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    For those who were not around for the maturation of RCI, so don't understand why some of those who were are like we are, here's an example.

    Originally, in reprimanding timeshare owners/RCI subscribers who were obtaining exchanges and selling them to the public, RCI's reasoning was that individuals were securing the better deposits, depriving other members from them. That skewed the SpaceBank, Trading Power, agreements with Affiliates, etc., and was unfair to other members. SpaceBank deposits were to be used exclusively by RCI subscribers.

    Even after immersing themselves, headfirst, into the deep end of rentals, attempting to become a world leader in vacation rentals, using SpaceBank deposits to do so, they still clinged to that rhetoric, while, obviously, violating it themselves. Also obvious is the fact that the arguments for not allowing Members/Subscribers to rent deposits or exchanges are the same arguments for them not doing so.


    The following is from well after they began renting SpaceBank deposits to the public:

    RCI's Policy Prohibiting Rental/Sale of Deposits/Exchanges - Timeshare Users Group Online Community Forums

    It is a violation of RCI's Terms and Conditions of Membership (Section 8) to rent, sell, barter, or auction, a deposited week or confirmed exchange, even if a Guest Certificate is purchased. Violation of this guideline could result in the termination of your RCI membership.

    You may give a vacation to a friend or family member via the RCI Guest Certificate; however, you may not receive any compensation beyond the price of the exchange and Guest Certificate fees. Compensation includes anything of value, even another exchange vacation.

    Following are a few of the reasons RCI prohibits deposited weeks and exchange vacations from being sold:

    1) Accurate representation of Trading Power value -- RCI has contracts with its affiliated resorts and is in a better position to influence information provided about its program.

    2) Fair exchange policy - RCI's program strives to provide a vacation that is comparable to the one you own. If members buy a deposited week from a resort they've never visited, RCI has no way to gauge their expectations.

    3) Support for timeshare sales and purchases -- Most people who want higher quality vacation exchanges invest in the purchase of higher quality weeks. When these weeks are deposited with RCI, they in turn provide exchange families with a better selection and quality of inventory from which to choose. Travelers would not be incented to upgrade their purchases if they could simply buy the "interest" for a fraction of the purchase price per year.

    4) The demand among RCI members for certain areas and times of year is overwhelming (school breaks, holidays, etc.) This is magnified when non-members can compete for the same space.

    If you can't use a confimed exchange, cancel it and make the unit available to other RCI members who may be requesting it. When members rent or swap confirmed exchanges, they undermine RCI's program to the detriment of other members. If a member is waiting for a vacation, he would indeed be upset to think that prime exchange units were being offered to the general public or traded among friends instead of being released.

    RCI works hard to keep its exchange program viable and to satisfy its subscribing members. Maintaining control of our inventory is crucial to our ability to do this.


    FWIW, I believe the legal community abhores putting stuff in writing, and that it is statements like this one, obviously living on, that did in Madge.
    RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

  • #2
    You should have named this thread HISTORICALLY INCORRECT DATA!

    It's always bothered me that you guys don't actually read the RCI rules to confirm what one member from years ago mentioned in passing...HALF of that just isn't against ANY rci rules...i wish Madge had researched this information before putting it out instead of just using her bias opinion...sometimes it just seemed like she was pulling stuff completely out of her, well, thin air

    You've confirmed that yourself JLB when you spoke to an RCI rep and they said it was fine to exchange exchanges, even though Madge during her never ending guessing games seems to imply that it isn't in that post

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    • #3
      Here's some information i and others pointed out in the last thread straight from the RCI Site:

      From Section 1:
      C. The Program may not be used by a Member or guest for commercial purposes, including without limitation, auction, rental or sale of a Confirmed Exchange, Deposited Vacation Time, Inventory, Guest Certificate, for example. Such use is grounds for immediate termination of Member’s membership and cancellation of any reservations, exchanges, or other benefits of the Program
      .

      From Section 17:
      Subject to RCI’s approval, a Member may transfer the right to seek a Confirmed Exchange for Deposited Vacation Time. Combined Deposits or Deposit Credits to another existing Member, if the transferring Member a) submits to RCI a completed Vacation Time Transfer Application, by mail or facsimile; b) pays the applicable fee, listed on RCI’s website at www.rci.com, for each such transfer.; and c) the transferring Member represents to RCI that the Member is not transferring the Deposited Vacation Time in return for compensation.
      From Section 20:
      D. Guest Certificates and Guest Passes may not be used for any commercial purpose, including without limitation auction, rental or sale. Their use is subject to any conditions, restrictions or limitations which may be imposed by the Affiliated Resort or Accommodating Party.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JLB
        Is everyone who needs to be under cover, say an underground shelter, for the anticipated barrage this will bring?
        Hello,

        Thank you for your e-mail.

        There is nothing wrong with two members "exchanging their
        confirmations." You would just need to have the member request a Guest
        Certificate for the units into which they would not actually be
        checking-in.

        Kind Regards,

        (Someone)
        Customer Communications Specialist
        RCI North America

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        • #5
          Ride, I can well remember the days when RCI was a great exchange company, and indeed had the best exchange system that has ever been created for timeshare. That was, of course, back before Cendent (now Wyndham) bought them. In those days, I would not have even dreamed of using anyone else for timeshare exchange or suggesting anyone use a competitor. Unfortunately, those days are gone. Cendant and its succesor have beeen steadily chipping away at the great system that its founder, Chrystal deHahn, created. The rentals to the public have queered the system more than anything else. At the Timeshare Stripped Bare conference in the UK last year, for example, one major developer pointed out that RCI rentals were not only seriously hurting his sales but even hurting owner retention.

          I was the first to flag RCI moving to rentals OY, first pointing out language they used when they first rolled out GPN (the early name of RCI Points) that could have any other rational meaning, although a number of die-hard RCI defenders OY certainly tried to come up with other meanings. Events proved my interpretations were correct. Then RCI sent a letter to HOA's from one of its top execs that I also posted verbatim OY where they said they were going to ''use their position as a market leader'' to ''take timeshare to the mass market'', which again I pointed out could mean nothing but rentals to the general public. Some of the RCI defenders tried to claim that rentals were not exchange deposits or were only off season weeks, but the rental experiences of members OY showed that they were high season and were exchange deposits. RCI employee Bootleg, who posted both here and OY confirmed that many prime weeks that were exchange deposits were in fact being immediately diverted by RCI to its rental pool.

          I don't have too much time left on the cheap multi-year SA membership to RCI I bought, but when that runs out, I will let my membership lapse. I have found too many good options using DAE and SFX.

          You are new enough to timeshare that you really have no point of comparision as to how things used to be in RCI. But what amazes me is that your posts always take the position that HOA's are crooks but PCC's and RCI are honest. You actually have that backwards.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Carolinian
            But what amazes me is that your posts always take the position that HOA's are crooks but PCC's and RCI are honest. You actually have that backwards.
            It's not backwards, look at who REALLY is screwing the Tsing community! Its the High and climbing MF's AND the lack of a way out...people are desperate to sell or give away their weeks, they are willing to pay thousands to have it done SPECIFICALLY because of how the HOA/POA/BOD's have screwed them

            Sure PCC's and RCI aren't 100% perfect, but compared to HOA/POA/BOD's, they shine through like gold

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            • #7
              Ride, not sure how long you've been ts'ing, but what you cite is a result of what Caro is talking about -the devaluation of timeshare properties due to the mass rentals.

              Who needs to own when renting is cheap? Why do you think there are so many PCCs? because people need out of their timeshares because others bailed leaving the resorts not much choice but to collect their fees from those who remain. Cheap rentals flooded the market with weeks well below mf. how could a resort sell anything against that???

              RCI screwed the resorts and the owners. Resorts are simply trying to survive by collecting from anyone still around.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BoardGirl View Post
                RCI screwed the resorts and the owners. Resorts are simply trying to survive by collecting from anyone still around.
                Resorts are Screwing the people that are still around, by not offering a way out, they are forcing people to either bail through foreclosure or pay thousands to a PCC, because of this PCC's are thriving and resorts that should have failed and been shut down and sold off a decade ago are still around and mooching money off of hard working owners who either can't afford a PCC or are disgusted with that thought of foreclosure and the HOA/POA/BOD's know this so they hike up the MF's as high as they can get away with, without making ANY improvements to the property or rooms

                If anything, the low rental prices are a result of the HOA/POA/BOD's screwing the owners, with MF's as high as the HOA/POA/BOD can get away with, while not making any improvements they devalue not just the ownerships themselves, but also what people will pay to stay there

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                • #9
                  RCI's Policy Prohibiting Rental/Sale of Deposits/Exchanges - Timeshare Users Group Online Community Forums

                  I know many who have been reprimanded for doing less than is mentioned here. I know people who have been reprimanded just for suggesting they might be willing to do less than is mentioned here.

                  I don't need to know any more than that.

                  But, this was not about that . . . sidetracked and diverted from the OP.
                  RCI Member Since 24-Aug-1989/150-plus Exchanges***THE TIMESHARE GRIM REAPER~~~Exchanging/Searching/SW Florida/MO/AR/IA/Consumer Advocacy/Estate Planning/Sports/Boating/Fishing/Golf/Lake-living/Retirement****Sometimes ya just gotta be a dick

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