion by others. I am simply pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to RCI. That goes for London as well where SFX is very active as well.

                          You have been on these forums long enough to know that they never follow the script.
                          John

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JWC
                            NYC and the Manhattan Club was brought into the discussion by others. I am simply pointing out that people don't have to be slaves to RCI. That goes for London as well where SFX is very active as well.

                            You have been on these forums long enough to know that they never follow the script.
                            Yes, long enough to know that if any thread were to bring up Manhattan Club in anyway for any reason you would come on by and post how you don't care for the place but can easily get it from SFX.
                            Lawren
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                            There are many wonderful places in the world, but one of my favourite places is on the back of my horse.
                            - Rolf Kopfle

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by gandalf252002
                              I am not all that familiar with either of these, so do not know what the availability is at the Affinia. However with all these Manhattan Clubs available, instead of raising the TPU's why don't they just make them a platinum option only?
                              If by "them" you mean Manhattan Club, there actually is a (sort of) logical explanation: according to RCI, Platinum stuff is non-timeshare inventory RCI obtains thru other means such as rentals - not member deposits.

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